The FPS and the RPG: A Comparison

Durxom

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The FPS and the RPG: A Comparison


I have noticed here on The Escapist that there is a lot of fighting between the FPS and RPG communities, with arguments such as "All RPGs are about angsty emo effeminate teens" or "FPSs are only made for the hardcore-tard super jocks", and any discussion about either just ends up becoming an endless flame/troll war between the two. I somewhat see myself at middleground between RPGs and FPSs, so what I want to point out in this article/explanation is the pros and cons of each, and prove how they are both great genres no matter where you stand.



Firstly, we will start of with...


The FPS a.k.a. the First-Person Shooter
The FPS is somewhat of a figurehead in this generation, being some of the most well-received and most played of all of the genres. With hits such as Halo 3, Gears of War 1 & 2, and other such titles, each keep pushing the capabilities of what genre can do and increase the amounts of multiplayer interaction and fun one can experience.

Pros:
Action - FPSs are always a fun way to spend your time after a stressful day at school or work, and relax by shooting off some alien heads or fragging some fellow online gamers.
Multiplayer - still to this day, has some, if not, the best amount of online gameplay than any other genre, filling different peoples ways of having fun such as with CTF or Deathmatches.
Variety - FPSs provide many types of ways to "blow $%@# up", with many places and rules to do it as well.

Cons:
Repetition - most FPSs do end up getting repetitive after a while, and most storylines can be summed up with the following: "You (and your squad if there is one) are a bunch of ______[soldiers/armored veterans/big buff guys] and will fight _____[aliens/zombies/nazis] to ______[save the world/defend freedom/survive]."
Online Gamers - as being the main figurehead in online gaming, it will pick up a lot of people, both the good and....the not so good(angry pre-teens, dickheads, griefers, etc.) which will ruin a perfectly fun gameplay experience.
Lag and Detection - again, being online, lag is a major problem(which most of the time cannot be fixed) and will ruin a good match by either slowing everyone down, or causing frustration. Also, buggy detection is also a con in FPSs that isn't really found in many other games, damage is often misread by the game, cause a foot shot to kill someone while a headshot does not.


And next, we have the...


The RPG a.k.a. the Role-Playing Game

The RPG is one of the longest running game genres having been around since the NES and probably even before that. Somewhat being overlooked with this generation, most title are now found on the DS, but there are some console RPG gems shining through on the consoles such as Persona 4, Oblivion, and the "Tales" series, giving everyone the fun of character customization and monster battles.

Pros:
Story - the crowning achievement of RPGs will always be their stories, full of exciting characters, plot-twists, and tragedy, always giving you a feeling to want to push on and learn more.
The Feeling of Achievement - the RPG pulls this off very well, after working for hours or days trying to obtain that ultimate weapon, magic, or secret character, you feel rewarded after finally completing your goal and spend the next moments decimating your enemies with your Meteor spell.
Customization - being able to create a fantasy version of yourself, other people, or just toying around with weapon and magic skills for your characters is always a great inclusion in RPGs.

Cons:
Effeminates - sadly to say, sometimes people are right, and there are many effeminate characters appearing in RPGs, and sometimes, it will ruin a game when you can't take some of the main characters seriously.
Grinding - another form of repetition, though only found in the RPG and MMORPG, sometimes you will encounter obstacles that cannot be overcome without heavy leveling, and after killing the same group of bats and slime, it gets really, really tedious.
Super Powered Bosses and their Cutscenes - sometimes, even with the gratuitous leveling, some of the enemies you face will only be beaten through sheer luck and perseverance, and made all the more frustrating if there happens to be a 10 minutes unskippable cutscene before said enemy.


Though, yes, there are some bad parts that are easily picked out by the opposing group of each, there are also many similarities between the FPS and the RPG, more so than there are differences. But I'm pretty sure that both sides can agree on that, FPSs and RPGs have been some of the greatest games that we have seen over the past few gaming generations, being the 2 crowning genres, and that neither are "just" about big buff soldiers or angsty effeminate teens.

Thank you all for reading my little article here, and feel free to insert your own opinions about the pros and cons of each, or even add more, since I just put in the major ones from my POV. I hope this might lead to less hostilities between the 2 groups.
 

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Good thread, And youve covered quite a lot of points.

You could say im a fan of Western RPG's and FPS's, i just cant grasp JRPG's, the "10 story camoflagued(sp?) dragon" syndrome really gets on my nerves.

I put it down to personal tastes.
 

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Gears of war is a TPS and you seem to have played JRPG's primarily. I've never played a Western RPG with an effeminate main character.
 

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Good thread. I see the conflict somewhat differently though, as my favorite genre is the RPS (Role Playing Shooter), like Fallout 3 or Mass Effect.
 

Insanum

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BardSeed said:
Gears of war is a TPS and you seem to have played JRPG's primarily. I've never played a Western RPG with an effeminate main character.
Well you can kinda choose in fallout...haha, Its all down to how you choose to play the game.

YOU could be the gayest ninja ever, and the game never judges, Haha. (jokes)
 

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I love FPSs and RPGs. Why not combine them?

JRPGs are good when done well*, which isn't always.



See TWEWY and classics like FF7 and its predecessors.
 

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I'd like to point out that your only playing JRPGs from the looks of it. also, Yuri(the main character of the game in the last screen shot, the guy with purple hair) is only effeminate in the sense that he has long hair.
 

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Insanum said:
BardSeed said:
Gears of war is a TPS and you seem to have played JRPG's primarily. I've never played a Western RPG with an effeminate main character.
Well you can kinda choose in fallout...haha, Its all down to how you choose to play the game.

YOU could be the gayest ninja ever, and the game never judges, Haha. (jokes)
I like to think it does judge. As you continue on your way, it silently takes everything you do into account and creates a file about your myriad of failings and how you're probably a terribly boring and/or stupid human being.

Does that make me weird?
 

Insanum

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Calobi said:
Insanum said:
BardSeed said:
Gears of war is a TPS and you seem to have played JRPG's primarily. I've never played a Western RPG with an effeminate main character.
Well you can kinda choose in fallout...haha, Its all down to how you choose to play the game.

YOU could be the gayest ninja ever, and the game never judges, Haha. (jokes)
I like to think it does judge. As you continue on your way, it silently takes everything you do into account and creates a file about your myriad of failings and how you're probably a terribly boring and/or stupid human being.

Does that make me weird?
No,Very acute[/I]. well done.
 

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BardSeed said:
Gears of war is a TPS and you seem to have played JRPG's primarily. I've never played a Western RPG with an effeminate main character.
And I've played several JRPGs without them.

I'm still trying to understand how "effeminate" is a con.
 

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black lincon said:
I'd like to point out that your only playing JRPGs from the looks of it. also, Yuri(the main character of the game in the last screen shot, the guy with purple hair) is only effeminate in the sense that he has long hair.
I did try to include some points from WRPGs, but I've been limited to them since I lack a next gen console(besides the Wii) or a computer good enough to handle some of the newer games,so yes, the RPG side is somewhat JPRG oriented...

And as for the pictures, they aren't meant to show the pros or cons of each, but just a generalization of an FPS game and an RPG game.

NeutralDrow said:
BardSeed said:
Gears of war is a TPS and you seem to have played JRPG's primarily. I've never played a Western RPG with an effeminate main character.
And I've played several JRPGs without them.

I'm still trying to understand how "effeminate" is a con.
Well, from a general opinion from some of my friends, and other people I have heard from, they could continue, or take Final Fantasy 12 seriously because Vaan being effeminate, as well as Larsa..and some others in other RPGs to pop up and sometimes ruin the experience in that way
 

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Eh. I seem to be missing the bulk of these FPS/RPG threads. Seem like a stupid thing to compare in my opinion.

And now to gripe about this topic: You make little distinction between JRPGs and WRPGs which kinda bothers me. I feel your topic supports are not varied enough or properly weighted. And I too am going to complain about sticking a Gears of War image into a topic about first person shooters. Quit generalizing.
 

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Grinding...only found in the RPG and MMORPG,
Call of Duty 4/WaW sprung to mind as I read this actually. You have to effectively "Grind" kills to acquire better weapons/perks.

And not going to even start with their whole Prestige system...

Effeminates - sadly to say, sometimes people are right, and there are many effeminate characters appearing in RPGs, and sometimes, it will ruin a game when you can't take some of the main characters seriously.
I'd change that to Badly Done/Over Used Effeminates. Sometimes they have their place, there's no doubt about that - there are, after all, effeminate males in real life as well. Many of them in fact and a well placed one can add to both the experience and the story.

Poorly done ones however...not so much.

Lag and Detection - again, being online, lag is a major problem(which most of the time cannot be fixed) and will ruin a good match by either slowing everyone down, or causing frustration. Also, buggy detection is also a con in FPSs that isn't really found in many other games, damage is often misread by the game, cause a foot shot to kill someone while a headshot does not.
More UK servers please. Tired of being stuck at Yellow latency in CoD4 just because I have the gall to not be playing from the US.

Though it does make my 17 kill streak on Hardcore team deathmatch all the more satisfying.
 

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Mjolnir07 said:
Has anyone mentioned FPSRPGS? I am of course referring to Fallout 3.
Yeah, I mentioned them, although I prefer to call them RPSs (Role Playing Shooters). Much less unwieldy.
 

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Can't say I have ever noticed much of a scuffle between them. Why can't FPS-RPG's be more popular? Fallout 3 and Bioshock were both awesome. Even Cliffy B. said that RPG is the future of FPS.

I mean sure, there is Halo and Final Fantasy, but I'd say those are more extremes in the genres. Even CoD 4 has RPG elements like picking different perks and weapon upgrades in online play. Also RPG's seem to be shifting away from turn based battles which are supposed to be "strategic", but are really just slow, boring, and flow breaking.
 

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I would personally love a mix of both genres but they tend to always turn up the volume, so to speak , on one end over the other. I loved fall out 3 but hated how "off" the gun play seemed. After playing call of duty and other specific fps titles up until release.

Fallout ended up making me use VATS all the time until I had to stop playing because I became death incarnate at level 20 and just ended up going on infinite AP fueled killing spree's. There needs to be a mix were the gun play feels satisfying while giving you options as to how to grow/customize your character.