Revolutionaryloser said:
minuialear said:
Translating what I said and thereby sucking all fun out of life, maybe women like wearing nice clothes and being sexy and neither of those things are the problem the film is trying to address and women should be free to wear nice clothes and be sexy if that's what they want.
I'm well aware that it's possible that a woman would like to be sexy without wanting to be so because guys like sexy women (and for the third time, in a different movie, I could buy the argument that they continue to wear the skimpy outfits in the fantasy world in order to reclaim that sexuality). However, Sucker Punch does not convey that message effectively (if at all). What part of those fantasy scenes indicates any forethought other than "Hey, this looks cool; let's have them do this because it's what I think is cool!" ? Also keep in mind who wrote/directed/produced this film, and what he is known for doing (e.g., sucking the meaning out of other works he's adapted to make them look cool and edgy). The combination doesn't paint a pretty picture for the argument that he actually thought about having them reclaim their sexuality through skimpy outfits in sci-fi/fantasy worlds stylized in ways we've already seen in some of Snyder's previous work. And even if we assume that he really did mean for that to be in the film...it still doesn't come off as being that intelligent. At all.
Also, I'd love it if somebody one day pointed out where in that film is there a fanservice moment provided that the person knows what fanservice means.
Unfortunately I don't have Youtube access so I can't do that at present...will try to remember to do so at a later point.
EDIT: Actually, this article explains it pretty concisely: http://missmediajunkie.blogspot.com/2011/04/so-sucker-punch.html
Ignoring the part of them being scantily clad (even though I disagree that it's the case, I'll allow for the purpose of this discussion that maybe the lack of clothing is supposed to actually be an empowering thing); I'd say the most astute commentary indicating fanservice is:
female characters who are all of age but visually read as adolescents. Hence the fetish costuming, the sickly-sweet nicknames, and the fantasy sequences full of common video game tropes. A period heroine like Baby Doll would have no frame of reference for an inner fantasy world full of seedy bordellos, killer robots, and samurai warriors. Instead, if I had to guess, the inside of her head would probably look more like Tim Burton's "Alice in Wonderland," a film with a far more female-friendly fantasy aesthetic that much of the target audience of "Sucker Punch" reviled on principle.
The fanservice is in the fetish adolescent look (Babydoll's supposed to be 20, let's not forget), the video game tropes and imagery in the fantasy scenes (though you could argue they're there just as much for Snyder's enjoyment as they're there for the audience), and the fact that the characters, as crafted in the film, would have absolutely no motivation to be dreaming about samurai with guns or robot armies, and therefore it's incredibly hard to seriously argue that those scenes are anything but Snyder either showing an (possibly assumed male) audience things they'll find super-cool, or showing the audience things that he finds super-cool.