The force: really all that?
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Jedi have a stupid code that means it's only alright to kill someone in a fair fight and even then it's frowned upon. I mean Luke refused to kill Vader and the emperor, the big chicken. ...Sith have the right attitude...
So a Light side master is only a light side master if they don't do anything? To just become a ghost and sit in the corner providing cryptic hints and serving as the pep squad for the living jedi.Alex_P said:
That logic is the reason it is so fun blasting Jedi in games like battlefront.
I dare anyone to say that Jedi's "suck" after playing KOTOR and KOTOR 2. Those Jedi and Sith would waste Vader, Yoda, The Emperor, and Obi Wan all combined at the same time. The Force Lightening in that game alone at level 3 would devastate all those fools. Not to mention Force Scream at level 3, Force Whirl Wind at level 3 and other Force Powers like that. Also, Jedi can actually heal wounds with their Force Powers in KOTOR. No Jedi an do that in the old Star Wars movies, not even Yoda. KOTOR Jedi and Sith make the ones from the movies look like bitches.
True that.L.B. Jeffries said:
No. It's kinda zen. You do what you need to do, no more and no less. Small actions can have big results, you just have to be able to see the world with remarkable depth and clarity in order to choose the right action for the right moment. Becoming a "Force ghost" is symbolic of the Jedi's mystical unity with the Force itself ("There is no death, there is only the Force").hypothetical fact said:
Again, this isn't the only way "Light-siders" act, but the movies and some of the EU do imply that this kind of mindset is superior to vanilla Jedi busybody self-discipline -- which is why the old Jedi Order is wayward and decadent in its own way (and so easily destroyed), even though they're "the good guys".
-- Alex
I've always seen the force to be like a gun: when a cop uses a gun, they use it sparingly, and as a last resort. When a psycho-killer uses the gun, then they use it all the time for any reason whatsoever.
Agreed, simply for what Darth Nihilus managed to do. [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihilus]jamesc said:
Yeah, he was way less powerful when you fight him than he should have been. Still, his origins were impressive all the same.axia777 said:
They don't use the Force like that because it's -wrong-. Think about it; Obi-Wan Kenobi said that the Force was an "energy field made up of all living beings". So, in a sense, using the Force is using the energy of life. And for all the Jedi know, every time they use the Force, they might kill a kitten in some far-reaching corner of the galaxy. Therefore, using the Force in situations in which it isn't necessary is deadly.
Also, I'll point to Kreia from KOTOR II: She constantly told you to watch for the ripples your actions caused in the Force. Who knows what kind of ripples actually using the Force might have caused?
Note: This is in no way canon, I bullshitted my way through this. It sorta makes sense to me though.
Also, I'll point to Kreia from KOTOR II: She constantly told you to watch for the ripples your actions caused in the Force. Who knows what kind of ripples actually using the Force might have caused?
Note: This is in no way canon, I bullshitted my way through this. It sorta makes sense to me though.
Force is awesome. The Force Unleashed is a horrible example of Force powers. Take a look at Jacen Solo, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Darth Bane, and the others. They could do some pretty impressive shit. Besides, even if you could "only" move a starfighter with your mind like in Force Unleashed, that's still pretty goddamn impressive.
Remember "size matters not"?
It's not just a catchy little slogan to inspired Luke to lift the X-Wing because Luke happens to be powerful enough to lift an X-Wing but needs a confidence booster. Size is truly not an obstacle (beyond, y'know, your own belief that it matters). If you truly perceive all things in the Force, you can do anything. Mass is irrelevant. You can move a Star Destroyer with the same ease and grace that you employ to move a pebble or an X-Wing.
But that's not all of it. If you truly understand that "size matters not", you know that the X-Wing or the pebble can accomplish just as much as the Star Destroyer. Size, after all, matters not.
-- Alex
It's not just a catchy little slogan to inspired Luke to lift the X-Wing because Luke happens to be powerful enough to lift an X-Wing but needs a confidence booster. Size is truly not an obstacle (beyond, y'know, your own belief that it matters). If you truly perceive all things in the Force, you can do anything. Mass is irrelevant. You can move a Star Destroyer with the same ease and grace that you employ to move a pebble or an X-Wing.
But that's not all of it. If you truly understand that "size matters not", you know that the X-Wing or the pebble can accomplish just as much as the Star Destroyer. Size, after all, matters not.
-- Alex
None of the Jedi could sense the Rise of the Sith because Darth Sidious clouded their sensing powers. So they were basically flying blind, knowing that something was suppressing their ability to use the force but without knowing who it was.
I would say the reason why the force is so toned down after the prequel trilogy is that all the knowledge was lost. The only Jedi remaining from that era were basically Yoda, Kenobi, Sidious and Vader. Kenobi and Yoda taught look as much as they could but they were both dead before long and the Sith weren't so big on teaching their enemies so all you have is Luke Skywalker having to pass on what he knows about it all. Compared to the Jedi from the prequels, he didn't have nearly as much training so he could only teach so much. A Jedi, like a martial arts student, is only as good as the Master who trains them. So when the Sith destroyed all of the Jedi and their knowledge and teachings... Skywalker had to make do with what he knew.
I would say the reason why the force is so toned down after the prequel trilogy is that all the knowledge was lost. The only Jedi remaining from that era were basically Yoda, Kenobi, Sidious and Vader. Kenobi and Yoda taught look as much as they could but they were both dead before long and the Sith weren't so big on teaching their enemies so all you have is Luke Skywalker having to pass on what he knows about it all. Compared to the Jedi from the prequels, he didn't have nearly as much training so he could only teach so much. A Jedi, like a martial arts student, is only as good as the Master who trains them. So when the Sith destroyed all of the Jedi and their knowledge and teachings... Skywalker had to make do with what he knew.
Isn't the strongest force power the ability to destroy planets or something along the lines of that?
So it doesn't make the apprentice's feats that spectacular in comparison.
So it doesn't make the apprentice's feats that spectacular in comparison.
thats true! yoda did sense the disturbense, so the force still is overpowered, its just that most of the other jedies sucked! besides, in the games Ex. battlefront and force unleashed there was quite alot of the jedies that survived order 66 but were dealt with later!ThaBenMan said:I think Nivag has a good point here - that old chestnut, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". You mentioned The Force Unleashed. What sort of character do you play in that? That's right, a Sith. A light-side Jedi isn't going to be seen doing that stuff.Nivag said:
And about your post, jebussaves - I think Yoda did foresee the shit that was going to go down and so escaped. Maybe all the other Jedi just weren't as strong as him and so couldn't foresee it? I mean, he is Yoda