The British Accent - A lesson on ignorance.

[Flig]

Kay, to give myself some point of reference for this "mummerset," I'm going to ask those who are familiar with TomSka on Youtube, would Bing's accent be this mysterious "mummerset?"

 

[Cmwissy]

Then what does the phrase "countries within a country"--which the title of the webpage and the heading of the section I quoted--refer to?

Probably refers to the media once more being retarded. - You do realize the actual Prime-minister doesn't write this?

Well there you go--when people say "British accent" or they refer to someone as "British" or talk about the country of Britain, it's common usage! It's not ignorant--it's common.

And this thread was to educate on the shortcomings on the common - ta-da!

First, that's hyperbole; second, you've got a better chance of being lit on fire if you refer to the Six Counties as "the country of Northern Ireland" like you are in the wrong Catholic neighborhood, so what's your point?

Not good at sarcasm are you?

The definitions snipped

Those are the Definitions of 'state' not 'sovereign state'; The closest thing we have to your states are our counties and shires.

Sovereign state =/= state.

"Great Britain describes the landmass that consists of two countries, England and Scotland and the Principality of Wales."

Yes - it does contain two countries and the principality of wales; It is not a country itself though.

Many apologies for sometimes using the UK and Britain interchangeably - I use them both as the same for Americas benefit.

You keep arguing there are four countries in the UK, which mean three on the island of GB, and your source--a Wiki answer, so not much of a 'source' to begin with: you could have wrote that for all we know--says there are two.

I use the term UK and GB interchangeably some times to avoid confusion.

And no, I did not write it; don't be so petty.

HOW DO I KNOW YOU DIDN'T WRITE THE DEFINITIONS!

Do you see the problem with throwing around the word 'ignorant' to describe people who disagree with you? Your own sources disagree with you!

Well, I would now use the word 'misinformed'



This is not a subjective debatable thing.

Scotland is a country within the Sovereign union-ship of the UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland

England is a country within the Sovereign union-ship of the UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England

Wales is a country within the Sovereign union-ship of the UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales

Northern Ireland is a country within the Sovereign union-ship of the UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland


The United Kingdom is a Sovereign state which includes these countries.

'Sovereignty is the exclusive right to exercise, within a specific territory, the functions of a Nation-state and be answerable to no higher authority'



Did I once in the original post be threatening? - I thought it was more of a joke thread than anything; I'm hardly going to force people to learn different countries accents....

 

[Kinguendo]

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Ah a "blue leather scottish passport holder"... but not the actual passport.

Well - I dug out the original one and now It's just that ;(

Also, yes it is a Sovereign State... I am glad you finally agree with me.

I never disagreed - although sovereign state =/= country.

This is getting tiresome... So I shall hopefully end it with this.

Would you like to know of some other sovereign states?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

 

[Cmwissy]

I'd say the Prime Minister's Office is a pretty good source too.

No.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

Yes - those are all Sovereign states.

 

[Cmwissy]

Doublepostfail.

 

[Cmwissy]

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Fuck, you really get offended by the word 'ignorant' easily don't you?

Please - refer to my last post; the one without the flaws.

You do realize that is a government web page, not "the media"? The official site of the Prime Minister's Office

The Prime minister has to bring order, power and unity - not truth.

our states have MORE power that your 'countries' let alone are they equivalent to your 'counties and shires'

AMEWIKUH, FUK YEAH!

 

[Cmwissy]

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Fuck, you really get offended by the word 'ignorant' easily don't you?

Please - refer to my last post; the one without the flaws.

We can resolve this with one question: is Britain a nation?

Yes.

 

[Jake the Snake]

As an American (where we seriously have a ridiculous amount of accents here) i can kind of get what you're trying to accomplish here. If you took someone from Minnesota and someone from say Brooklyn New York you'd immediately see the difference. Minnesotans have long Os and People from brooklyn have that whole italian-esc thing going on. Yet even if you had a business man from northern california and some hick from louisianna, you'd still identify it as an American Accent. So...am i going to keep calling accents from the UK british or english...yeah. Sorry. Its just easier.

 

[Kinguendo]

I'd say the Prime Minister's Office is a pretty good source too.

No.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

Yes - those are all Sovereign states.

So are you saying Afghanistan isnt a country? Japan? USA?

The fact of the matter is that state and country are interchangable.

 

[Cmwissy]

Well there you go: when people say "British" they are referring to someone's NATIONALITY.

Look at the original post (before it got derailed)

There is allot of the UK - it would be foolish to sum up every accent like that.

 

[Cmwissy]

I'd say the Prime Minister's Office is a pretty good source too.

No.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

Yes - those are all Sovereign states.

So are you saying Afghanistan isnt a country? Japan? USA?

The fact of the matter is that state and country are interchangable.

Nope, Afghanistan, Japan and the USA aren't countries - they have however been publicly accepted as them over time.

We haven't got there yet.

Plus the fact of the matter is - Scotland is a country, while Illinois, Is not.

 

[Cmwissy]

As an American (where we seriously have a ridiculous amount of accents here) i can kind of get what you're trying to accomplish here. If you took someone from Minnesota and someone from say Brooklyn New York you'd immediately see the difference. Minnesotans have long Os and People from brooklyn have that whole italian-esc thing going on. Yet even if you had a business man from northern california and some hick from louisianna, you'd still identify it as an American Accent. So...am i going to keep calling accents from the UK british or english...yeah. Sorry. Its just easier.

And what about Scottish, Irish or Welsh people?

Are they all English?

 

[TimbukTurnip]

I live in Surrey so i have that whole Barf (bath) and Carstle (castle) thing going on. But i am also near to a lot of chavs who's speech is hard to understand. Out of interest, does the chav voice count as another accent?

OT:It is indeed annoying to have just the different country accents, let alone the regional ones, generalised into 'British Accent'.
If i hear someone from New York speak and someone from Texas speak, i dont generalise them uner 'American Accent', i would split them to North East and Southern American.

 

[Cmwissy]

It's a bit rich, isn't it, to talk about the thread being 'derailed' when you were the one responsible for it, who started insulting people over disagreeing with you on the issues brought up in the derail until you realized you were wrong and that you were basically saying nationality has nothing to do with what nation you come from?

I did not say that - because Scottish, English and Welsh are nationalities and they come before British.

That's why in Police, Medical and Emergency situations, you don't answer 'British'

And I did not fucking derail it; It does take at-least two people to have a conversation; aren't you perfect; I'll be sure to polish those bollocks before getting you your soup.

That's the thing: no one is 'summing up' when they say 'British' accent. Everyone gets at least the difference between these two:

Are any of those people Scottish, Irish or Welsh?

Yes, you are 'summing' it up; and you're summing it up as English

Have you not noticed this? of-course you haven't, My American Time-lord.