The Changing Face of Journalism: How We Will Meet the Challenge

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Thanks a lot for the article, it was a pleasure to read :)

My philosophy has always been that there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle, once all personal biases are removed.
I mostly agree with this, a good reporter takes into account all the valid arguments and presents a synthesis of thesis and antithesis. They present the facts and let people make up their own minds, something that I've dearly missed during the #gamergate controversy. That doesn't mean that a journalist cannot present his own view but he should do so after the facts have been duly presented.

I am a lurker more than anything, but when I do participate, I believe in the golden rule. You treat people the way you want to be treated and be respectful.
This, so much this!
 

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Ronack mirrors my thoughts on the matter.

I wouldn't say I'm upset. It's more like slight disappointment. But at this point, I'm happy for what I get in this whole fiasco.
I mirror the sentiment, don't get me wrong. I am disappointed that there's no coverage of it all.

I just think I understand where it's coming from, so I can accept it.
 

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@John Keefer

I admire your stance. Though I'd prefer a condemnation of their actions (Sex is worth a lot more than a T-shirt I bet), I can't gripe at you not wanting to talk bad about your colleagues. However, if we do not hold the writers to an ethical standard -- we will see the Fifth Estate die a death just like Telecast News and the Paper Medium (which is surprisingly coming back where I live). I respect you sir, but I can not agree with you. Though I do pray that future journalists in this industry will have you and this declaration, as their Walter Cronkite.
Success is the best revenge. If The Escapist would prefer to focus on quality journalism while ignoring the fires burning around them, that sounds pretty good to me.
 

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I do think that certain game news sites has largely stopped caring too much about reporting integrity, you can even see it in the GamerGate debacle- them not really understanding why everyone is so upset simply because they are all friends with one another and certain devs and publishers. This is partially because few of them are actually educated in journalism ethics. They don't mind being a group of friends and personalities in the industry who share ideas and in some cases blatantly advertise for each other, because that's to be expected of people who are friends.

It's important for media personalities and reporters particularly to maintain perspective, to understand why someone might have an issue with indie devs being too chummy with reporters, because we rely on them for news and reporting, not stories or videos or editorials that amount to "look at this cool game my friend made" or "my friend made a video on a subjective, controversial topic, you should check it out." Such things are fine if they are disclosed, but they rarely are.
 

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OT: Keefer sounds like my father reminiscing on his days in business school where they taught the concept of "good corporate citizenship". It's almost funny that with all the new ways to communicate and find information, discovering the truth seems harder than ever. Thanks for the article good sir, and the hard work generally. Here's hoping we can all figure out how to get back on track sooner rather than later.
Holy cow it's been so long since I even heard someone reference good corporate citizenship that I forgot that was a thing. I do miss that mindset. I think it's rather telling when you hear people talking about corporations having the same rights as people but then they neglect the part about some of the social responsibilities that should go with it.

Agayek said:
Davroth said:
Ronack mirrors my thoughts on the matter.

I wouldn't say I'm upset. It's more like slight disappointment. But at this point, I'm happy for what I get in this whole fiasco.
I mirror the sentiment, don't get me wrong. I am disappointed that there's no coverage of it all.

I just think I understand where it's coming from, so I can accept it.
I can totally understand that response from both people, but again it gets into an area where things are hard to prove and even a single misplaced word can ignite the mob.

I'm glad he kept this piece separate from anything else that he may have said: what's been said here is quite hard to refute or take out of context. Adding anything else in the editorial (a condemnation of peers, anything like that), would potentially taint the article.

OT: Yay, I'm glad to hear from an industry pro that has real experience in journalism. That's the sort of voice that's been far too rare in what's going on.

Also, I'm finally starting to understand why gaming advertising budgets are so high: those swanky gifts and stuff don't buy themselves. :p
 

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flying_whimsy said:
I can totally understand that response from both people, but again it gets into an area where things are hard to prove and even a single misplaced word can ignite the mob.

I'm glad he kept this piece separate from anything else that he may have said: what's been said here is quite hard to refute or take out of context. Adding anything else in the editorial (a condemnation of peers, anything like that), would potentially taint the article.
The article itself shouldn't be touched. This article is a fantastic piece of work and there's no room or need for other subjects or digressions to be made within it.

My point was that I'd like it if there were separate news articles covering the abuse being hurled by the extremists, both for and against GamerGate, and some open coverage on the controversy/debate in general. I totally get why there isn't any of that though, and so I'm content with what we're seeing.
 

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It is incredibly hard to watch ANY news these days as you do not know what to believe.[/quote]
I used to watch Euronews a lot, they always seemed unbiased on most parts and even tried it when it was hard (a city that previously was secular was captured by a strongly muslim faction and they went the extra mile to also report a woman who was glad about it because the crime rates were lower, stuff like that).
 

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Agayek said:
flying_whimsy said:
I can totally understand that response from both people, but again it gets into an area where things are hard to prove and even a single misplaced word can ignite the mob.

I'm glad he kept this piece separate from anything else that he may have said: what's been said here is quite hard to refute or take out of context. Adding anything else in the editorial (a condemnation of peers, anything like that), would potentially taint the article.
The article itself shouldn't be touched. This article is a fantastic piece of work and there's no room or need for other subjects or digressions to be made within it.

My point was that I'd like it if there were separate news articles covering the abuse being hurled by the extremists, both for and against GamerGate, and some open coverage on the controversy/debate in general. I totally get why there isn't any of that though, and so I'm content with what we're seeing.
I totally agree, actually. I was more responding to some other sentiments I saw elsewhere in the thread and just stating that I thought it worked amazingly well as a standalone piece. I would also like to see more coverage of what's actually happening, but seeing where the news editor is coming from I can understand why there hasn't been much mention of it (which is ironic that I remember journalistic ethics being one of the excuses given for the silence and censorship at the start).

It doesn't help that the impression I've been getting is that it's mostly only people in charge of the escapist that are interested in putting forward open coverage of gamergate rather than anyone that actually writes articles (moviebob is the easy example, but I'm sure there's plenty of other writers on staff who simply aren't as vocal or extreme in their opposition).
 

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Thank you Mr. Keefer for this article. It was truly a pleasure to read and it was interesting to hear some opinions on the state of journalism from someone within the field. I cannot comment on the state of US media as I live in Europe but seems that there are similar problems in here as in US, especially in UK where I live now, but also in other countries which is a shame. I really like to read about things like these. It seems that a large portion of the interesting news and articles I read nowadays comes from the Escapist and I appreciate you making this kind of content.
 

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Thanks for writing this. The Escapist is rising up to the challenge and setting the clear example for quality and ethical journalism.
 

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This is my first comment on this site, so... I've been kept in the dark about GamerGate by my social circle. They'd just parrot whatever kotaku, gamasutra, RPS, etc, has been pumping out. Not exactly fond of their "opinions" so much anymore. I never expected The Escapist of all places to come out with their head held high touting journalistic ethics. I'm gobsmacked. Proud of you guys.
 

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Untiiiil they published the article Anonymous Female Game Devs on #Gamergate and didn't represent any of those for the movement.
 

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hentropy said:
I do think that certain game news sites has largely stopped caring too much about reporting integrity, you can even see it in the GamerGate debacle- them not really understanding why everyone is so upset simply because they are all friends with one another and certain devs and publishers. This is partially because few of them are actually educated in journalism ethics.
Eh. Beltway journalists take this to an even greater extreme and they actually are educated in journalistic ethics. I think the tendency toward this exists any time there's a niche or a bubble covering itself-- the smaller the pond that everyone swims in, sources and reporters, the harder it is to strive toward objectivity. You spend 24/7 up each other's bums and you can't help but get chummy or fail to see what that looks like from without. If you think this is bad in gaming journalism, read any political reporter's take on covering a major national campaign. They're on the same plane with these people, at the same events, at the same hotels, month in and month out in a slog that drags on for ages. Ethics statements are wonderful but a lot of this is subconscious. If you want experts in a field covering the field and the field itself is narrow, this is awfully hard to avoid.

I think if anything has bugged me about the "journalistic integrity" part of gamergate, it's the refusal to see how utterly common this is. Yes, it's upsetting. But it's not unique to gaming, nor is it unique to more amateur journalists.
 

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/Writes article about journalism and ethics.
/Gets next to no traffic
/Writes article about women developers and their responses to behavior they've witnessed.
/SERVER EXPLOSIONNNNNNNNN!!!!!

But don't worry, this is totally about journalism ethics.

captcha: trolololol
how fitting...
 

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Thank you for the article. I want my gaming news to be about the gaming industry, not anything else. I'm always going to look at some youtube videos and check out what I'm interested in anyways. I haven't trusted reviews for a very long time, if I ever did.
 

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irishda said:
/Writes article about journalism and ethics.
/Gets next to no traffic
/Writes article about women developers and their responses to behavior they've witnessed.
/SERVER EXPLOSIONNNNNNNNN!!!!!

But don't worry, this is totally about journalism ethics.

captcha: trolololol
how fitting...
I want to stay out of the gg stuff as much as I can but I just had to pop in and address this little statement.

The reason for the difference in response to the articles can likely be chalked up to the type of articles they were. This is a stand up article about how the escapist wants to hold themselves to a higher standard. About how they want to adhere to journalistic ethics and bring fact based news reporting to their consumers. There isn't much to discuss beyond the approval being voiced in this thread. I mean who would legitimately argue against high journalistic standards.

The second article is about the opinions and experiences of female game devs yes. But their responses actually leave room for discussion. Not all of the women even see eye to eye with each other on the issue and Its more or less a textbook example of gamergate's image problem. The differences in opinions and experiences of the devs prove in itself that there is a discussion to be had, thus the 15 pages compared to this article's two.

All in all please don't just resort to calling people trolls. Its not conductive to discussion and get's nobody anywhere.
 

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John Keefer said:
Sleekit said:
with respect to the subject matter of the piece i would also kinda like to hear any thoughts Mr Keefer might have on political and crime reporting if he felt so inclined as personally i feel these are the areas that hold the most dangerous gear change with respect to tone and responsibility.
I think I covered that in the paragraph on Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the like. It is incredibly hard to watch ANY news these days as you do not know what to believe. Local news tends to be better than network news, but having been raised on old school reporting and watching investigative pieces on TV, it is hard to stomach the stuff that passes for "journalism" today. I still trust newspapers, what little of them still exist, because the reporter still must get out into the community and do his legwork for a story, talk to sources and follow paper trails. Being an old fart makes me old school ;)
Thanks for the article and this tidbit here. I'm of the same mind about news outlets these days, can't trust anything they say because I can sense the bias in every story. I grew up listening to Paul Harvey on the radio (RIP) and he had, in my opinion, the best attitude as a newscaster. He didn't inject any personal bias he just read the news as it was. It was and is an example of integrity and there's such a lack of that very word it seems.
I'd like to see more people have the intestinal fortitude to put aside their personal views and opinions and just write the stories as they are, without cherry picking, without demolishing context. Sensational journalism has made such a mockery of a once great profession...
Also I have never bought into the whole publishers/journalists conspiracy crap. Maybe a few have gone over to the dark side in exchange for paltry swag but I don't see it being en masse for all game journalist outlets. It wouldn't make sense to me for people who are writing about games to do such a thing. It doesn't make sense because I don't see people who enjoy games compromising that joy just for a payoff. Again, some might have done it but I can't and won't believe they all do it.
 
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John Keefer said:
The Changing Face of Journalism: How We Will Meet the Challenge

The video game press faces different battles than journalists of years ago. But trying to do things properly should never be an issue, even without GamerGate. Here's what The Escapist will do.

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Very, very good article : )