The Felicia Day/Destructoid situation

[Moonlight Butterfly]

My immature sense of humor aside, you get the feeling that these guys, uh... don't really date much?

I do get the feeling that there is some level of resentment yeah.

Lol at your idea I think that would be hilarious.

 

[Cheesepower5]

In another thread on this forum a guy is like 'I hate this girl for showing off her rig on youtube. She is just doing it for attention' and then points out that the reason it annoys him is because she is attractive...

Like it is her fault she is pretty or something. Would you make a youtube video and put yourself out there in public without looking your best?

It should tell you how juvenile I can get that the thought crossed my mind to hit the gym harder just so I could parody these clueless little boys by showing off my rig while shirtless and making cheesy poses and close-ups of my ass.

My immature sense of humor aside, you get the feeling that these guys, uh... don't really date much?

This post confuses me about your gender. What is a rig, exactly? Breasts? Abs? PC? How does this parody clueless little boys, exactly? That's an odd term to throw at douchebag teenagers shouting slander into the shit-filled void of YouTube's comment section.

Yeah, I know a lot of people who do that sort of shit. They're not these degenerate, constant virgin troglodytes you're all picturing. They're the douchebag kids who act all tough and wigger, the quiet kid muttering curses under their breaths and normal people who think they're funny. And a lot more, probably, but that's where I've sampled from and the types that seem to appear on YouTube.

 

[BleedingPride]

she tries to contribute, therefore she is part of the community and should be respected as such.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

[This post confuses me about your gender. What is a rig, exactly?

A rig is what you game on usually used in reference to a PC setup that you have built yourself.

Pretty good name for boobs too I guess lol.

 

[clangunn]

[This post confuses me about your gender. What is a rig, exactly?

A rig is what you game on usually used in reference to a PC setup that you have built yourself.

Pretty good name for boobs too I guess lol.

I thought it was a lovely double entendre! Claim credit for it

 

[Cheesepower5]

This post confuses me about your gender. What is a rig, exactly? Breasts? Abs? PC? How does this parody clueless little boys, exactly? That's an odd term to throw at douchebag teenagers shouting slander into the shit-filled void of YouTube's comment section.

I'm a guy. The thought just popped into my head that if a person wanted to whore for attention while claiming to be a gamer in order to make it look like they weren't whoring for attention, wouldn't they go to greater lengths than just showering before turning on the camera and showing off their PC/custom Xbox case/whatever? Whole point being, "This is what an attention whore would look like, boys."

Bad joke? Yeah. But my usual approach to comedy is to say really filthy and sarcastic things until someone laughs, so I'm a bit out of my element.

I'm probably at fault here, I was looking for a crude reference where you just meant a computer.

Filth and sarcasm don't translate well over the internet, which is sad, because they're a big part of my life.

 

[TheMagicLemur]

It's not what you say, is how you said it.

Did he had any validity to his questions? Perhaps. Was he professional about posing these questions? Absolu-fucking-lutely not.

He deserverd to get canned for it, because in lieu of being "the voice of gamers" he was a douche. You can make the same questioning and rise the same topic with much better arguments and without being a dick.

A-fucking-men.

Context is extremely important, and this guy was being a smug jackass.

For my part, I hardly think she's a glorified Booth Babe. That shitty "journalist" who's puffy face they hamfistedly put into ME3, now THERE's a glorified booth babe...

 

[quysspe]

Sometimes, the quantity of white knight amongst gamers makes me want to punch babies.

I don't give a fuck about Felicia Day or Ryan Perez, and neither should anyone else, I mean, I'm pretty sure that she didn't even react to this and it was all just mass white knighting that led to the firing.

He was attacking one person, not a whole gender, this never would have happened if she was a guy.

Someone questions some random chick about her validity and essentially accuses her of nerd baiting, whatever, I don't know enough about her to comment, but then billions of you cunts run in and "OMG SEXIST, DEFEND THE QUEEN, MYSOGYNIST PIGS" and basically force the guy to get fired. For fucking nothing, he's a fucking journalist, it's his job to have opinions.

Then you get the same pathetic losers who no doubt don't understand "why don't girls date me when I'm always so nice and respectful to them, girls only want assholes" tweeting at her apologising for their gender (how fucking pathetic can you get), and leaving all kinds of "sorry girls, we're not all like that" comments everywhere.

Please try and give less of a fuck about some random chick who doesn't even need your fucking help.

Yes I mad

Rant over, goodnight.

Today I learned that it's only sexist if you're being an ass to all women. Oh, and that firing someone who calls a woman a glorified booth babe is about defending the woman, not about solving our industry's problem with sexism. Because an individual can't be sexist to another individual.

 

[Nero18]

It's not what you say, is how you said it.

Did he had any validity to his questions? Perhaps. Was he professional about posing these questions? Absolu-fucking-lutely not.

He deserverd to get canned for it, because in lieu of being "the voice of gamers" he was a douche. You can make the same questioning and rise the same topic with much better arguments and without being a dick.

A-fucking-men.

Context is extremely important, and this guy was being a smug jackass.

For my part, I hardly think she's a glorified Booth Babe. That shitty "journalist" who's puffy face they hamfistedly put into ME3, now THERE's a glorified booth babe...

Theres no doubt that the guy was being a total douchebag about it. The way he asks these questions are just wicked and stupid, reminds of the piece on Mega64 were they kid around about Felicia. Ofc those guys were joking and mocking people like Ryan Perez. But i really think its totally wrong to fire this guy for having his opinion. To me (non-american) its funny how they try to fight sexism by taking this guys freedom of speech away. You might be gaining something but your losing something way more important.

Its also clear that these are all Ryans opinions and not Destructoid. Also how they are not anti-women.

 

[TheMagicLemur]

Theres no doubt that the guy was being a total douchebag about it. The way he asks these questions are just wicked and stupid, reminds of the piece on Mega64 were they kid around about Felicia. Ofc those guys were joking and mocking people like Ryan Perez. But i really think its totally wrong to fire this guy for having his opinion. To me (non-american) its funny how they try to fight sexism by taking this guys freedom of speech away. You might be gaining something but your losing something way more important.

Its also clear that these are all Ryans opinions and not Destructoid. Also how they are not anti-women.

When you are very publicly associated with, say, a game journalism site, and you make shitty comments involving videogames and someone who may or may not be involved with videogames in a public forum (Twitter), you are representing that site with your statements whether you intend to or not. No one took his freedom of speech away. He wasn't locked in jail or put in the stockades. Destructoid felt (rightly) that he made the site look bad as a representative of it, and decided to distance itself from him.

Freedom of speech means the government can't censor you for dissenting. It does NOT mean freedom from all consequence.

Regarding sexism: Yeah, they aren't misogynistic comments, but I will say it seems a woman has to work very hard to "prove her worth" in the boy's club that is "gamer culture".

 

[Nero18]

When you are very publicly associated with, say, a game journalism site, and you make shitty comments involving videogames and someone who may or may not be involved with videogames in a public forum (Twitter), you are representing that site with your statements whether you intend to or not. No one took his freedom of speech away. He wasn't locked in jail or put in the stockades. Destructoid felt (rightly) that he made the site look bad as a representative of it, and decided to distance itself from him.

Freedom of speech means the government can't censor you for dissenting. It does NOT mean freedom from all consequence.

Regarding sexism: Yeah, they aren't misogynistic comments, but I will say it seems a woman has to work very hard to "prove her worth" in the boy's club that is "gamer culture".

I still believe that Destructoid has no right to fire him because of this. Sure the government isnt stepping in or something but the next time some game-journalist wants to tweet about something he/she has to think about the fact that they might get fired. Indirectly the company sets up its own rules of freedom. I personally dislike Destructoid more after this than i dislike Ryan to be honest. I know that if this would happen in my country (sweden) im sure the media would follow the story with great focus. The company doesnt have rights to fire because of opinion. Especially in this case were the opinion in itself isnt to extreme, just how it took shape is terrible.

To me the comments were very specific about this one person and cannot be compared to the entire gender. The question as i see it is "I see you all the time, why are you famous? Or why should you be famous?". The same question that we ask ourselves about many other celebs.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

She's kind of just a geek icon. Gets into enough stuff, and is actually into the stuff she's in, and popular enough that she kind of gets to be a flagbearer.

As to her contributions to gaming...well...I forgive her for Mark of the Assassin, even if it was terrible and made spaghetti out of stapled lore, and am not opposed to her doing voice work, but find she kind of works best in an awkward-but-cute kind of way. Not the golden goddess of geekdom that she was viewed as, a year or so ago, but a reasonable female geek celebrity.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

*shrugs*

I can understanding wanting to have your own personal opinions and biases, but you know where you should share them?

Maybe in emails. Maybe in a chat room. You know where not? Places like Twitter and Facebook, where everyone can read that crap and it never goes away.

You'd think that after the Spoony and Channel Awesome debacle, people would stop doing stupid stuff like this on Twitter.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Recently Destructoid writer Ryan Perez made a couple comments about Felicia Day on his Twitter account

''Ryan?s questions to Felicia were as follows: ?I keep seeing [you] everywhere. Question: Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to gaming, besides ?personality?? could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don?t seem to add anything creative to the medium.?''

Following total uproar Ryan was pressured into resigning from his position with Destructoid as D-toid issued apologies to Miss Day. Other figures such as Adam Baldwin and Wil Wheaton have come out in support of Felicia. But quite frankly...isn't he right? What of substance has she contributed to the gaming medium?

While some of his comments could be interpreted as insulting he made a valid point that much of the gaming community has echoed previously. And besides that,it was his private Twitter which was in no way associated with D-toid and he never claimed he spoke for D-toid. People now flock to his Twitter, calling him ''sick'' and a ''misogynist'' (the latter is quite confusing as he never made any comment that was anti-woman,simply anti-Day). Does a man deserve to lose his job for some opinions he holds privately?

More people making a big thing out of nothing. People seem to always be so protective of any women in the industry that is criticized.

 

[MrMan999]

Didn't Felica Day star in that Terrible Dragon Age 2 DLC?

 

[George Francis Gaspar]

Is Felicia Day cool? I think so.
Does she play video games? Yep.

The question about "contributing to the video game community" is vague, I feel. Felicia Day is not a programmer, and so is Ryan Perez. I dunno...I just think he was being an idiot by wording his Tweet wrong. Do I feel Felicia Day does nothing for the community? Not really, but I believe it isn't just her. I feel like Spike TV's VG Awards don't contribute positively to the video game community if you think about it.

Mr. Perez brings up an interesting point about our community, but it got jumbled up in a perceived sexist attack.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

This is why you should be sober before going online. Drunken tweets only bring pain and misery.

OT:

I really have to ask, is this Ryan Perez that influential? Some guy on the internet thinks an actor is overrated. Add a yellow background or some geek trivia and you have Yahtzee or Moviebob.

Yes, calling Felicia Day a booth babe was pretty stupid, but why is this such a big deal? It was on twitter, not a full written column. You don't go to twitter for thoughtful and engaging discussions.

Is the gaming community so insecure in its treatment of women that it needs a scapegoat for a manufactured controversy?

 

[Masterdebator]

Sooo... did she respond?

I mean, it's a personal attack of course (rather rude, but I'd hardly consider it an attack on women (unless Ms. Day apparently represents an entire gender all of a sudden)), but there's still a question there at the end of the day.

So again, did she respond?

 

[FarleShadow]

The sad thing is that men and women continue to draw lines between themselves, then blame the other for their differences.

 

[Dante DiVongola]

Felicia Day is as much a gamer as any 'gamer girl' who think that playing Mario games and having played a Legend of Zelda game when they were a kid makes them qualify for the position. She's probably contributed to gaming the same way she's contributed to being a good actress. Hell, fucking Kirsten Stewart (idk if I spelled her name right, but it's Twilight *****) could out act Felicia Day and that's saying something.