Thunderous Cacophony said:
I think Bob both hit and missed with his explanation. Movies with multiple villains work when they have an established hierarchy; Gruber and his henchmen, Bond villains, etc. Even Batman Begins had a secret organization, with each villain having his strings pulled by another.
The problem comes in when you're dealing with multiple established characters, each with sizable backstories and fanbases. Admittedly, yes, Batman Begins did it (though I think it's a stretch to count that as four developed characters), but that exists as a singular example.
The point remains that the reason it's common logic that too many villains spoil comic book movies is because we have a pretty solid history with just that. And honestly, given Bob's hatred of ASM that's already seeping into this movie, I think it's weird to start with this movie as a jumping off point for how it can be done. That would be like me using whatever the next Adam Sandler movie is to demonstrate how one could make an intelligent, sophisticated buddy comedy.
I'm not saying ASM2 can't do it. I just don't think it's likely they will, in part because of all the other movies that have dropped the ball. And unlike Bob and a lot of the critics, I enjoyed ASM, so I hope I'm wrong.
In any event, at least it's not a Raimi movie (though the one thing I liked about Raimu's movies is his build towards the Sinister Six was slower. This time they're gonna get it in before the reboot if it kills them). and that's probably enough for me to enjoy it.
C.S.Strowbridge said:
However, if they don't spend enough time on each villain, it won't make sense when they team up.
I don't know if that's the case. Like you said, Rhino doesn't have much to carry a movie with. But one defeat onscreen, you establish him as muscle with no brains who has a mad-on for Spidey and he's perfect for the S6 purposes. I can't really think of a better way to use him.
Then again, I probably wouldn't. I'd likely steer clear of Vulture, too. Except Adrian's inventor side would probably be more useful for both a full movie AND the team-up. Maybe a little redundant with two Osborns, Doc Ock, a mystery benefactor and apparenlty Electro is a genius in this version, so...
Raesvelg said:
There's a certain irony here for me given that the Rhino really was just some thug in someone else's super-suit. I can understand the trepidation towards the Vulture/Doc Ock reveal though.
Well, yeah. It's more the other guys that's the problem.
Then again, the Spectacular Spider-Man series did similar and didn't suck.
Then again, like the bad example of the Power Rangers, it had far more time to work with the characters in question.
Then again...Wait, what was I saying?
I suppose part of my distaste for the Raimi films came in how they absolutely missed the point in almost all of the villains they featured, but that's just me I suppose.
And the titular hero. Garfield's Spidey may have Twilight hair, but at least he acts sort of like Spidey on occasion.
xaszatm said:
He is still biased against the movie, but he says that the notion of ASM2 being bad because of its many villains is a weak argument at best.
Most of the people complaining about it already had complaints against the movie. I don't think anyone, myself included, is outright saying it'll be bad solely because of this. If you're to be considered accurate, Bob's answering specifically a complaint nobody's making.
If you didn't like the first one, this seems to be a bonus reason to hate it. If you did enjoy the first, this is a reason for concern, not an outright declaration of shit.
Quiotu said:
I'm just posting here to admit I'm not even watching this one. MovieBob can argue and rant all he wants to about the Spiderman series, but he's so blatantly biased about the movies that I can't take anything he says at face value.
MovieBob, I love most of your work, but I cannot take your opinions on Spiderman seriously. Even if you're right in this case, you've been wrong enough that I'm gonna just ignore your takes on this specific IP. Sorry.
Honestly, I thought the face value here was that this was Bob's soapbox.
I may not agree with him, but I don't get why someone would expect something else coming into The Big Picture.