The "damnit...not all Germans were Nazi's in WW2" thread.

[asiepshtain]

No I have no forgiveness nor compassion nor mercy for Germans who were alive and adults at the time. My family was decimated. My grandfather had six brothers, all dead. My grandmother had four brothers, all dead. Parents, dead. Cousins, dead. They got out, two whole families reduced to two people. And thats just one side of my family. Compassion was it?

You blame people for not wanting to be next? For valuing their own lives and their own families over others, like the vast, vast majority of people anywhere would, have done and still do?

Gonna go with yes.
Cowardice is no excuse, neither is following orders.
Free will is a ***** that way, you have responsibility beyond your own little circle.
Not to mention I would rather be dead then have my son grow up as a Nazi, for example.

Alright, man...

You're saying that a person who will be killed by one of your relatives if he doesn't kill that relative is in the wrong for killing that person somehow?

How is that cowardice? If anything, that's bravery. The will to stand up and take down the people that are about to take you down.

So, if one of your relatives killed a single goddamn German during the war, they're just as bad; did they not ruin a family, also? You act like only American families were decimated. Many German families were probably worse off than yours! (Ahem, German Jews + Holocaust.) So, you probably should have no compassion for American adults from that time, either, including - hell, especially - your family, because they were likely directly involved in the ruination of a good few German families, being on the battlefield and whatnot.

Also, that German Jews bit brings me to another point; you have no compassion or mercy for any German adults at the time of the Holocaust? Not even the Jewish people who had to suffer the atrocities of the Nazi regime?

Perhaps you should get rid of the selfishness and look at things from a more universal perspective.

You seem to be deliberately misreading what I wrote.
Off course I don't include the Germans who fought the government.
I'm sure this can be easily inferred from the text.
The thing about the families is also unclear, I said already I have no problem with people not alive back then. So what?
Your post is unclear to me, please clarify.

 

[Arsen]

No I have no forgiveness nor compassion nor mercy for Germans who were alive and adults at the time. My family was decimated. My grandfather had six brothers, all dead. My grandmother had four brothers, all dead. Parents, dead. Cousins, dead. They got out, two whole families reduced to two people. And thats just one side of my family. Compassion was it?

You blame people for not wanting to be next? For valuing their own lives and their own families over others, like the vast, vast majority of people anywhere would, have done and still do?

Gonna go with yes.
Cowardice is no excuse, neither is following orders.
Free will is a ***** that way, you have responsibility beyond your own little circle.
Not to mention I would rather be dead then have my son grow up as a Nazi, for example.

Alright, man...

You're saying that a person who will be killed by one of your relatives if he doesn't kill that relative is in the wrong for killing that person somehow?

How is that cowardice? If anything, that's bravery. The will to stand up and take down the people that are about to take you down.

So, if one of your relatives killed a single goddamn German during the war, they're just as bad; did they not ruin a family, also? You act like only American families were decimated. Many German families were probably worse off than yours! (Ahem, German Jews + Holocaust.) So, you probably should have no compassion for American adults from that time, either, including - hell, especially - your family, because they were likely directly involved in the ruination of a good few German families, being on the battlefield and whatnot.

Also, that German Jews bit brings me to another point; you have no compassion or mercy for any German adults at the time of the Holocaust? Not even the Jewish people who had to suffer the atrocities of the Nazi regime?

Perhaps you should get rid of the selfishness and look at things from a more universal perspective.

You seem to be deliberately misreading what I wrote.
Off course I don't include the Germans who fought the government.
I'm sure this can be easily inferred from the text.
The thing about the families is also unclear, I said already I have no problem with people not alive back then. So what?
Your post is unclear to me, please clarify.

You are actually stating that Germany is irresponsible for "not fighting back"? You are talking out a deep, inward bias...not on a level of intelligence, decency, and overall love for humanity. People as a whole are not responsible for anything.

Even then Germany was one of the founding points for Christianity. Which holds more relevance then mere a mere deathtoll. Need I mention that others were killed as well?

There is nothing but a pro-Israeli bias in your reasoning.

Edit - I know the Holocaust was bad. However, the Germans and Germany as a whole are not to blame for it. Get off the blame train here. People act as if you're condoning murder and genocide if you don't jump up and down screaming "The Germans were wrong, the Germans were wrong".

Yes, what the Nazis did was wrong.
However, not all the people were Nazis. That is the end of this discussion.

 

[asiepshtain]

ah, much clearer now.
Yes, I am blaming the great majority of German citizen for electing and supporting the Nazi party. I hold them responsible for the deaths in my family. Much more in fact then the solider who shot them. If they would have said "No, I will not throw my troubles on the weak and helpless and shame on you for suggesting it" The Nazi party would never have gained enough power to even threaten them.
I have no problems with Germany beyond that point in history as I previously stated, nor do I disregard it's tremendous contribution to both science and culture.
You however seem to be biased to the fact I'm Israeli and wanting no further debate on that issue as I think it's off-topic to this thread I'm done talking to you.

 

[Stringytank]

There is nothing but a pro-Israeli bias in your reasoning.

There's nothing but pro-German bias in yours.

 

[Death Magnetic]

I quite like Germany and I'm a Brit. I don't see why we should still hold the war against them, the majority of Germans alive today didn't fight in it. And if we're judging countries by their history I know England isn't perfect either.

Also I really like their accent.

-Ricky

 

[Arsen]

There is nothing but a pro-Israeli bias in your reasoning.

There's nothing but pro-German bias in yours.

I speak on a level that doesn't hold individuals as guilty due to a history they are at no fault for having. I also likewise do not tell others that "your history is filled with blood" because it is completely hypocritical. What I am saying is that people put certain deaths in WW2 over the deaths of everyone else. All murders, death, etc were equal and all deserve the same sorrowful regard and respect.

People concentrate on the picture we're given, not the individual cirucmstances as to how one is "supposed" to see WW2.

Edit - I hold nothing against him for being Israeli, nor is my argument Pro-German. It's just pro-humanity.

 

[Misaek]

Brothers in Arms portrays some German townspeople as just being normal people with day to day lives, not as evil Nazis.

I believe that was a french town your speaking of.

 

[MercurySteam]

I'm Jewish (hahahahaha). But i have 1 motto and that is that "all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis", you'd have to be a really messed up dumbshit to disagree. I have a German friend, one of the most intelligent people i've ever known.

 

[asiepshtain]

I'm Jewish (hahahahaha). But i have 1 motto and that is that "all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis", you'd have to be a really messed up dumbshit to disagree. I have a German friend, one of the most intelligent people i've ever known.

I'm an Atheist(MUHAHAHA) WTH?!

Yes, not all the German were Nazis. However, they allowed as citizens of the state the Nazi party to rise to power, by voting for them and not protesting their hideous rules.

Your German friend has nothing to do with this, he wasn't alive at the time.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

It's hard to protest against a power that covertly eliminates people in the night. Hitler preyed on the fears of the German people, in every sense, as well anti-semitism was pretty much an international norm in this era (I'm looking at YOU U.S.A, and France) so it's really not suprising that so many people looked the other way.

Of course I forgive them because while I can SAY I would have stood up against them... it's a lot harder when the situation is staring you full on in the face.

 

[Abedeus]

Of course not every German is evil Nazi. Same as not every Polish or Russian men is a heavy drinker and not every Japanese has a calculator in his pants.

Even my grandfather once had an "adventure" with German soldiers before the WWII, but after WWI. He was young back then, 9-11 (don't know how exactly, as I've heard this story from my mom). He was wandering around the town and he spotted an open truck. Inside, there was a barrel full of liquid honey. He jumped on it and started drinking (it was one of the only sweet things that the poor could afford... and it was free, or so it would seem). Suddenly, someone grabbed his feet and pushed him into the barrel. After few seconds he was pulled out and he noticed German soldiers. They didn't shoot him or anything, just laughed at him, soaked to bone in honey and told him to scram.

Stereotypes are wrong, and people telling them should be hit in the head. With a shovel.

 

[lanostos]

I'm Jewish (hahahahaha). But i have 1 motto and that is that "all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis", you'd have to be a really messed up dumbshit to disagree. I have a German friend, one of the most intelligent people i've ever known.

I'm an Atheist(MUHAHAHA) WTH?!

Yes, not all the German were Nazis. However, they allowed as citizens of the state the Nazi party to rise to power, by voting for them and not protesting their hideous rules.

Your German friend has nothing to do with this, he wasn't alive at the time.

I can understand your rhetoric on cowardice evn though I don't necessarily agree. You were/are a soldier therefore you have a mindset the makes you want to answer to a higher calling than simply saving yourself.

Quite respectable I daresay. The problem lies in the fact that not everyone is courageous, actually most people aren't. Simply put, The soldiers who pulled the trigger on jews could have refused. True! But they would have been shot and replaced. If i was there, I could have told myself, I shall do what is right, the problem is that this would have been followed by: If I do what is riht, I will die and the evil deed will have been done by someone else. So I really don't know what I would have done.

 

[GenHellspawn]

It's basically a way of making the public feel better about going to war. German resistance was pronounced "Nazi", and now, Iraqi resistance is pronounced "terrorist".

 

[Darkwolf9]

I'm Jewish (hahahahaha). But i have 1 motto and that is that "all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis", you'd have to be a really messed up dumbshit to disagree. I have a German friend, one of the most intelligent people i've ever known.

I'm an Atheist(MUHAHAHA) WTH?!

Yes, not all the German were Nazis. However, they allowed as citizens of the state the Nazi party to rise to power, by voting for them and not protesting their hideous rules.

Your German friend has nothing to do with this, he wasn't alive at the time.

Well your right to a degree. Most of the civilian Germans didn't know about the hideous things he was doing. Even more than that the Nazi party had come and "saved" Germany during that time. Even more than that was that the Nazi party got into power on the backs of the "Jewish Menace." What I mean is that after world war 1 the Germans were left in bad shape. They slowly started to blame Jews for it and then the Nazi party came along and used that paranoia to increase their following. Despite what we know the Nazi party for they really helped out the German economy and general way of life at the time. So if someone came along and saved you (I mean really pulled your ass out of the fire), but they had a real nasty side to them (most of which you didn't get to see) would you confront them on it.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

The united retardeds, brits, beret wearing cheesing sniffers(I kid.), can't ***** about the nazi's. They had a hand in creating them. You do not kick a country while its down by making them pay huge war crimes just because you won.

 

[Datalord]

I just have to say, Valkyrie (did i spells it right?) is about as accurate as a drunk marksman with a flintlock pistol.
If you want a good WW2 movie, go see "Der Untergangen" ("The Downfall" in English) It is a movie made about Hitler's last days in the bunker under Berlin, based on the experiences of his secretary.

 

[Unknower]

I think Hitler's rise to power is pretty understandable. You can't blame average German for it. WWI's peace treaty fucked up Germany and Hitler just used the opportunity to manipulate Germans blame Jews and others for it. Angry people are easy to manipulate.

Brothers in Arms portrays some German townspeople as just being normal people with day to day lives, not as evil Nazis.

I believe that was a french town your speaking of.

German townspeople in French town?

I'm Jewish (hahahahaha). But i have 1 motto and that is that "all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis", you'd have to be a really messed up dumbshit to disagree. I have a German friend, one of the most intelligent people i've ever known.

Hitler was Austrian.

 

[Clashero]

Brothers in Arms portrays some German townspeople as just being normal people with day to day lives, not as evil Nazis.

In which one? I played road to Hill 30 and about half of Earned In Blood and I didn't see a single German civilian.
Hell, as far as I've played, I've never set foot outside of France.

 

[Clemenstation]

My boss' father was forcibly conscripted into the German army during WWII but apparently he never considered himself a Nazi. Grey area?

 

[Spartan Bannana]

Brothers in Arms portrays some German townspeople as just being normal people with day to day lives, not as evil Nazis.

In which one? I played road to Hill 30 and about half of Earned In Blood and I didn't see a single German civilian.
Hell, as far as I've played, I've never set foot outside of France.

Hells Highway, I think they were German