The end of the world as we know it?

NinjaDeathSlap

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Is it just me, or does the world seem to be going to shit a lot more than usual lately?

I mean, it's not like I just turned the news on for the first time yesterday; nor am I an angsty fourteen year old only just opening their eyes to the wider world around them. I'd like to think I'm a relatively ardent follower of current events, and I know from this that there's almost always something seriously fucked up going down somewhere in the world at any moment in time. The present certainly does not have a monopoly on suffering, inequality, and fear.

However, in just the last handful of weeks, Russia has to all intents and purposes invaded Ukraine (after annexing the Crimean Penninsula months ago), escalating a civil war in the east of the country to global crisis levels, and causing her and the NATO alliance to square up to each-other at a scale not seen since the end of the cold war. Further afield, ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're supposed to call them now, had made unprecedented gains towards their goal of a Middle Eastern caliphate under Sharia law, having proven themselves a far better organised and equipped force than any the region has seen in decades, fracturing an Iraqi military that took a decade to formulate since the defeat of Saddam Hussein. US airstrikes may have paused their advance, but it's not a long-term solution, and now I'm hearing the possibility of ISIS negotiating an alliance with the Taliban further East. Sticking with the Middle East, Israel and Hamas have just about managed to negotiate a ceasefire after the bloodiest escalation of conflict between the two sides in several years, that dominated the headlines all summer. That might seem like a sign of progress, especially since last I heard, some level of lifting of the siege of the Gaza Strip was in the pipeline. However, I can't help but feel, along with what I'm sure are other international observers, that we've seen this all before, and that it's only a matter of time before the two sides are at it again, particularly after the Israeli government announced another massive land grab in the West Bank just days ago. Last but not least, in Africa, Al Shabbab and Boko Haram continue to be a constant destabilising presence on the East and West coasts respectively, while Libya has deteriorated into tribal anarchy, and an ebola plague ravages several other nations.

I'm a citizen of the UK, a country that conceivably may no longer exist two weeks from now, with a referendum on Scottish independence just around the corner. Now, I'm not trying to equate a fair and peaceful election such as that, to the sort of violent upheaval seen elsewhere in the world; but still, it can't help but add to the feeling that, on the crux of my adulthood, the world is suddenly and unceremoniously changing into something I don't recognise and am not sure I'm comfortable with. I'm about to be thrown out into a world that is more divided, more unstable, and more hostile, than the world in which I grew up. I don't mean to imply that things were perfect before, because they most certainly weren't. However, a part of me still can't help but search for a point where it all started to go wrong all at once. I'm aware I've lived a relatively sheltered life up until now; and, while we each have our own problems, I've never faced anything before that made me feel utterly helpless and alone, always having people I trust to turn to. Now though, for I think the first time in my life, I catch myself wondering how long it might be before all this chaos catches up to me, and whether everything really is going to be okay this time.

Am I simply getting paranoid, or are there others among you who have been wondering the same thing, and what, if anything, are we to do about it all?
 

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Had to be done.

OT: I think you're getting paranoid. As you said, shit's always getting real. If I really wanted, I could probably find ten different news stories that make it seem like the entire US is going to spontaneously explode tomorrow.

I mean, I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of these international events or anything, and I'll admit I'm not much of a follower of news in general because I prefer to not be exposed to the worst of everything all the time, but to me those events don't really paint any worse an impression of the world at large today versus ten-fifteen years ago.

But maybe I'm just dumb and don't know anything about the political implications or have any insight into the potential future to which this could lead. That's very likely, to be honest. I'm not a very political person.
 

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I say it all went wrong with 9/11. Of course, the seeds which caused that were sown many years before but it ended in one fell swoop the optimism of the nineties, the idea that after the end of the Cold War the 'end of history' was approaching with the new millenium. 9/11 was the ultimate reminder that history hasn't ended and our struggles weren't over. Since then it's been a downward projectory, the Iraq war in 2003, the Great Recession from 2008 onwards, the Arab Spring in 2011 and of course all the things you mentioned this year.

What can we do about it? Not a lot, being politically engaged and a generally good person helps in some small way but we're each only one in a seven billion plus cog machine. Ultimately we just have to go along with wherever the wild ride takes us and enjoy it as best we can. Eventually a new equilibrium will form, perhaps after much bloodshed but also some good can come out of these events. One of my favourite moments of the 20th century is the fall of the Berlin wall, people on both sides of the border working together to end an oppressive system and bring in democracy. For me that moment represents that even after all the darkness and atrocities of the 20th century, hope prevailed and if we succeed we too can wrestle a better world from this mess.
 

Vault101

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oh great....you too? I just a read an article...anyway

I wouldn't say that "more" things are going on now than before (well except the 90's), things have always been turbulent somehow somewhere....(I just finished reading a book about all that shit that went down in the Congo way back when)

thats not to say the things happening now aren't important, they are, particually global warming and the rise of automation I think will be our biggest world challenges

I think in this day and age we are less liley to aproach war like we did a milenia ago, 100 years ago you might have found yourself compelled to go to a war in the name of king and country without stopping to question "why"

NinjaDeathSlap said:
Am I simply getting paranoid, or are there others among you who have been wondering the same thing, and what, if anything, are we to do about it all?
I think your just noticing things in an adult context for the first time

kind of liek this was the first time I ever took notice of our governments budget and how it might affect me

Irony said:
I imagine there have been plenty of moments like this in history where the average person (who was aware of the larger geopolitical situation) wondered if "the world as we know it" would be ending soon. Well "as we know it" could certainly ring true, but "the world" I think will continue spinning. Remember that it was only a century ago that Europe was just plunged into a war the likes of which humanity had never seen before and a mere 25 years later an even larger war raged across the globe..
I'm actually surprised we didn't go full nuclear

but I guess nukes aren't really good for anyone....
 

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I imagine there have been plenty of moments like this in history where the average person (who was aware of the larger geopolitical situation) wondered if "the world as we know it" would be ending soon. Well "as we know it" could certainly ring true, but "the world" I think will continue spinning. Remember that it was only a century ago that Europe was just plunged into a war the likes of which humanity had never seen before and a mere 25 years later an even larger war raged across the globe. Could an even larger war be on our current horizon? Possibility, the turmoil and tension is certainly present and with our current military technology it could prove to leave the largest impact in written history if we aren't lucky. Of course the world seemed dead-set on such a war for close to half a century not that long ago, but now we simply aren't that polarized (thankfully) anymore. I think we'll ultimately ride out the storm, I just hope after it's all over we're in a better situation as a species.
 

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No, the world has definitely gone to shit, and I can't even stand watching the news anymore.

Global conflicts and horrific movements like ISIS aside, the thing I find most depressing (as a leftist) is actually the economics of the world: global capitalism goes unchallenged in an unprecendented manner, which has led to much sharper inequality and hyper-competitive landscape with begger-thy-neighbour policies. We've aggressively promoted a) sweatshop labour standards b) de-regulated, unnacountable finance c) globalisation d) low tax for what seems like an age now, and we've now got to lie in the beds we've made for ourselves - as welfare states of old, which delivered pensions, full employment, liveable wages, job security, affordable housing, subsidised utilities and free healthcare, become significantly endangered in this dystopia we've helped create.
 

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God, I hope not. I'm paranoid enough as it is, I don't need this sort of thing to worry about... And my cynicism towards current matters really doesn't help...
 

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"Murder, crime, poverty, these things don't concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra."
 

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"Murder, crime, poverty, these things don't concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra."
 

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There are real horrors going on right now, no question about it.

The end of the world?

...That might be a bit much.

I'm sure people who saw the Black Plague tearing Europe apart thought as much, or those who saw their homes torn apart by Huns, Mongols, Visigoths, etc. Or those close to the front lines of either of the World Wars, or those (like me) who lived through the last throes of the Cold War.

Short of the Ukraine situation going nuclear- something that never happened in all of the Cold War, despite some pretty terrifying provocations and games of chicken- I think the world will continue.

National borders may change, nations may fall, a lot of people may die; I don't mean to trivialize any of that. Good reasons to hug your family and tell your friends you care about them, all. But while current events will likely mean the end of some of us, I don't see any reason to believe they will be the end of Us.
 

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Well, yesterday I watched a man literally saw another mans head off.... something I never thought I would see. Obviously, this was on the internet. I'm pretty sure most people know I'm talking of the beheading of those 2 journalists.
 

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We didn't start the fire. It's been burning since the worlds been turning.

I could have predicted this years ago. Actually I did. Idiots marched into Iraq, and now its falling apart. I'm surprised that they're surprised. Honestly, this is pretty normal. The worlds always been a dangerous place. Would you rather see the Cold War? Vietnam? The Great Leap Forward, or the Cultural Revolution? WW2? WW1? Colonialism? Enslavement? The revolutions of the 1700's and 1800's, where all of Europe was fighting over the ideas of liberty and monarchy? The Dark Ages?

This is a pretty good time to be alive. Major changes are happening, and that's scary, but the good news is that YOU can have a hand in how it changes. Find who you are. Fight for what you believe. You don't have to be a slave to the hand of fate. You can shape the world with everyone else, even in a small way.
 

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Personally I'm not calling it game over until the nukes go airborne, but it definitely isn't the greatest situation to look at. It might be a long while before most of the dust settles back down so we might as well just make the most of what we got while we still have it.
 
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Seems appropriate . . . .


OT: On a serious note, while there ARE quite a few things we should worry about and try to deal with, it hasn't come to a "game over" moment yet. Even if the worst predictions I've toyed with in my head (the events in the Ukraine or the western Pacific devolve into WWIII, the outbreak of international epidemics as antibiotics lose their effectiveness, a significant drop in available food production because of climate change, peak oil causing another international Great Depression, etc., etc., etc.*) humanity will likely survive in some form of civilization of another.

And even if we wipe ourselves out, the planet will keep on spinning and new life will evolve to replace the old.

*Why yes, I have a very cynical and pessimistic view of the universe and of humanity in general, how did you guess? :D
 

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Despite all that's going on right now, I still believe we are living in one of the most peaceful times in human history, or at the very least the modern history. True, a lot of shit is happening around the world, but there are no political players on the board that would benefit from large scale hostilities between multiple developed countries. There is nothing for anyone to gain from such an event as it stands. Political leaders that "just want to see the world burn" only exist in bad spy movies, and unless something radical happens soon, the board won't change anytime soon. :)
 

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Vault101 said:
I think in this day and age we are less liley to aproach war like we did a milenia ago, 100 years ago you might have found yourself compelled to go to a war in the name of king and country without stopping to question "why"
That might've been the case in WW1, but the reason WW2 became... WW2 was because no one wanted to go to war untill America suddenly realized 'Holy shit, Germany took over all of Europe and a large chunk of Russia, guess we better do something now. Those Japanese aren't looking too nice either'

The Kremlin and Poetin are paranoid assholes who believe NATO has tanks at their border ready to invade. These people live in a different world. They also likely want to divert the Russian public's attention from the goings on in their own country by painting the rest of the world as enemies that the hero Poetin is now taking a stand against. The fact they were allowed to invade Ukraine with only economic sanctions as a result shows how little Europe is prepared for a warmongering country. And this fact is kinda worrying, especially if you live in one of the Baltic states.
 

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Not really.

Look at the last 100 years.

WW1, awful flu epidemic, Great Depression, WW2, the Cold War.

Things are much, much better now. There's an awful lot of terrible stuff going on, but rather less than usual.
 

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DaWaffledude said:
Eh, as long as no one launches nukes, we'll recover. We always do.
Even if they do, we still will. It'll take us quite some time, and be extremely nasty in the meantime, but give use a few centuries, maybe a millennia, and we'll forget the whole thing ever happened.
 

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Aside from the Russia thing, I wouldn't say anything will change much.

ISIS is a bit shitty, but its the result of the west messing with the Middle East in the first place.

Scotland's independance could go either way still. Being from Scotland, I'm personally agaisnt it (I live in the Repubkic Of Ireland, and have seen the results of a poorly managed, small republic, and I have no faith in the SNPs ability to run a country).

But any changed we see won't be for a long time. Hell, assuming you're English you should be FOR Scottish independance. Scotland is a massive drain on England's economy.