The nominations are listed in alphabetical orderScarim Coral said:Wait in Best Animated Film, The Good Dinosaur is above Inside Out despite it was disappointing?
Because that's what the documentaries did? What part of those documentaries gave you that impression? I'm assuming you've watched them to come to that conclusion, of course.RJ 17 said:Anyone care to explain to me why we're supposed to glorify a couple of addicts (Cobain and Winehouse) who ultimately went on to kill themselves?
Better to just call Marter an obvious racist and boycott his reviews from now on until he begins adding more diversity in his nominee selections.PsychicTaco115 said:>no Straight Outta Compton
Welp, time to cry in the corner again
Never said that it was the documentaries that gave me this impression, but rather society's response to these two public figures. Cobain wrote a bunch of music, did a bunch of heroine, and blew his face off with a shotgun. Winehouse was a trainwreck who wrote a bunch of music and ended up OD'ing.LetalisK said:Because that's what the documentaries did? What part of those documentaries gave you that impression? I'm assuming you've watched them to come to that conclusion, of course.
Because someone thought their story was interesting in some way and wanted to share it with others. I don't know why you said "deserve" either. It's not like they or anyone else are entitled to it.RJ 17 said:Better to just call Marter an obvious racist and boycott his reviews from now on until he begins adding more diversity in his nominee selections.PsychicTaco115 said:>no Straight Outta Compton
Welp, time to cry in the corner again
Never said that it was the documentaries that gave me this impression, but rather society's response to these two public figures. Cobain wrote a bunch of music, did a bunch of heroine, and blew his face off with a shotgun. Winehouse was a trainwreck who wrote a bunch of music and ended up OD'ing.LetalisK said:Because that's what the documentaries did? What part of those documentaries gave you that impression? I'm assuming you've watched them to come to that conclusion, of course.
What I'm getting at is why do these two deserve documentaries in the first place?
Considering the general reaction and following these two received, it certainly seems like enough people felt they were entitled to it.LetalisK said:I don't know why you said "deserve" either. It's not like they or anyone else are entitled to it.
They were interesting people who led impactful, creative lives. I mean, why NOT them for a documentary? I've watched documentaries about how corn is grown and distributed, a guy who makes a lot of sushi, and one about people being sexually attracted to balloons. It's not like you have to be Mandela or King Jr. or Spartacus to be worthy of a documentary.RJ 17 said:Better to just call Marter an obvious racist and boycott his reviews from now on until he begins adding more diversity in his nominee selections.PsychicTaco115 said:>no Straight Outta Compton
Welp, time to cry in the corner again
Never said that it was the documentaries that gave me this impression, but rather society's response to these two public figures. Cobain wrote a bunch of music, did a bunch of heroine, and blew his face off with a shotgun. Winehouse was a trainwreck who wrote a bunch of music and ended up OD'ing.LetalisK said:Because that's what the documentaries did? What part of those documentaries gave you that impression? I'm assuming you've watched them to come to that conclusion, of course.
What I'm getting at is why do these two deserve documentaries in the first place?
Or that's your perception of other people enjoying something you don't like.RJ 17 said:Considering the general reaction and following these two received, it certainly seems like enough people felt they were entitled to it.LetalisK said:I don't know why you said "deserve" either. It's not like they or anyone else are entitled to it.
Which is precisely why I asked someone to explain to me why these two addicts are so often glorified.LetalisK said:Or that's your perception of other people enjoying something you don't like.RJ 17 said:Considering the general reaction and following these two received, it certainly seems like enough people felt they were entitled to it.LetalisK said:I don't know why you said "deserve" either. It's not like they or anyone else are entitled to it.
While this is true, I still don't see why people so often praise these two. As I mentioned to Letalisk, this is the real crux of my issue. Granted: I'm not a fan of either of their music, but that's why I'm asking for explanations as to why they're considered so impactful.Gorrath said:They were interesting people who led impactful, creative lives. I mean, why NOT them for a documentary? I've watched documentaries about how corn is grown and distributed, a guy who makes a lot of sushi, and one about people being sexually attracted to balloons. It's not like you have to be Mandela or King Jr. or Spartacus to be worthy of a documentary.
Do you have a problem with their choice of dealing with their troubled minds? Do you not understand what often leads to such addictions? Can you also not see that there is no "glorification" of their lifestyle but more an exploration as to how certain creative minds are unable to effectively cope with their problems? At least these people created something for the public to enjoy. It is unfortunate that sometimes the heartfelt work has to come from certain minds. Perhaps you do not understand that others want to understand more of what makes these people who they are. Such ignorance only cause further damage and breeds more ignorance. Empathy is a useful tool and a great communicator.RJ 17 said:Which is precisely why I asked someone to explain to me why these two addicts are so often glorified.LetalisK said:Or that's your perception of other people enjoying something you don't like.RJ 17 said:Considering the general reaction and following these two received, it certainly seems like enough people felt they were entitled to it.LetalisK said:I don't know why you said "deserve" either. It's not like they or anyone else are entitled to it.
At least Gorrath provided me with one possible explanation:
While this is true, I still don't see why people so often praise these two. As I mentioned to Letalisk, this is the real crux of my issue. Granted: I'm not a fan of either of their music, but that's why I'm asking for explanations as to why they're considered so impactful.Gorrath said:They were interesting people who led impactful, creative lives. I mean, why NOT them for a documentary? I've watched documentaries about how corn is grown and distributed, a guy who makes a lot of sushi, and one about people being sexually attracted to balloons. It's not like you have to be Mandela or King Jr. or Spartacus to be worthy of a documentary.
Well, for Winehouse her music was quite popular. I'm not a music expert or anything so I don't know that I can answer your question with any real academic rigor, but Winehouse at least had the "popular, tragic artist" thing going for her. I like her music myself and have been interested in some of the details as to why she was an addict and how she expressed her troubles with addiction in her music. I wouldn't mind sitting through a good documentary about that stuff myself.RJ 17 said:At least Gorrath provided me with one possible explanation:
While this is true, I still don't see why people so often praise these two. As I mentioned to Letalisk, this is the real crux of my issue. Granted: I'm not a fan of either of their music, but that's why I'm asking for explanations as to why they're considered so impactful.Gorrath said:They were interesting people who led impactful, creative lives. I mean, why NOT them for a documentary? I've watched documentaries about how corn is grown and distributed, a guy who makes a lot of sushi, and one about people being sexually attracted to balloons. It's not like you have to be Mandela or King Jr. or Spartacus to be worthy of a documentary.
I was thinking the same thing. Good Dinosaur was paltry compared to Inside Out. They shouldn't even be whispered in the same breath. Of course Inside Out was also, in my estimation, one of the best animated films ever made so...Worgen said:Must not have been many animated movies out this year of the good dinosaur managed to have a chance at best animated.