The FBI Needs You to Solve this Code

FlashHero

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doggie015 said:
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Never thought the FBI could be stumped by a code. Can't they just digitize it and brute-force it or something?
suppose Eve intercepts Alice's ciphertext: "EQNVZ". If Eve had infinite computing power, she would quickly find that the key "XMCKL" would produce the plaintext "HELLO", but she would also find that the key "TQURI" would produce the plaintext "LATER", an equally plausible message:

Thats why :).

More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
 

CHIMP MAGNET

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Mccormick? like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_McCormick this couldn't be some kind of incredibly dedicated south park fan could it?
 

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The worst part with stuff like this is; you might have the right deciphering scheme around, but what if you don't recognise it as correct because the original message was written in a language alien to you?

Luckily supercomputers can cross check each result against word lists for all known languages, and I am sure the FBI has already done that before dismissing stuff.
Right...? :p
 

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Greg Tito said:
If you have any ideas or know of a system that works like McCormick's does, write to Olson at the following snail mail address:
...He wants to be contacted via snail mail? No wonder they haven't solved this yet.
 

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HankMan said:
I'm pretty sure we've got someone here who can solve this, especially after that Puzzle adventure thing.
This story reminds me of the sculpture that resides at the CIA headquarters called Kryptos that holds similar lines of text. The artist, Jim Sanborn, assumed that the code would be broken within a year or two of the sculpture installation in 1990 but he's still dropping hints 20 years later so that the message is solved before he dies.
No one has solved it because they don't let people near the dam thing anymore.
did they ever let anyone near it?

<a href=http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/ff_kryptos?currentPage=all>you can see the entire text of Kryptos here.
 

ultratog1028

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damn. I don't even know were to start. Reminds me that browser game Torment. 3 years and noone has beat it.
 

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Greg Tito said:
It may seem strange that the best code-breakers in the country are stumped by a code that a high school dropout could devise, but solving ciphers is never a simple process.
This is clearly not your average high school dropout. These people, these "best code-breakers in the country", could break your average high school dropout's code in a fraction of a second. If they can't break it, there's a very good chance that he's using some known incredibly-secure method of encryption. He could have used a one-time pad for instance, which would make his code quite literally unbreakable. (I saw someone said they're "supposed to be unbreakable". They're completely unbreakable. It isn't that we can't think of a good way to break them, it's that you can give a proof showing them to be unbreakable. A basic knowledge of math and cryptanalysis combined with some thought makes it pretty obvious as to how.)

Further cryptanalysis issues: brute-forcing a code is useless against a one-time pad or any similar cipher because you'll find close to an infinite number of plausible messages with no way to know which one is the right one. Brute forcing even a relatively bad modern cipher is also essentially impossible at this point. Someone mentioned quantum computing, but quantum computing isn't projected to provide speeds anywhere close to necessary to make the problem tractable, we're talking computational problems that are several orders of magnitude beyond computational speeds we can even imagine. In cryptanalysis, you don't, as a rule, ever hope that brute forcing will actually work against modern ciphers, you find some way to massively cut-down on the number of possibilities. There's some pattern to anything that isn't a one-time pad (or other ciphers mathematically equivalent to a one-time pad), so it really comes down to finding such a pattern. Usually, these patterns are disguised by mathematical manipulation as part of the cipher, but given how short these messages are, it'd be hard to hide much.

I'd also honestly wonder if there isn't some form of steganography involved. Clever steganography would render code-breaking completely useless and it isn't really particularly hard to come up with simple schemes. Less dramatic examples would be things like: the code actually deciphers to strings of numbers, only one of which is significant and only a handful of people would know how or why it's significant. Not only would the message remain hidden, code-breakers would have no way to know they'd solved the cipher. Remarkably simple and easy for a high-school dropout to devise.

TL;DR: These people are not bad at code-breaking and it's unlikely that they're simply failing to find a difficult code. It's more likely that the code is either mathematically (one-time pad) or logically (intelligent steganography) impossible to break.
 

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It's the secret recipe to grandma's home made cookies. If he had of wrote it down unencoded he would have had his kneecaps broken.
 

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I'm guessing this is going to be one of those horribly complicated multiple encrypted things i.e to encrypt it he did:

Plain text->encrypted once->encrypted text is then encrypted again->encrypted text is then ecrypted again and so on.

If that is the case then this could potentially never be solved without a way of either a) reading the guys mind for the memorized ciphers or b) finding a notebook or the like where he wrote down the keys. Seeing as the FBI has been on this case a while B is probably not a possibility.

Either way I just heard the sudden intake of breath from puzzle enthusiasts, hackers and mystery fans across the internet.
 

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This reminds me of the Zodiac Killer case, they never did get anything useful out of those things.
 

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1.It's the time-travel code bender from futurama uses to go back in time, but it only sent he consciousness and not his body.
2.It's a working universal key generator(to WoW-timecards, Microsoft programs, PC games that still use CD Keys)
3.P T R and SE seems to repeat a lot, he could be trying to rebuild a car and these are the VINs of parts the "Notes page" definitely says 36 miles 74Sprks and 99.84s Zune
4. The chemical formula for Ovaltine and process from cocoa plant to kitchen drink.
 

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This is legit. I've seen this on TV before. If this kind of stuff interests you, yon internets, you might also enjoy this...


http://www.cracked.com/article_18459_the-5-creepiest-unsolved-crimes-nobody-can-explain.html
 

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Well, if the FBI hasn't figured it out in 12 years, then I highly doubt someone in the public will figure it out.
Besides, it could just be gibberish the guy left behind to piss people off.
Or, it could contain forbidden knowledge that if discovered, would drive all humans insane.
 

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Looks like a one-time cypher: the letters likely represent a specific word or letter on a code sheet of either this man's or somebody else's device. Nobody will be able to solve it unless you have the original code sheet.

Good luck anyway.
 

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Jaime_Wolf said:
I'd also honestly wonder if there isn't some form of steganography involved. Clever steganography would render code-breaking completely useless and it isn't really particularly hard to come up with simple schemes. Less dramatic examples would be things like: the code actually deciphers to strings of numbers, only one of which is significant and only a handful of people would know how or why it's significant. Not only would the message remain hidden, code-breakers would have no way to know they'd solved the cipher. Remarkably simple and easy for a high-school dropout to devise.
Ah, you beat me to the steganography thought. Seriously, if this is some sort of shorthand writing following a pattern only the writer knew (possible if he was just keeping notes, as opposed to passing messages), the chances of it being cracked borders on the infinitesimal.