The Blades are idiots (MASSIVE Skyrim main quest spoilers)
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P. pretty much tells you that he's got a lot of taking over to do. One reason P. didn't take over is because he knew Alduin was trapped in time, not dead or defeated. Dragons are the children of the god of time; so 'eventually the big bad overlord will return' is enough for said overlord to keep his power.Kopikatsu said:
He helped the three heroes figure out Dragonrend, but Dragonrend can't be used by a dragon; the three words are antithetical to the essence of the dragon. But Paarthunax's motives are not benevolent, nor malevolent; they just happen to coincide with the Dovahkiin's.
As unfortunate as it is, if one is playing a 'corrupted' empire playthrough (I.E. one wherein their character is directly manipulating the outcome of the empire's reign over, killing a certain significant figure, working through the blades, establishing a 'secure' comfort over skyrim allowing a false sense of security for said corrupt PC to thief and murder their way through, like my first PC) the Blades are a PERFECT choice.
It's those inconsistent shades of grey that result in players like myself being unsure of who to support. I STILL haven't finished New Vegas because there is 'literally' no one I feel comfortable backing entirely. The legion supports a blind faith to their cause, the NCR is an almost military state functioning, Mr. House is an arrogant dick and the independent approach ends up making me feel like if my character isn't a genius or an idealist, they're not fit to run vegas.
For non-roleplayers, a faction system like new vegas is more ideal, because it lets the player make a toss of the coin as to how they'll handle the story. For Skyrim though, it definetly makes them feel more 'constricted' whereas roleplayers can set up a branching layout for how they wish to have the state of Skyrim unfold.
And let me tell you, playing a Khajit who's sort of pulling the empire's strings (in a non-obvious way) makes for a lot of fun.
It's those inconsistent shades of grey that result in players like myself being unsure of who to support. I STILL haven't finished New Vegas because there is 'literally' no one I feel comfortable backing entirely. The legion supports a blind faith to their cause, the NCR is an almost military state functioning, Mr. House is an arrogant dick and the independent approach ends up making me feel like if my character isn't a genius or an idealist, they're not fit to run vegas.
For non-roleplayers, a faction system like new vegas is more ideal, because it lets the player make a toss of the coin as to how they'll handle the story. For Skyrim though, it definetly makes them feel more 'constricted' whereas roleplayers can set up a branching layout for how they wish to have the state of Skyrim unfold.
And let me tell you, playing a Khajit who's sort of pulling the empire's strings (in a non-obvious way) makes for a lot of fun.
yes, you have to the option of talking to paarthurnax and getting help from him instead. In fact, before I even read this topic, I didn't know you COULDN'T only help paarthurnax. Paarthurnax is cool, he's like a bro to the dovakhiin. I guess you could say he is a... BROvakhiin?suitepee7 said:
Honestly, it took me a few seconds to remember who the blades are. And now I realized that I left them in that crypt with Alduin's wall and went on to learn Dragonrend and defeat Alduin. I'm gonna have to pay them a visit... and promptly cut them up when they offer to kill P.
Ulfric was selected to become a Greybeard (and received years of training), but didn't like how "disconnected" they were from Skyrim's troubles, so he left them to fight in the great war when it happened.Kopikatsu said:
OT: DAMN YOU! The warning and spoiler box were not enough..
Still, it sounds like the main quest gets more interesting later, so I may actually start up on it again. It might be the first TES main quest I ever complete...
In response to the fact that the dovakhiin has a dragon soul. With the Blades "serving" the dragonborn, it may just be a cover to make sure that he doesn't go mad with power and if he starts to they are right behind him/her to put a sword in his/her back. They just know that the only way to kill a dragon is using the dragonborn to absorb the soul so they may just be using him as a tool and Delphine was just a little too forward about it.
I just blanked it and continued asking him for help to further the quest.....and he tells you. lol.
But... that old dragon is one of my favorite characters in the game. Why on earth would I trust the retards who didn't do anything useful for the last 200 years, or the old chaps who didn't get out of their castle since they were 12? I didn't even hesitate when I had to choose between Paarthurnax, Arngeir and The Blades.
They didn't think things through indeed. Only reason humans beat alduins dragon cult in the first place was because Parth sided with humans and taught them how to use shouts.
So only reason Alduin isn't still ruling everyone is Parth and those morons want us to kill him. Great job.
So only reason Alduin isn't still ruling everyone is Parth and those morons want us to kill him. Great job.
Spoiler tags everywhere in this topic, so may as well follow suit:
The Blades' request to kill Parrthurnax (or however you spell it) seems to be motivated by three key issues:
Justice
Regardless of the fact Parrthurnax defected from Alduin the first time and was instrumental to his defeat in Skyrim, the Blades (probably) do have a point here. Parrthurnax (is said to have) committed countless atrocities before he changed sides, some of which have not been forgotten (and may never be). Perhaps Parrthurnax has atoned for this by being instrumental in Alduin's defeat, perhaps not... or was it even atonement at all?
You can NEVER trust a dovah [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MasterRace]
As said by Parrthurnax himself (if questioned about the Blades' request to kill him), all dragons have an inherent desire to dominate and rule... including the Dragonborn. He says he has managed to go against his instincts through centuries (if not millenia) of meditation, but not a single day goes by without being tempted; he's done well to keep it up for so long, but it's something which will probably never go away. Nevertheless, he even says it's wise to never trust a dovah for this reason; though he does declare you can trust him, which makes for a curious predicament. There's also the implication that he used the Dragonborn to remove Alduin so that he could take over, and whether it was for a noble or selfish reasons; and if it's the former, will he succumb to the later?
Paranoia [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid]
The two surviving members of the Blades call themselves paranoid (or at least Delphine does), and it's for good reason; the Thalmor have been hunting them for almost three decades, something which would make anyone paranoid. This means they're quick to jump to conclusions, particularly when distrusting people; they've been that way because they had to be in order to survive. They distrust Parrthurnax because he's a dragon, and it's wise to distrust any dovah as a matter of principle. With the implication that he could either become a dangerous enemy to all with his newfound position as leader of the dovah after Alduin's defeat, or that he was always working towards that.... well, there's plenty of reason for their distrust. As for why they've asked the Dragonborn to kill him, that's fairly obvious; only a Dragonborn can kill a dragon and make it stay dead.
So yes, the Blades have their reasons. I don't really agree with them, nor am I going to comply with their demands (not until it proves to be justified, if ever at all). But their seemingly outrageous demand does make (some) sense.
Justice
Regardless of the fact Parrthurnax defected from Alduin the first time and was instrumental to his defeat in Skyrim, the Blades (probably) do have a point here. Parrthurnax (is said to have) committed countless atrocities before he changed sides, some of which have not been forgotten (and may never be). Perhaps Parrthurnax has atoned for this by being instrumental in Alduin's defeat, perhaps not... or was it even atonement at all?
You can NEVER trust a dovah [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MasterRace]
As said by Parrthurnax himself (if questioned about the Blades' request to kill him), all dragons have an inherent desire to dominate and rule... including the Dragonborn. He says he has managed to go against his instincts through centuries (if not millenia) of meditation, but not a single day goes by without being tempted; he's done well to keep it up for so long, but it's something which will probably never go away. Nevertheless, he even says it's wise to never trust a dovah for this reason; though he does declare you can trust him, which makes for a curious predicament. There's also the implication that he used the Dragonborn to remove Alduin so that he could take over, and whether it was for a noble or selfish reasons; and if it's the former, will he succumb to the later?
Paranoia [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid]
The two surviving members of the Blades call themselves paranoid (or at least Delphine does), and it's for good reason; the Thalmor have been hunting them for almost three decades, something which would make anyone paranoid. This means they're quick to jump to conclusions, particularly when distrusting people; they've been that way because they had to be in order to survive. They distrust Parrthurnax because he's a dragon, and it's wise to distrust any dovah as a matter of principle. With the implication that he could either become a dangerous enemy to all with his newfound position as leader of the dovah after Alduin's defeat, or that he was always working towards that.... well, there's plenty of reason for their distrust. As for why they've asked the Dragonborn to kill him, that's fairly obvious; only a Dragonborn can kill a dragon and make it stay dead.
So yes, the Blades have their reasons. I don't really agree with them, nor am I going to comply with their demands (not until it proves to be justified, if ever at all). But their seemingly outrageous demand does make (some) sense.
I dunno...on the one hand, it's annoying that you can't talk your way out of it, but on the other hand, it's kind of realistic that there are groups whose agendas are simply 100% incompatible.MiracleOfSound said:
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Then again, riffing on the idea of "dragons just want power"...who was the last Dragonborn everyone's talking about? Tiber Septim -- the guy who conquered all of Tamriel with a Dwemer robot and crowned himself emperor! Sounds pretty power-hungry to me. So if the Blades are really set on serving the Dragonborn, then they'll probably assume that said Dragonborn will realize his/her power-hungry nature sooner or later, and thus the best way to serve him is to wipe out all competition, and every dragon is a potential challenger to the Dragonborn.
Would have told them to go to Oblivion but bugs prevented that. So I just left them there and saved the world without them.
They're asking you to pick between them (two useless members of a dying organization) and a friendly dragon. They're digging their own grave, honestly.
They're asking you to pick between them (two useless members of a dying organization) and a friendly dragon. They're digging their own grave, honestly.
Here's how I look at it, the blades are entirely composed of two members left:
A crazy old man obsessed with dragons who lived in a sewer with fort Knox like Security.
And some bimbo.
I actually didn't know what they wanted because Parthunax was my bro, and sorta two feet away when they told me to go to one or the other.
A crazy old man obsessed with dragons who lived in a sewer with fort Knox like Security.
And some bimbo.
I actually didn't know what they wanted because Parthunax was my bro, and sorta two feet away when they told me to go to one or the other.