The Escapist's Game of the Year 2012

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Atmos Duality said:
Hargrimm said:
So you've resorted to ignoring the logic behind my points out of convenience, deliberately misrepresented my points, insult me by feigning ignorance, resort to technobabble semantics, and saying I don't know what I'm talking about without providing a lick of proof.
Don't bother listing any examples, your word is enough right?
Technobabble semantics? We're dealing with math here. learn it. Start here, here and here.


Atmos Duality said:
I remain unconvinced that a consensus is implicit, and that any sort of single elimination, "bracket-style" system would achieve anything but faulty results through double dipping/voter overlap, and choices that might not reflect the truth.
There you go again with bracket-styles. Ever heard of Instant-runoff voting? The Schulze-method? No?

Doesn't matter, this conversation is over anyway.
 

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Yay, ME3 gets game of the year (the ending sucked, blah blah blah).

But the rest of the numbers are really weird. Black Ops, Panderia, and Diablo 3 got less than Hotline Miami? Just no. The Escapist needs to change their voting system because this is too off.
Actually, I'm not that surprised by the low percentages for those 3 - CoD is DESPISED around here (from my observations - correct me if I'm wrong) and Blizzard in general doesn't seem to be well liked either.
 

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AnarchistFish said:
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That doesn't really counter his point. People who disliked the ending are gonna be the ones who both comment over and over about it and the ones who vote in these polls.
We've already had this argument innumerable times, and each time, the people who defend the game come up with the same nonsensical arguments. 65,000 votes in favor of anything, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, and especially when it's the clear majority by a long shot, is a definite indicator where the tastes of the fanbase at large lie.
yeah no. All it shows is that there was a large backlash. Not whether it was a majority or not. How is that a nonsensical argument?
I'll post the same thing that I (and a user before me) posted on the topic:

No no no, that's not how this works. You don't get to use terms like "As we all know" or "For your information" and then hide behind the shield of "everything is opinion". A fact is that a poll with almost 100,000 respondents discussing opinions about the ending shortly after the game launched showed 90% of people unhappy with it. That's a self-selecting sample, obviously, which is why sensible people don't run around claiming that 90% of all people hated the ending, but it's the closest thing to objective evidence you have on the subject. You have nothing to support 90% of people liking it aside from your own bias, so that can't even be opinion...that's just fantasy. It's just wild speculation, based on nothing but your own indulgence in the fallacy of the silent majority.
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I'll tell you this much: up here in Canada, we typically get polling during election seasons by Ipsos-Reid, a nationally-recognized surveying/consulting firm that is hired by just about everyone to ensure fair and balanced polling. They ask similar questions to the original poll ("How satisfied were you with x?", "Did you feel that x was not up to standard?"). They would kill for a poll that has 100,000 votes. There are so few polls that have a response of that magnitude, outside politics, that it's an anomaly.

100,000 votes of anything, with such a clear majority, shows you a near-universal trend for a question, product or service.

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Because it's exactly that - one poll. Of the other information I've read about the game over the last few months (judging from responses by people who actually work in the stat industry, and as I mentioned earlier in this post), the consumer confidence for the ME brand has fallen roughly 40% between March and October. Add to that the general trend that one vote represents 10X its value in word-of-mouth/referral, and you start to see where the general discontent of the game comes from. Every anecdotal piece of evidence seen over the last year supports this notion. Gamestop was reporting a record number of returns for the game (and its unit price dropped sharply -in half - soon after release, which is almost unheard of). The DLC sales are, according to those who actually track the XBox and PSN charts, nowhere near what they were for ME1 or ME2. The Mass Effect Trilogy rerelease was a complete dud in terms of sales, despite having a big marketing push. The sales, if we're to take VGChartz as gospel, shows that 3 did better than ME1 but worse than ME2 in lifetime sales to date, which is not good considering EA made a massive marketing push and had the same time spent in development.
Point is, the original argument was nonsensical and easily disproven.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
Eh, ME3 wasn't all that bad up til the end.
...Well, apart from the multiplayer. That bit was Asshole Central.

Disappointing, and somewhat hypocritical choice, given how we had a solid month of bitching about the game.
People bitched because they loved the game.
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
1-Popular votes are always bombed by fan communities, i know for a fact BSN has vote for Mass Effect threads.
As far as I seen there were no "Vote for ME 3" on these forums. On top of that, with the hate this game has been recieving I would expext any attempt to do so would be met with a backlash.

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2-In the gamespot goty poll it takes like 6000 votes to win, not sure about the escapist..
You got a point there. I would be curious to know the number of participants. Still, considering ME3 overcame 20 other titles, with several others being AAA darlings of the community, the fact it won at all is remarkable.

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3-If there was a biggest disappointment of 2012 ME3 and Assassin's boredom 3 would have a 2 way battle for it.
Again this is an opinion and one a lot of people apparently do and don't agree with. The game is absolutely contraversial. Those that have disdain for it are numerous and vocal, but those that really enjoyed ME3 have been less so. Its the old adage that people will complain more about their dissatisfaction more than those that are perfectly satisfied.
 

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I'm a bit disappointed that my pick, Borderlands 2, didn't score better. Oh well, at least I get the consolation that there are plenty of other people who realize that ME3 was great, despite the undoubtedly crap-tastic ending.
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
BSN is the Bioware forums, not the escapist, go and see for yourself, whenever there is a popular vote they have threads pointing directly to it...
I don't know about the others communities (probably the same, just smaller), but they are definitely in the bussiness of "making their game win", and with suppoused low totals... do the math...

I haven't played most of the games on this list, just ME3, AssCreed3 and Far Cry (got Spec Ops now, after hearing so much about it), voted for Far Cry... the contenders don't have the same starting point, ME3 even with lots of haters has a better starting point than most, if not all of them.

You can probably include Hitman:Absolution too, but among AAA titles ME3 and AC3 got the most backslash, by far not necessarily bad games, but didn't capture the magic of their predecessors.
I did the math. And it all makes sense. Your Reaction is equal to your Denial that people enjoyed this game + Annoyance that it ranked number one multiplied by the number of (forum+facebook+youtube) posts where you complained about the ending. or R = (D + A)(F+FB+YT)

ME 3 GOTY fair and sqaure.
 

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Hmmm, interesting. Very Interesting.

If I had cast my vote I would have voted for Mass Effect 3 aswell, but if I asked myself why I'd say it was an awesome series. A trilogy that 'builds up' the way the three mass effect games did was always going to reflect it's entirety on the final episode.

So Mass Effect 3 was a great game, but I'd vote for it only because it was a great Trilogy. Far Cry 3 was a great game... well it was great the first time around. Second time the anticipation was kinda dead xD Oh and that second ending was terrible! Still a great game though.

ANYWAY! I'm glad ME3 won. It deserved to win, for itself and the two prior games that built it up. It'll take another 5+ years before a game can build itself up as high as Mass Effect did.

(Also... what's Walking Dead? I'm assuming it has zombies as it has the word 'Dead' in it. Is it based off of that series I've been hearing about? I don't think it shows in this country... or it does and I don't have that channel. If it got such high ratings I'd thought I'd have heard about it... Weird. Very Weird.)
 

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You know a year was crap when one of the most hated games in recent memory is even a candidate for game of the year.
 

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Well, XCOM is mine, but hey ME3 was a good game. Disappointed with the ending, but it was a wild ride for 80% of its length.
 

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Having not played anything from the Mass Effect series, I have to take this win with a grain of salt. I think many of the other titles deserved it a lot more, but I might have said differently if I'd played it. I highly doubt it, but it's not an impossibility.

That said, I'm really glad Borderlands 2, The Walking Dead and Far Cry 3 were right up there, whereas titles like COD:Blops 2 were right down below.
 

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Huh, you'd think with all the ME3 whining, it would be lower. Personally I think The Walking Dead deserves it more.
TBH I actually voted for Journey........... But I don't disagree with your statement. But I would like to take this moment to point out that the soon to be defunct G4TV didn't even have Walking Dead as a nominee.
 

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I really enjoyed Dishonored, especially my ghost, clean hands and mostly flesh and steel play through. I'm playing it a 2nd time to get the high chaos ending now. One thing I'm surprised is all the negativity I have heard about Mass Effect 3 and yet here it is first place. I haven't played it so I can't say personally.
Also The Walking Dead was also a great game.
 

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Huh, you'd think with all the ME3 whining, it would be lower. Personally I think The Walking Dead deserves it more.
I've played it and I don't see what the big deal is with the walking dead game. You can;t really say choices because the events will occur regardless of what you choose. For example, whethener or not you cut the guys leg off with the ax doesn't matter, someone else will do it. Leave the cannibals alive? They will get eaten. It's not even that great a story.
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
tyriless said:
I did the math. And it all makes sense. Your Reaction is equal to your Denial that people enjoyed this game + Annoyance that it ranked number one multiplied by the number of (forum+facebook+youtube) posts where you complained about the ending. or R = (D + A)(F+FB+YT)

ME 3 GOTY fair and sqaure.
I know people enjoyed this game, a lot of people enjoy Transformers...
If you wanna get into an argument, use your brain instead of giving a troll response, then again no surprise a ME3 lover resort to trolling, makes sense...

And btw, i never complained about the ending, never cared actually... i was pissed at this game for ditching it's RPG roots (dialog wheel auto Shepard) and going straight to action shooter.
Ah, so your value of R is quite low then which would put you in the "meh" range. That and I likely have to revise the equation to factor in "Forgot your Roots!" malcontentment.

As far as film comparisons, I would put this more on the level of Dark Knight Rises. They both are both final entries in a trilogy. Also they follow the same characters through a chronological story with a questionable villian and a derided ending. Both the film and the game received wide-spread critical and fan appeal, but certainly has their share of detractors. In addition, they also come after a well regarded middle entry that greatly surpassed the original.

About your BSN comment, from a quick search I likely found the post you were talking about. On it, there was no call to vote for the game. He just listed the sites that had ranked the ME 3 as their game of the year or top contender, but he did include sites that had open polls for voting GOTY. However, I again reiterate, he didn't ask for anyone to vote for the game. Yes, you can surmise that someone might of might of rushed to vote for ME 3 (mind you there were multiple polls listed so that person would have to register with each sight), but I wanted to draw a distintion between the vote bating you implied happened and a forum posting to show what sights were carrying Mass Effect content. Postings like this are not unusual and I doubt it had the impact you are concerned with.
 

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This year must've been a fairly shit year for games if Mass Effect 3 and Walking Dead are the two top picks.

One's a story that failed to deliver upon two games of build-up in the worst and most insulting way possible and the other is a game with very little actual gameplay backing it.

Happy New Year, may 2013 have games that are less shit.