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Marmooset

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I think it's interesting that by far the most resistance in this thread is toward the genetically engineered meat. Sure, it's nowhere near perfected now, it is much too expensive to produce on a mass scale, and it is presently inferior to the current product. These same arguments were leveled against the horseless carriage, the TV, the home computer, and the cellphone.

I think the honest motivation for the resistance to this idea is that you are taking a knife out of the people's hands. Trying to take weapons away from a species that likes to use them and know they're being used leads to a lot of berserk blowback. It's human nature.
 

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MovieBob said:
Science!

Hey, science guys, we need you to answer a few questions.

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ok lemme hit those in order

1) the jetpack: you can have it, if i have a choice between a jet pack and genetic alteration, I'm going for the one that dose have my stopping at 711 to fill up. (i'd be going for a draconic styling btw)

2) synthetic meats: good idea, BUT, there's a MASSIVE money issue in the way of that as i see it, not to mention it would destroy the lively hood for a LOT of people, and as much as I'd like to see animal rights people shut the fuck up, I'd rather have them pissing and moaning then put hard working people out of work.

3) Space: >.> call my a blasphemer if you want .... but .... not really into the whole 'space' thing, granted I totally think its important we get up there and start poking around, (maybe find those sparkle dragons Yahtzee was talking about), but I'm really not a not a 'space' person, inter-dimensional travel, i could TOTALLY get behind that.

4) making big things small: do.want. hamster. sized. bear
 

Marmooset

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MrDeckard said:
Aaaaaand this is why I kind of HATE nerds....

Rather than just enjoying the episode, we feel the need to pick apart every single thing he said.
And I now kind of like you. Not that I didn't before. Just a first impression thing.
 

The Great JT

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My question to science is also, "why are we not colonizing other planets so we can get away from the doucheholes?"
 

unlimitedwin

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klasbo said:
Cultured meat: Still more expensive than abusing animals for food. I think that for now, it's more of an economical thing than an ideological thing. But when the economic difference starts to diminish, I think the nonsensical and fanatical ideological part will take over.
Studying science they like to drill the whole 'ethics/morality' thing into your pretty hard.
This sort of bioengineering science is always used as an example case of ethics halting 'progress' for better or worse.

I hear that for many scientists in this field of research, they feel the ethics is the major issue (remember if the people think it's unethical, there will be no funding to continue research)

klasbo said:
Look into Inertial Electrostatic Fusion, as well as Dense Plasma Focus fusion, both of which are based around an a-neutronic p+B11 fuel (ie does not emit neutrons during the fusion process; neutrons are basically useless for energy production). Both of these projects have come closer to fusion than ITER, for a fraction of the cost and and with a fraction of the size (Both reactor types could easily fit in my living room, though the control, fuel and cooling probably couldn't). I can't remember who said it, but it has been said that "The Russians gave us the Tokamak, so that we would never be able to achieve fusion". A Maxwellian particle distribution where a high enough temperature to achieve a nucleon-nucleon distance of 1.3 fermi to get a reaction with 78% loss due to neutron radiation, confined in a separate neutron-absorbing material, confined in a cathedral of supercooled superconducting magnets? Yeah ITER, how's that working out for you?
Cool :D
 

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The answer for those questions is all the same: practicality.

- We have created jetpacks, but they can't be used by average Joe's and are too expensive, even to turn on.
- We have synthesized meat, but its too expensive (and not very tasty) to justify using it instead of cows and chickens.
- We have traveled to space, but we know, once our space travel technology as peaked, we would need 8 years to get to the closest star, and we also know there is nothing interesting (i.e. green chicks) happening several centuries around us.
 

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I'm probably not the first to point this out but you can't have oil on Mars without LIFE being on Mars in the first place, and then that life has to have been completely eradicated by a planet-wide catastrophe like the one that killed the dinosaurs. People will figure it out pretty quickly.

Also, they won't leave expensive equipment behind? On the first moon mission we brought the Lunar Rover, which cost something like 38million dollars. The astronauts left it there (it's still there now) and do you know what they brought back instead? Rocks and dirt.
 

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I know this is just in good fun, but... science is... kind of diametrically opposed to lying. Falsifying data is one of the worst things you can do. Hell, we all make mistakes and get bad data that way perhaps, but lying? No can do, lest we end up like the cdesign proponentsists.
But... But... But... Cities on Mars!
I think telling the morons who run the planet that their finite resource is on Mars in order for us to get there faster is a small price to pay.
Sure Science's integrity will take a hit, but then it'd be on par with religion, but more intelligent.
[image height=200]http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww336/lolbucket_2009/FlameShield.jpg[/IMG]

Okay, okay, I know that was a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist.
 

BgRdMchne

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BgRdMchne said:
trolling post
Yeah we might not have got flying firemen, but you know what we did get: pneumatcs to lift platforms and tools that can pry open metal to pull people out. Vans that can deliver those fire men to where they need to be quickly and pumps that can deliver a thousand times the amout of water to a fire than a bucket chain can. In the case of your phone example, also the ability to communicate the need for help in the first place.

We got stuff a thousand times better than flying firemen. Stuff people back then couldn't have even dreamed off. Why don't you give up this pretense to nhilism you've got and try to look at what is right with the world. If you think the world really is fucked, then what the hell are you doing to help? Maybe your the problem that need a solution.
It's not a pretense. It's been finely honed over decades and decades of caring too much and seeing the poor get shat on repeatedly by the rich; seeing the weak getting abused by the strong.

I try to help. I give my 10% to the homeless, not a church, and it's not enough. I see panhandling made illegal where I live. People are encouraged to give money in drop boxes, so the administrators cut can be taken out and the rest of the money can go to faith based missions that preach more than feed. They claim that the laws that prohibit the indigent from even speaking to passersby will keep them from being drunk and help the "good" ones get back on their feet, but it's just another excuse to make money. Everybody has opposing needs and desires, and I know enough about humanity to know that we are not altruistic enough to be truly kind.

I also don't appreciate being told that I am the problem when I do whatever I can to improve the world the little I can. I also don't appreciate being told that I should be a part of some kind of final solution.
 

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Okay guys, I have actually spent some legitimate time working with fellow researchers to develop the technologies necessary for agriculture in space. If you want help to get us off world, here's what you need to do:

You need to go to these nice people: http://www.ces.uoguelph.ca/
and give them lots of money.
 

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Jetpacks: been explained. They exist already, in various forms. They're just insanely expensive and occasionally really horribly dangerous.

Space: Oh for the... I'm sorry you don't get to ride in the enterprise, but there are more pressing concerns right now. People are not douche nozzles for not wanting to fund your personal wet dream. Maybe they have dreams of having a job again after six months or a year or two years of unemployment. The earthlings of the Star Trek universe live in a Utopia, we don't. It doesn't mean give up all hope, or stop trying to learn more about the universe, but it does mean that when you complain about the rest of the country being unwilling to contribute their nonexistent surplus to something with only a very long-term, indefinite and uncertain benefit, it sounds incredibly childish. Also, suggesting real scientists lie to the public about their findings is not only insulting to the integrity of the scientific community but guaranteed to backfire when the magical moon oil suddenly disappears as quickly as it appeared. Humanity is unlikely to abandon the dream of space travel, or working toward it. We have too many nerds for that. It's just going to take longer, and given that we weren't going to be taking a wormhole jump to Alpha Centauri anytime in the next few hundred years, or quite probably EVER, I'm not really heartbroken that there's no one putting around in orbit right now. We'll get to it, geez. You really wanna make the future happen, invent the replicator and the transporter and figure out how to consistently and controllably move matter or data faster than light. We can do that, space travel will be small beans.

Vat meat: would solve some problems, definitely not all. I mean, the issue with starving people is mostly distribution, not quantity. North Americans probably throw out enough meat (and veggies, and grains etc.) every day to feed a goodly chunk of Africa (do not have exact statistics, not going to look for them.) It does fix the ethical issue. Presupposing FDA approval, I'd be happier to eat vat meat.

Miniature and giant animals: there are miniature cattle, actually. The idea is they make better milk cows because they require less feeding, though of course they provide less meat. And there's miniature ponies and pygmy goats too. And dwarf rabbits. There are lots of domesticated animals with a miniature version, most of them for food reasons and most of which were bred to that size over centuries. Since hamsters are essentially tame vermin and bears are wild animals, we've never had equally complex breeding programs for them. None of the above mini critters were created with SCIENCE!!! in the sense of test tubes and chemicals, just old fashioned animal husbandry, same with dogs.
 

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We totally should do the whole lie about oil on mars bit. People would go for it and having a colony on mars could be extremely useful.

Plus it probably wouldn't turn out to be a lie. There probably was life on mars at one time in the past. And If that life died, was carbon based, and has been under ground for some time now, it should've become oil by now. Or at least it should've become something similar enough to oil by now.

Also, science, where the heck are my giant fighting robots? I know their impractical and a programming nightmare, but you know none of that matters. All cultures in the world have myths about giants, if you build one for the army and strap an m2 abram to the front fear alone will do the rest.
 

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1 - As others have brought up, the jetpack has been built. It's incredibly expensive to build and even more expensive to run. It's also really heavy.

2 - Cultured meat is far more expensive to produce than cattle. Undoubtedly, there will be people that continue to work on this until it isn't. But we're not there yet.

3 - There are a myriad of problems involved in deep-space travel that have nothing to do with capitalism, particularly with MANNED space travel. Most of the universe will kill, even with all the technology we currently have at our disposal. We need to figure out a way to shield astronauts from radiation beyond the Van Allen Belt, we need to have a better system for dealing with all the crap flying around in space that will hit our spaceships and break them, and most importantly, we need to figure out a way to get enough oxygen/food/supplies/fuel into a rocket ship so that astronauts can get there alive and don't just send back a single message of "We're here! Johnson looks delicious, especially when his lips have turned blue from hypoxia."

4 - Okay. Tiny animals would be nice.
 

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As others have pointed out, the main problem with jetpacks is not air traffic, but the issue with the lower half of your spine being burned off by the exhaust.[edit] Also the jetpacks that do exist are more expensive than high end cars.

Also: until we have our oceans explored to the same degree as the moon, there really is no point in going into space.

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In addition to what the poster above me said about space travel there is still the issue with the amount of bone density lost by people in zero gravity.
 

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For those you moderately interested in humanity's future in space, this video explains a great deal as to why we aren't there now, and why we won't be for some time. It's also fun to watch Bill Nye attempt to moderate the nerd rage coming from the other experts.
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We found something better than gold on the moon. We found Helium-3 which would actually make fusion a viable option here on Earth. Fusion would be a good way to fuel all of those spaceships and space things you kept showing. Not to mention break free from any foreign dependence on energy. Also, if the moon were made of gold it would cost more to go up there and mine it than the value of the gold.
 

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BgRdMchne said:
ITT:

Scientists come and give lame excuses for not giving us things that they have been promising us since the 1910s.

We were promised this:





We got this:
Are you saying Jet Packs>Lolcats?

*le gasp!*