No I didn't.Vampire Kitteh said:
How is it subtle when it's mentioned in every other line of dialogue that refers to Dent!?Vampire Kitteh said:
The Dark Knight
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Sometimes I get big headed. my mistake Im sure someon else metioned the revenge plot somewhere. My apologies
onwards =D
These are good points even I came out of the theatre thinking what the? The film tries to be too clever and you have to try figure it out some points
Christopher Nolan?s The Dark Knight is a very hard film to enjoy.
you could say The Dark Knight is glued together by boring scenes because Cristopher Nolan uses everything he films and has never heard of the 'deleted scenes' feature but this will be remedied by the skip button on the DVD
In Batman Begins the action sequences were so badly constructed that it was actually impossible to grasp what was supposed to be happening.
Although I figured what was happening. I thought it was all a bit bland but it did have an impressive ending. the biggest problem with that film I think you may agree is the flashbacks. Also the action scenes were breif and boring
In The Dark Knight Nolan appears to have been bitten by the over compensation bug. Each action sequence lacks both style and pace, the fights seem to be aiming for the realistic brutality of the kind we saw executed so brilliantly in Casino Royale
Hmm most directors bite off more thn they can chew Im personally not looking forwards to the 3rd film. if there is one Yeah the whole realism thing is great its what I love. Im mre irked that these scenes arent realistic an they tried to e too stylish when the film was wearing on (about the halfway point) example Twoface surviving the car crash in his condition. and then Joker getting out of the truck unscathed.
the point to add is the film got a bit boring in parts after the interrogation scene. In fact if felt like it was been streched I mean Harvey Dent suddenly goes missing ?! The Truck flip gave a sens of finallity but I sat there for another hour or so
Ill agree on second thoughts the white knight line was repeated a bit I think I was a bit slow on the uptake.
onwards =D
These are good points even I came out of the theatre thinking what the? The film tries to be too clever and you have to try figure it out some points
Christopher Nolan?s The Dark Knight is a very hard film to enjoy.
you could say The Dark Knight is glued together by boring scenes because Cristopher Nolan uses everything he films and has never heard of the 'deleted scenes' feature but this will be remedied by the skip button on the DVD
In Batman Begins the action sequences were so badly constructed that it was actually impossible to grasp what was supposed to be happening.
Although I figured what was happening. I thought it was all a bit bland but it did have an impressive ending. the biggest problem with that film I think you may agree is the flashbacks. Also the action scenes were breif and boring
In The Dark Knight Nolan appears to have been bitten by the over compensation bug. Each action sequence lacks both style and pace, the fights seem to be aiming for the realistic brutality of the kind we saw executed so brilliantly in Casino Royale
Hmm most directors bite off more thn they can chew Im personally not looking forwards to the 3rd film. if there is one Yeah the whole realism thing is great its what I love. Im mre irked that these scenes arent realistic an they tried to e too stylish when the film was wearing on (about the halfway point) example Twoface surviving the car crash in his condition. and then Joker getting out of the truck unscathed.
the point to add is the film got a bit boring in parts after the interrogation scene. In fact if felt like it was been streched I mean Harvey Dent suddenly goes missing ?! The Truck flip gave a sens of finallity but I sat there for another hour or so
Ill agree on second thoughts the white knight line was repeated a bit I think I was a bit slow on the uptake.
Ha ha, that's what I get for trying to make an argument on a forum in a busy office.Bunnymarn said:
Never paying full attention. The point I was trying to make (I think) is that the assumption that something will be brainless, and the avoidance of it because of this despite critical acclaim, is very dangerous. If someone told you Epic Movie was really good, you'd think they were lying, but if all your mates and movie reviewers were saying the same I'd be tempted to test my assumptions.
I really hated batmans voice in this movie and the previous one, it sounds like he's been smoking a pack a day for thirty years. While I loved the film, if for no other reason than I loved the Joker and his chaos, I did feel that parts dragged and weren't exactly necessary. Such as the Two-Face sub-plot, and the silly romance bit with the unlikeable, flat-wooden performance of that woman... what's-her-face-not-worth-googling. And some editing in the slow parts didn't work for me...but the action sequences were fun.
Ok Im gonna try again to defend Nolan subtlely.
S laughter is the best medicine wrtten on the side of the truck in the chase scene I missed that the first couple of times I saw the scene. The half lit interregtion room hinted at what was to become of Harvey Dent I thought that was clever.
I may be clutching at straws here but Sal Maroni twirled his cane in a hint at The Riddler
(just before the joker burnt just his half of the money) lol
Also note the Jokers final terrorist video in which that Mike Engel reads out a riddle.
also I loved those videos it was a great idea.
anywho although things can get a bit heated here Im enjoying the debate =D
S laughter is the best medicine wrtten on the side of the truck in the chase scene I missed that the first couple of times I saw the scene. The half lit interregtion room hinted at what was to become of Harvey Dent I thought that was clever.
I may be clutching at straws here but Sal Maroni twirled his cane in a hint at The Riddler
(just before the joker burnt just his half of the money) lol
Also note the Jokers final terrorist video in which that Mike Engel reads out a riddle.
also I loved those videos it was a great idea.
anywho although things can get a bit heated here Im enjoying the debate =D
You missed the part where The Joker wore a Harvey Dent political ad button while visiting Harvey Dent.Vampire Kitteh said:
When he was corrupting him to create Two-Face.
Oh manI missed that >.<
Im gonna check that out next time. Also the openingbank robbery scene wascrammed with game theory. which was amazingly played out, referancing Heat which I beleave starred Val Kilmer?
Also Murcielago is Spanish for 'Bat'
Im gonna check that out next time. Also the openingbank robbery scene wascrammed with game theory. which was amazingly played out, referancing Heat which I beleave starred Val Kilmer?
Also Murcielago is Spanish for 'Bat'
Hah, sorry, I just wanted to point it out.rossatdi said:
I understand what you mean, people can often be talked into things alot and some people go with the crowd, so they aren't singled out. (I'm not entirely sure, but I think I just went off there or missed the point, plus I'm tired so that doesn't help. But I do understand what you are saying.)
My guess would be that he's incredulous that you have such little respect for Bale's acting. It's pretty generally accepted that he's one of the most talented male leads in Hollywood currently and he has a pretty good resume to back it up(Machinist, Prestige, 3:10 to Yuma, American Psycho).Sylocat said:
You blithely dismiss him and heap massive praise on a gentleman who did such blockbusters as "Mr. Mom" and "Multiplicity". There was nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman, or his acting in general, but it seems a stretch to call Bale a vacuum for playing the part differently.
Pretty much covers it. Thank you.brabz said:
Except for one thing:
Yeah, nothing wrong with Keaton's Batman... aside from the fact that he had quite possibly the LEAST personality of any lead superhero in any comic book movie ever made that WASN'T universally hated by critics and comic fans. Keaton's Batman movies were nothing more than vehicles for campy comedy on the part of whichever celebrity they'd managed to land for the villains.brabz said:
Anyway, I don't know how anyone can say that Christian Bale is a bad actor. Unless, of course, it's just the whole "hating something popular makes me individual and edgy" attitude that is sadly so prevalent on the internet... and especially on The Escapist.
Which, sadly, many people here do.DYin01 said:
I'll just come out and say this in void of sitting down to type paragraph's of text explaining my own views, Sylocat has my opinion right there. And I didn't feel like going back, quoting everything I disagreed on and made one giant ass quote infused post of disproof xDSylocat said:
Thank you Sylocat
To play Batman you have to take on two roles - The Bat and The Man.
Only Keaton ever managed to do both justice and blur the line sufficiently.
Every person who dismisses Batman ('89) as campy or throw away really needs to sit down and watch the film again.
Watch how Vicki Vale only ever wears clothing in one colour.
Look for the subliminal bats in the architecture of Wayne Manor.
Listen to the script, how characters bounce of each other (rather than deliver speeches).
Watch Jokers relationship with his henceman Bob.
Ask yourself; what's more psychotic? A man who kills a goon with a pencil or a man who tortures his girlfriend until she kills herself.
If you want to hide behind popular opinion then that's fine - just don't accuse me of contrarianism because I fail to see the appeal of a film with no soul.
Only Keaton ever managed to do both justice and blur the line sufficiently.
Every person who dismisses Batman ('89) as campy or throw away really needs to sit down and watch the film again.
Watch how Vicki Vale only ever wears clothing in one colour.
Look for the subliminal bats in the architecture of Wayne Manor.
Listen to the script, how characters bounce of each other (rather than deliver speeches).
Watch Jokers relationship with his henceman Bob.
Ask yourself; what's more psychotic? A man who kills a goon with a pencil or a man who tortures his girlfriend until she kills herself.
If you want to hide behind popular opinion then that's fine - just don't accuse me of contrarianism because I fail to see the appeal of a film with no soul.
It has actually, it was released in Canada and US on December 9th. I've got my copyqbert4ever said:
I know. Apparently, on the Escapist, its a cardinal sin to have felt anything positive for any thing the "unwashed masses" enjoyed. And god help you if you at all enjoyed the Halo games, as I have.PedroSteckecilo said:
You'll like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc] then.AntiAntagonist said:
um... I don't quite see what you were trying to say. Are you saying that those bolded movies were good, bad, unappreciated, what?rossatdi said:
There are all examples of great blockbusters with some brains and style about them. I was arguing (debating) with someone and he had said that the phrase "best blockbuster of the year" was a turn off for him. I particularly dislike like that snobby attitude towards films as its counter productive.orannis62 said: