Hey bob, thanks of bringing back all the rage that I had when I first heard that it was canned. That probably ruined my day. Good ep though
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ugh depressing.....one a good note thou.
Del Torro has has proven his integrity by saying fuck-you to the PG13 dumbing down and censorship of his dream project. we solute you sir. Hopefully he'll get picked up by someone for this.
Del Torro has has proven his integrity by saying fuck-you to the PG13 dumbing down and censorship of his dream project. we solute you sir. Hopefully he'll get picked up by someone for this.
I just saw the Scott Pilgrim movie this weekend, half of it anyway, and it was a nice movie. Not amazing, not revolutionary, not one I need to own for my collection. It was fun when it needed to be, and painful where it had to be, but it it had been successful it would have spawned so many painful knockoffs that over-used video game tropes I'm relieved it wasn't too successful. Or at least I was until I learned it might have contributed to the cancellation of the Mountains of Madness.
Expendables was definitely guilty of this as well, though in the case of that movie we as an audience weren't supposed to be invested in an emotional journey of self discovery. Expendables was like the McDonald's of the cinematic world - it was a cheap, junky, quick way to satisfy an otherwise unscratched itch: big dumb action film.ArBeater said:
Scott Pilgrim had grand designs, big themes, and a message at its heart, but it bungled the execution. The characters were all defined by a single trait which only later on may have found a second foil to give the illusion of dimension. Scott never rose to a level where I would expect anyone to be friends with him, let alone love him. The entire final scene in the night club was a confusing mess of motives, conclusions, and ideas that never fully gelled into the meaningful whole that it was clearly striving for. Scott Pilgrim was a noble failure, and I wish it had been more, because I think the visual talent clearly on display was worth being seen. However, storywise and characterwise, it never rose to meet those expectations.
It was so consumed with doing things with originality and newness that it never took the time to perfect the older arts of concise, meaningful story.
I agree with this fine man. Scott Pilgrim was crap and would be unwatchable if not for the "references". It's not as great as people in fora seem to make it be and I was fooled into watching it, influenced by all this hype. No wonder noone went to see it. Who wants to pay money to watch shit? Conversely, I actually enjoyed the Expendables, despite the criticisms.MacNille said:
I agree. The best movies are produced by anti-Capitalist countries like USSR, Cuba, China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya, et al.LawlessSquirrel said:
Now, if we only had some sort of endowment on a national scale that could fund art like "Scott Pilgrim" and Lovecraft that would free selfless artists like Del Toro and Cameron from oppressive Capitalist pig studios and let them make whatever films they want on the taxpayer's back.
Actually Capitalism works perfectly when it is allowed to work. In this case, people WANT "The Expendables", people WANT "Fast & Furious 4/5/6". If people didn't want to watch crap, they wouldn't voluntarily give their money to watch crap.
Who's fault that the Lovecraft movie didn't get made? IT'S YOUR FAULT! YOU! It's your fault! You didn't watch the movie in the theater enough. You didn't encourage your friends (Facebook and real-life) and family to watch it in the theater. If you had voluntarily paid more money to watch quality movies, your Lovecraft movie would have been made.
Maybe it was just bad timing for Universal. The LOTR series was definitely a niche product but it turned out that everyone loves (or had seen) LOTR. Maybe if Universal had a more diversified portfolio between highly profitable crap and made niche art films as their loss-leader, they might have made the Lovecraft movie.
Or maybe Kim Jong Il will finance the Lovecraft movie, since "capitalism sucks".
okay bob, even though I respect your opinion and love your work
every time you go and talk about the Expendables I genuinely want to slap you until you shut up
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but since your insulting Expendables review, I'm more careful of watching your stuff
other than that
yes, money moves the world and it's a shame that Del Toro's project didn't fly, he's the kind of director that would've made stuff like that properly
every time you go and talk about the Expendables I genuinely want to slap you until you shut up
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but since your insulting Expendables review, I'm more careful of watching your stuff
other than that
yes, money moves the world and it's a shame that Del Toro's project didn't fly, he's the kind of director that would've made stuff like that properly
this is the problem when old people run the world.
if i movie makes tons of money in dvd-sales it doesn't matter because the important numbers are the ones at the box office. And in between a movie failing at the box office and making everybody involved rich through dvd-sales good stuff gets canned.
i can not eat enough to do all the puking i want to do.
if i movie makes tons of money in dvd-sales it doesn't matter because the important numbers are the ones at the box office. And in between a movie failing at the box office and making everybody involved rich through dvd-sales good stuff gets canned.
i can not eat enough to do all the puking i want to do.
I hope that HP movie gets made, I really wanna see a horror movie based on his works, the comics and stories alone give me nightmares.
As an R-rated, money making movie you would think that people would use The Expendables as a reason to make At the Mountain of Madness. Scott Pilgrim was a PG-13 kiddy-love-story. Its success would have in no way aided the creation of Mountains of Madness, save to give the production company extra money. From a standpoint of audience and market, Expendables seems to me to be absolute proof that R-rated entertainment can make money.kickyourass said:
Anyone who has or had to deal with the public for their job are taught one important life lesson:
The public are fucking stupid.
You also get the same results reading You Tube comments.
The public are fucking stupid.
You also get the same results reading You Tube comments.
I might be alone in this, but Guillermo del Toro is not a good director.
He's not necessarily bad, but he lacks a great deal of compitence. Visually, his movies are terrific, but when it comes to pacing, directing the actors, and story, his movies just plain suck.
And I hope you didn't use The Wolfman as a positive example, because that movie was the most ghastly piece of shit I've seen in years.
He's not necessarily bad, but he lacks a great deal of compitence. Visually, his movies are terrific, but when it comes to pacing, directing the actors, and story, his movies just plain suck.
And I hope you didn't use The Wolfman as a positive example, because that movie was the most ghastly piece of shit I've seen in years.
While I agree that SP was a fun movie that I enjoyed going to it was not going to have a broad appeal. People who went to the expendables instead were not likely to go to it.
Your overall thesis is true however. Vote with your dollar folks. That is how it works in our version of capitalism.
Your overall thesis is true however. Vote with your dollar folks. That is how it works in our version of capitalism.
Goddamn it.
Look Bob, I'll admit I HATED the premise of Scott Pilgrim before I saw the film; it sounded like the shitty fan-fiction I'd write in high school when the cute girl I bent over backwards to help with her homework would date the douchebag jock who paid her no mind. But then I saw the movie and fell in love with it. I played the game, I bought the books, and all was good.
But...I DON'T go around whining to people how underrated it was, how it was a cinematic masterpiece unfairly tossed aside. I like it. That's all that matters. You're starting to sound like those uppity Power Rangers fans who want an R-rated movie with blood and sex so they can turn around and show it to the people who made fun of them for liking a kids' show and say, "LOOK POWER RANGERS IS SERIOUS!!!"
I also find it hilarious that movies Bob bashes on Fridays usually make a decent amount of box office (Pirates 4) while the ones he champions tend to get brushed aside.
I'm also surprised he didn't use this opportunity to take a shot at Michael Bay or Transformers again.
Look Bob, I'll admit I HATED the premise of Scott Pilgrim before I saw the film; it sounded like the shitty fan-fiction I'd write in high school when the cute girl I bent over backwards to help with her homework would date the douchebag jock who paid her no mind. But then I saw the movie and fell in love with it. I played the game, I bought the books, and all was good.
But...I DON'T go around whining to people how underrated it was, how it was a cinematic masterpiece unfairly tossed aside. I like it. That's all that matters. You're starting to sound like those uppity Power Rangers fans who want an R-rated movie with blood and sex so they can turn around and show it to the people who made fun of them for liking a kids' show and say, "LOOK POWER RANGERS IS SERIOUS!!!"
I also find it hilarious that movies Bob bashes on Fridays usually make a decent amount of box office (Pirates 4) while the ones he champions tend to get brushed aside.
I'm also surprised he didn't use this opportunity to take a shot at Michael Bay or Transformers again.
Even though I enjoy most of your stuff Bob, I'm getting a little tired of all of this hate on The Expendables and blaming it on the failures of Scott Pilgrim and other geek friendly movies. This might just be me, but I didn't see one advertisement for Scott Pilgrim til the week and it left my area after two weeks because it made no money. So maybe lack of advertising and the fact that I only thought Scott Pilgrim was 'okay' leads to find this whole episode annoying.
I will sit on the fence on this one. While some movies make anohter one that is bad. Sometimes it takes the make a good film and then just put it on DVD and not on the big screen. So the point i would make is why even do the box office thing any more. DVD and direct download are now more in use than the move box office. Plus I do not have to have some kids makeing out. Just my $.02 but meh.
I didn't like Scott Pilgrim. There, I said it, but I didn't like Scott Pilgrim. Sure, when I first saw it, I was all like "COOL! THIS IS AWESOME! I LOVE IT! GAMER REFERENCES YAY!!" but upon rewatch in the cold light of day, I just didn't like it. A lot of it's problems for me can probably be traced right back to Micheal Cera, because I liked a lot of it.
This is a sad thing, really. I think Scott Pilgrim could have made a lot of money... if Micheal Cera wasn't playing the lead. The audience has spoken, and Micheal Cera is NOT the face of my generation, like the studios wanted him to be. It's sad Del Torro isn't getting his Lovecraftian horror flick made, but some other studio with less to lose will most likely try to put it into play. We haven't heard the last of this just yet.
This is a sad thing, really. I think Scott Pilgrim could have made a lot of money... if Micheal Cera wasn't playing the lead. The audience has spoken, and Micheal Cera is NOT the face of my generation, like the studios wanted him to be. It's sad Del Torro isn't getting his Lovecraftian horror flick made, but some other studio with less to lose will most likely try to put it into play. We haven't heard the last of this just yet.