Actually I think Jim Caviezel would make an excellent more seasoned Superman.Gorfias said:I want Harrison Ford to play Supes next. We need something for the old timey amongst us.
Actually I think Jim Caviezel would make an excellent more seasoned Superman.Gorfias said:I want Harrison Ford to play Supes next. We need something for the old timey amongst us.
Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?Goliath100 said:Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.
No, you just don't understand the rules. Being opposed to reimagining a white character as non-white is racism, as is reimagining a non-white character as white. Suggesting that one might use other existing untapped PoC characters to tell a story or even create new characters instead of racebending existing ones is definitely racism. Because the point isn't to have more PoC representation but rather to take control of existing franchises. Because the sorts of people who push "diversity" and "inclusivity" generally don't want to create, only control.Naqel said:Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?Goliath100 said:Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.
I was talking in general, in real life. Racist doesn't care if you're of color as long as you can pass as white.Naqel said:Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?
You mean the franchises Marvel had the rights to because literally no studio wanted them because they weren't popular enough/ Yeah, kinda.Samtemdo8 said:Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?
But how can he live up to the cinematic masterpiece that was the Shaq movie?annoyinglizardvoice said:I now really want to see Mr Jordan as Steel.
I think every DCEU movie is better than BvS so...Something Amyss said:My response? I...don't care. I mean, I don't care if Cavill is in or out. I want DC to make good movies, and while Justice League was somewhat of an improvement over BVS,
I think all Superhero movies, both DC and Marvel, have a villain problem of killing off their villains in the first cinematic appearence.webkilla said:Bob's point that DC has a villain problem is a good one - I still cannot for the love of it figoure out why they made the joker like they did in Suicide Squad.
Then again, maybe they just used the same 'logic' that got TLJ's screenplay green - who knows?
Either way its just really weird, because DC keeps cranking out pretty good animated superhero movies. They should nab some writers from those productions for their live action stuff
Yeah, the Hulk was well known. But his film didn't do so well. The MCU's success started with Iron Man, definitely a "2nd stringer", but until Guardians of the Galaxy (more like 3rd stringers) it mostly stayed there (Cap and Thor movies just weren't making Iron Man or team-up movie returns until Civil War - which prominently featured Iron Man).[/quote] It helped that Cap 2 was almost as good as GOTG. After Cap 1 being the worst movie in the whole franchise, it was nice to see them turn it around.Pyrian said:There is a huge audience of people whose only memory of Marvel Comics prior to Rami's Spiderman films is a little show called The Incredible Hulk that pulled gigantic ratings in the 80's.
Getting worried about "reimagining" characters is a hard sell, irrelevant of race issues. If you think a character with 60 years of backstory can fit into a two hour movie, you are always going to be disappointed. Getting too bogged down in ticking off a checklist of characters traits is tedious. Civil War was not anything like what the comics had, but it fit the MCU at the time.Naqel said:Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?Goliath100 said:Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.
Even Suicide Squad? Really?Hawki said:I think every DCEU movie is better than BvS so...Something Amyss said:My response? I...don't care. I mean, I don't care if Cavill is in or out. I want DC to make good movies, and while Justice League was somewhat of an improvement over BVS,
Yes, very much so.Samtemdo8 said:Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?
Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider and quite a few others, as well. Spider-Man and the X-Men are considered top tier, but we didn't just have a Blade trilogy first, we had an Elektra movie before we had Iron Man. Someone looked at that plot and thought "This is marketable."fix-the-spade said:Yes, very much so.Samtemdo8 said:Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?
In fact the reason the MCU even exists as it does is because Marvel had sold off movie rights to The X-Men, Spiderman and The Fantastic 4 prior to the Disney buyout. Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were characters Marvel literally couldn't give away because they were considered second of third tier characters at best. There was an entire Blade trilogy before Iron Man had even been confirmed as happening, it was considered that obscure.
It's even funnier when you consider they tried to replicate that success and make the Inhumans a thing people cared about and failed.It's funny how quickly perception changes, but in 2006 casting the mostly washed up Robert Downey jr to play the lead in a film about a Superhero nobody but comic fans really knew or cared about was a colossal risk for Disney to take. Yet ten years later here we are, the world would rather go and watch Iron Man than Superman. That would have sounded crazy to teenage me.
If nothing else it's a demonstration of the idea that good movies will find an audience.
I've always found this to be a weird defense.Goliath100 said:I was talking in general, in real life. Racist doesn't care if you're of color as long as you can pass as white.Naqel said:Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?
Is this true? I'm not trying to argue because I demand she be black or something, but I legitimately was not interested in the Witcher games and found the one story I read boring as hell. I don't know much about Ciri, and if there's a reason it's difficult, I'm convinced the people I've seen complaining doin't either, because literally the only argument I've seen is that she's Polish. Well, based on Polish culture. And that seems like it'd apply to more than just Ciri specifically.K12 said:I will agree that Ciri seems to be one of the harder characters to change her race and not change her backstory compared to other characters like: the other Witchers or the Sorceresses or some of the dwarf or elf characters.
Didn't people wig out because Starfire, who is an orange alien, was being played by an actress of African descent? (and in post they're going to turn her orange.)Schadrach said:No, you just don't understand the rules. Being opposed to reimagining a white character as non-white is racism, as is reimagining a non-white character as white. Suggesting that one might use other existing untapped PoC characters to tell a story or even create new characters instead of racebending existing ones is definitely racism. Because the point isn't to have more PoC representation but rather to take control of existing franchises. Because the sorts of people who push "diversity" and "inclusivity" generally don't want to create, only control.Naqel said:Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?Goliath100 said:Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.
Hell, drawing a shapeshifting genderless space rock using a too pastel version of their color palette is deserving of threats being directed at you for trying to remove the implicit racial coding of the character design, according to the Steven Universe fandom.
People wigged out because Rue was black in the Hunger Games movie.ace_of_something said:Didn't people wig out because Starfire, who is an orange alien, was being played by an actress of African descent? (and in post they're going to turn her orange.)