The Dark Knight

[Vampire Kitteh]

Ok Im gonna try again to defend Nolan subtlely.

S laughter is the best medicine wrtten on the side of the truck in the chase scene I missed that the first couple of times I saw the scene. The half lit interregtion room hinted at what was to become of Harvey Dent I thought that was clever.

I may be clutching at straws here but Sal Maroni twirled his cane in a hint at The Riddler
(just before the joker burnt just his half of the money) lol
Also note the Jokers final terrorist video in which that Mike Engel reads out a riddle.
also I loved those videos it was a great idea.

anywho although things can get a bit heated here Im enjoying the debate =D

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Ok Im gonna try again to defend Nolan subtlely.

S laughter is the best medicine wrtten on the side of the truck in the chase scene I missed that the first couple of times I saw the scene. The half lit interregtion room hinted at what was to become of Harvey Dent I thought that was clever.

I may be clutching at straws here but Sal Maroni twirled his cane in a hint at The Riddler
(just before the joker burnt just his half of the money) lol
Also note the Jokers final terrorist video in which that Mike Engel reads out a riddle.
also I loved those videos it was a great idea.

anywho although things can get a bit heated here Im enjoying the debate =D

You missed the part where The Joker wore a Harvey Dent political ad button while visiting Harvey Dent.

Spoiler

When he was corrupting him to create Two-Face.

 

[Vampire Kitteh]

Oh manI missed that >.<
Im gonna check that out next time. Also the openingbank robbery scene wascrammed with game theory. which was amazingly played out, referancing Heat which I beleave starred Val Kilmer?

Also Murcielago is Spanish for 'Bat'

 

[Bunnymarn]

Yes mate, but its the attitude isn't it? If people know they're film is going to deemed stupid before people even see it, especially when something is as critically and popularly acclaimed as The Dark Knight, sends the wrong message.

The part in bold makes no sense.

Ha ha, that's what I get for trying to make an argument on a forum in a busy office.

Never paying full attention. The point I was trying to make (I think) is that the assumption that something will be brainless, and the avoidance of it because of this despite critical acclaim, is very dangerous. If someone told you Epic Movie was really good, you'd think they were lying, but if all your mates and movie reviewers were saying the same I'd be tempted to test my assumptions.

Hah, sorry, I just wanted to point it out.

I understand what you mean, people can often be talked into things alot and some people go with the crowd, so they aren't singled out. (I'm not entirely sure, but I think I just went off there or missed the point, plus I'm tired so that doesn't help. But I do understand what you are saying.)

 

[Sylocat]

It is worth pointing out, however, that Jack Nicholson was sparring with the talent of Michael Keaton and poor old Heath Ledger gets to show up the personality vacuum that is Christian Bale. Bale delivers a take on Bruce Wayne who is as smug and unlikeable as Keaton's was self effacing and funny

... WHAT?

 

[JaguarWong]

Could you rephrase the question please?

 

[brabz]

It is worth pointing out, however, that Jack Nicholson was sparring with the talent of Michael Keaton and poor old Heath Ledger gets to show up the personality vacuum that is Christian Bale. Bale delivers a take on Bruce Wayne who is as smug and unlikeable as Keaton's was self effacing and funny

... WHAT?

My guess would be that he's incredulous that you have such little respect for Bale's acting. It's pretty generally accepted that he's one of the most talented male leads in Hollywood currently and he has a pretty good resume to back it up(Machinist, Prestige, 3:10 to Yuma, American Psycho).
You blithely dismiss him and heap massive praise on a gentleman who did such blockbusters as "Mr. Mom" and "Multiplicity". There was nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman, or his acting in general, but it seems a stretch to call Bale a vacuum for playing the part differently.

 

[Sylocat]

My guess would be that he's incredulous that you have such little respect for Bale's acting. It's pretty generally accepted that he's one of the most talented male leads in Hollywood currently and he has a pretty good resume to back it up(Machinist, Prestige, 3:10 to Yuma, American Psycho).
You blithely dismiss him and heap massive praise on a gentleman who did such blockbusters as "Mr. Mom" and "Multiplicity". There was nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman, but it seems a stretch to call Bale a vacuum for playing the part differently.

Pretty much covers it. Thank you.

Except for one thing:

You blithely dismiss him and heap massive praise on a gentleman who did such blockbusters as "Mr. Mom" and "Multiplicity". There was nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman, but it seems a stretch to call Bale a vacuum for playing the part differently.

Yeah, nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman... aside from the fact that he had quite possibly the LEAST personality of any lead superhero in any comic book movie ever made that WASN'T universally hated by critics and comic fans. Keaton's Batman movies were nothing more than vehicles for campy comedy on the part of whichever celebrity they'd managed to land for the villains.

Anyway, I don't know how anyone can say that Christian Bale is a bad actor. Unless, of course, it's just the whole "hating something popular makes me individual and edgy" attitude that is sadly so prevalent on the internet... and especially on The Escapist.

As for the review I couldn't help but feel you were trying to write a negative review just to piss off the fans

If it had been positive would you have said it was that way just to jump on the band-wagon?

Actually at the Escapist the Band Wagon seems to be hatred of something popular rather than the reverse. Thanks to Yahtzee many feel we aren't allowed to enjoy things anymore.

That only applies to people who take Yathzee even remotely seriously.

Which, sadly, many people here do.

 

[Axiis]

My guess would be that he's incredulous that you have such little respect for Bale's acting. It's pretty generally accepted that he's one of the most talented male leads in Hollywood currently and he has a pretty good resume to back it up(Machinist, Prestige, 3:10 to Yuma, American Psycho).
You blithely dismiss him and heap massive praise on a gentleman who did such blockbusters as "Mr. Mom" and "Multiplicity". There was nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman, but it seems a stretch to call Bale a vacuum for playing the part differently.

Pretty much covers it. Thank you.

Except for one thing:

You blithely dismiss him and heap massive praise on a gentleman who did such blockbusters as "Mr. Mom" and "Multiplicity". There was nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman, but it seems a stretch to call Bale a vacuum for playing the part differently.

Yeah, nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman... aside from the fact that he had quite possibly the LEAST personality of any lead superhero in any comic book movie ever made that WASN'T universally hated by critics and comic fans. Keaton's Batman movies were nothing more than vehicles for campy comedy on the part of whichever celebrity they'd managed to land for the villains.

Anyway, I don't know how anyone can say that Christian Bale is a bad actor. Unless, of course, it's just the whole "hating something popular makes me individual and edgy" attitude that is sadly so prevalent on the internet... and especially on The Escapist.

As for the review I couldn't help but feel you were trying to write a negative review just to piss off the fans

If it had been positive would you have said it was that way just to jump on the band-wagon?

Actually at the Escapist the Band Wagon seems to be hatred of something popular rather than the reverse. Thanks to Yahtzee many feel we aren't allowed to enjoy things anymore.

That only applies to people who take Yathzee even remotely seriously.

Which, sadly, many people here do.

I'll just come out and say this in void of sitting down to type paragraph's of text explaining my own views, Sylocat has my opinion right there. And I didn't feel like going back, quoting everything I disagreed on and made one giant ass quote infused post of disproof xD

Thank you Sylocat

 

[JaguarWong]

To play Batman you have to take on two roles - The Bat and The Man.
Only Keaton ever managed to do both justice and blur the line sufficiently.

Every person who dismisses Batman ('89) as campy or throw away really needs to sit down and watch the film again.

Watch how Vicki Vale only ever wears clothing in one colour.
Look for the subliminal bats in the architecture of Wayne Manor.
Listen to the script, how characters bounce of each other (rather than deliver speeches).
Watch Jokers relationship with his henceman Bob.
Ask yourself; what's more psychotic? A man who kills a goon with a pencil or a man who tortures his girlfriend until she kills herself.

If you want to hide behind popular opinion then that's fine - just don't accuse me of contrarianism because I fail to see the appeal of a film with no soul.

 

[smithy1234]

It hasn't come out on video yet, how the hell did you watch it at home?

It has actually, it was released in Canada and US on December 9th. I've got my copy

 

[Avatar Roku]

Actually at the Escapist the Band Wagon seems to be hatred of something popular rather than the reverse. Thanks to Yahtzee many feel we aren't allowed to enjoy things anymore.

I know. Apparently, on the Escapist, its a cardinal sin to have felt anything positive for any thing the "unwashed masses" enjoyed. And god help you if you at all enjoyed the Halo games, as I have.

To the review: I'll give you the comment on speed (I was concentrating more on the number of items and obstacles in play). I also agree on Bale; and genuinely laugh when people refer to his Batman lines as gargling gravel (other reviews). I disagree on some of the descriptions of other characters, the Joker/Batman symbiosis, the cinematography, all the pacing and surprised at no mention of Freeman.

You'll like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc] then.

No, I read it and assumed you were one of those people with modern-blindness. Jaws is a blockbuster and you said the words "best blockbuster of the year" turn you off. Well I'm pretty sure Jaws would have got heat from a lot people were it released today. There's a culture of blockbuster=stupid. Admittedly there are a lot of stupid blockbusters, but there are also a vast number more of them. Also, Heat (1995), or The Departed for that matter, or Children of Men.

um... I don't quite see what you were trying to say. Are you saying that those bolded movies were good, bad, unappreciated, what?

 

[rossatdi]

No, I read it and assumed you were one of those people with modern-blindness. Jaws is a blockbuster and you said the words "best blockbuster of the year" turn you off. Well I'm pretty sure Jaws would have got heat from a lot people were it released today. There's a culture of blockbuster=stupid. Admittedly there are a lot of stupid blockbusters, but there are also a vast number more of them. Also, Heat (1995), or The Departed for that matter, or Children of Men.

um... I don't quite see what you were trying to say. Are you saying that those bolded movies were good, bad, unappreciated, what?

There are all examples of great blockbusters with some brains and style about them. I was arguing (debating) with someone and he had said that the phrase "best blockbuster of the year" was a turn off for him. I particularly dislike like that snobby attitude towards films as its counter productive.

 

[Avatar Roku]

No, I read it and assumed you were one of those people with modern-blindness. Jaws is a blockbuster and you said the words "best blockbuster of the year" turn you off. Well I'm pretty sure Jaws would have got heat from a lot people were it released today. There's a culture of blockbuster=stupid. Admittedly there are a lot of stupid blockbusters, but there are also a vast number more of them. Also, Heat (1995), or The Departed for that matter, or Children of Men.

um... I don't quite see what you were trying to say. Are you saying that those bolded movies were good, bad, unappreciated, what?

There are all examples of great blockbusters with some brains and style about them. I was arguing (debating) with someone and he had said that the phrase "best blockbuster of the year" was a turn off for him. I particularly dislike like that snobby attitude towards films as its counter productive.

Oh, well, in that case, I agree with you on those 3 films. I especially loved Children of Men (although it might be the one case in the history of the universe of a movie being better than the book its based on).
EDIT:sorry, my response was inside the quote tower.

 

[Jumpman]

Well if nothing else, this is one of the most well written pieces of garbage I've ever seen. Frankly I think you're making alot of assumptions about what the movie was trying to do, and im not convinced they're justified. Part of my problem is that even when I begin to think your making a solid point about the deeper inner workings of character and storyline, you give these point of fact opinions about the action or dialogue that I completely disagree with, leaving me to wonder if we're both to far removed from each others perspective that we're incapable of even viewing the movie the same way.

either that or you just wanted to piss people off so you could get alot of replies.

anyway, as I said, its very well written and seems to be genuinely thought out. I just disagree with almost every word. (almost)

 

[Sylocat]

my rants

I'll just come out and say this in void of sitting down to type paragraph's of text explaining my own views, Sylocat has my opinion right there. And I didn't feel like going back, quoting everything I disagreed on and made one giant ass quote infused post of disproof xD

Thank you Sylocat

You're quite welcome.

 

[JaguarWong]

...leaving me to wonder if we're both to far removed from each others perspective that we're incapable of even viewing the movie the same way.

Honestly, I don't see why that would be a bad thing

either that or you just wanted to piss people off so you could get alot of replies.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss my unpopular opinions on a popular film - not the same thing - unfortunately it seems that discussion is not an option to most people.

 

[Ryuzaki]

You, my friend, are going to that special Hell normally reserved for baby-rapists and people who write checks for anything when a credit or debit card would do just fine.

"And people who talk at the theatre."

Nice FireFly quote there.

 

[scnj]

You, my friend, are going to that special Hell normally reserved for baby-rapists and people who write checks for anything when a credit or debit card would do just fine.

"And people who talk at the theatre."

Nice FireFly quote there.

I was wondering if anyone would notice.

 

[CAFR]

I greatly enjoyed this movie, with th exception of the monologue Jim Gordon gives at the end. That was some truly brutal writing.