The Big Picture: The Numbers

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munsterman

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I've been following Del Toro's attempt to make Mountains of Madness for years. Its a shame really, I've read and seen some of his stuff and the movie would have been wonderful. I hate seeing this thing happen to the guy. Del Toro is the reason I started working with props and movie monster make-up. I just hope some studio somewhere will latch on to the project and let him make it eventually.
 

Blayze2k

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I'm glad I didn't know about the "At the Mountains of Madness" thing until now,
Because I would have been LIFE-CRUSHINGLY disappointed about that not coming out.

I mean, I'm pretty disappointed as it is, and I had never even had a chance to get my hopes up.
 

PortalThinker113

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As sad as I am that the Lovecraft project got canceled, I have to hand it to Mr. Del Toro for refusing to budge on his vision. Far too many projects don't come out the way their directors intended them to because the studio wants to lower the rating or market to their perceived demographic (A reason why I am deathly afraid of the long-rumored God of War movie- that movie would ONLY work if it was rated R, but I know the studio in question will go "Oh, video game movie! Let's get in the teenagers and neuter it to a wide-spanning PG-13!). Mr. Del Toro clearly has a clear goal and idea set for his Lovecraftian dream, and I'm willing to trust that his idea is a proper and good one. I hope the project gets made some day!

As for the topic at hand, the main point of the video was not really a discourse on whether Scott Pilgrim was good or the Expendables was bad. (For me personally, I absolutely loved Scott Pilgrim and saw it twice in theaters, but I had zero interest in The Expendables) The idea that Bob was trying to put out there was that box office numbers have bigger consequences for the film industry as a whole than simply how much profit the makers in question get. The Scott Pilgrim example is one that he simply likes to use a lot since he likes Scott Pilgrim so much, but one could observe this effect in a number of other original, low-grossing films across the industry, and the effect reproduces itself in the worlds of video games, literature, and other such mediums. I think that most of us can agree that the loss of a daring project like the Lovecraft one is sad for both those involved and the movie going public as a whole. It's sad to see how much Universal got burned on all of its ventures into uncharted waters but only made profit with a cookie-cutter fourth car-racing movie. The moral of the story is, in order to get the original and daring stuff out there, audiences have to take chances and try new things. Got some extra money? Go see something new and fresh. Sure, you might not like it 100% of the time, but you're encouraging studios to take chances and push new boundaries, and the film industry will be all the better for it. Sequels and the like have their place, but there's always room for new blood and new stories to tell. Sadly, people in general enjoy spending their money much more on safer things that they know, so this attitude probably won't ever spread on a truly major scale, but every little bit helps. And who knows- sometimes we get stories of brave, original projects becoming box office smashes, like Inception and Black Swan.
 

Frozengale

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That's sad... I tried to get people I knew to go see Scott Pilgrim. I went and saw it twice by myself and took a friend another time. It's sad that maybe because of Scott Pilgrim (my all time favorite, if not Top 5 list favorite movie) we might not be seeing a good Cthulu movie. Though I don't really care much for Cameron or Cruise, Del Toro yes but I couldn't care less if Cameron and Cruise were working on it.
 

Comando96

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People watched TF&F... at the fucking box office?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

o_O

I have watched... one or more of the films... but I was sat at home pissed out of my head... not in a bloody cinema.

Anyone who watches that trash for any reason other than "there was nothing better on TV at 11pm-1am" well THEY SHOULD BE STERILIZED.
 

the Dept of Science

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walsfeo said:
Anachronism said:
Very good video, by the way. Is it just me, or are the ones where he's pissed off at something often the best ones?
Yeah, Bob does his best when he's pissed, or when he has made some great connections other people might not have seen. It's when he gets on the same old soap box or just uses personal preferences as justifications that I quickly lose interest. (Yeah, I tune-in to get Bob's personal preference, but when that's the only content without any other meat I get frustrated.)

In any case his columns seem to be back on track with moviebobish-informative-ranty-goodness.
The Big Picture seems to be a strange beast, in which Bob switches between "man, 80s comic books/games/tv shows can get a little crazy some times!" and "Its a sad truth of the world that sometimes we need to have positive discrimination to counter some of the crueler periods of human history"
 

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Goddamnit, I forgot about that Del Toro making a lovecraft movie thing that was buzzing around. No ONE would be better suited for making that movie a perfect adaptation. Who has the rights to it now? Great Old Ones forbid that universal hires someone else to do the job at a lower rating.
It would need to be full out R. It would need someone whos not afraid to shy away from CGI.

I hate this world.
 

Thick_eyebrow

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teh angR flows tru me > :|
but seriously, good episode but the sad part is that there is nothing we can do about this
 

Inuprince

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Abandon4093 said:
Putting a film like Scot Pilgrim out as a summer blockbuster wasn't only an ill-advised move. It was downright stupid.

There is such a thing as having our cake and eating it too. I mean, what's the point in having a cake if no one's going to eat it?

"Maybe you can hide in one if you are a stripper. Sorry lost my train of thought..."
 

boag

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hold the freaking Phone, Mountains of Madness is Canned?

Ill check with the source because this sounds like BS.
 

PortalThinker113

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BrownGaijin said:
Not to get off subject, but I wonder if Waverly Theater could do for Scott Pilgrim what it did for this little flop:


OT: Moral of the story, "Profits talk".
...the idea of a midnight, regular showing of Scott Pilgrim where everyone gets together, dresses up, and expresses their love of the movie via choreographed actions and hilarious traditions...

MAKE.
THIS.
HAPPEN.
SOON.
=D
 

pepitko

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That is a very good point, you've got there Bob. It's very sad to see a good movie fail at the box office and it's downright tragic to see a very bad one succeed, like ehm Transformers.
 

keitarobg

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dont wanna sound like a jerk, but thanks, captain obvious, mr Bob. this is well-know among everybody, but thanks for making a whole episode clearing it up. stuff that doesnt sell doesnt get made is not exactly a new concept.
 

ReiverCorrupter

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LawlessSquirrel said:
Depressing. This is probably as pure an example as there is of capitalism simply not working.

EDIT: I'll rephrase, since people are quite legitimately countering me on this. It's an example of capitalism doing more harm than good. It is working, but it's working against it's intention.
Capitalism doesn't have any intention except to make money for investors. It isn't meant to promote art or good things. In fact, Laissez-fair capitalism will always lead to monopolies and economic tyranny if left unchecked. It's just the best system because the economy is too complicated to be run by the government.
 

SlugLady28

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The truth hurts. Great googily moogily, does it hurt.

When i say box office doesn't matter, i mean that it doesn't matter how GOOD something is. Unfortunately, you're completely right Bob. Now if only i can get my family to listen to me when i say "wait for it on PPV"
 

tautologico

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sheogoraththemad said:
they were making a lovecraft movie! and the pan's labyrinth guy was going to make it! and now they FUCKING CANCELLED IT!!
Not only that, but this was Del Toro's dream movie. Also, people who had read the script (or treatment or whatever) supposedly said it was amazing. So yeah, hurray.
 

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PortalThinker113 said:
[quote="BrownGaijin"
...the idea of a midnight, regular showing of Scott Pilgrim where everyone gets together, dresses up, and expresses their love of the movie via choreographed actions and hilarious traditions...

MAKE.
THIS.
HAPPEN.
SOON.
=D
A Facebook page encouraging people to get their local theaters to do this could potentially help. Scott Pilgrim certainly has the fan base potential for something like this to happen.

On the opposite end of the money, I'd love to see every midnight of May 4th to the 9th to have theaters showing the Star Wars trilogy.