The Great American Beer Thread

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bkd69

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People slagging off American beer is something of a hot button for me, but when I see posts here, I have to remind myself that a lot of Escapist readers are furriners, and are probably only exposed to Budweiser. This would be the equivalent of rendering judgement on Belgian beers based on Stella Artois, Dutch beers on Heineken Export, and UK beers on Bass Ale and Guiness Stout. Americans who slag off American beer though, have no such excuse, and deserve scorn and contempt, and a round to speed their enlightenment.

Now let's talk beer.

The vast Majority of American beer is going to come from two brewers, Anheuser-Busch, and Coors, and from those two, the main labels that are going to be sold will be Budweiser, Bud Light, Coors, Coors Light, Pabst Blue Ribbon, Miller, Miller Light, Michelob, and Michelob Light, which makes for 7 labels total.

The 2008 Great American Beer Festival had 472 breweries entering 2,902 beers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Beer_Festival#2008 ), though to be fair, not all of those beers came from production recipes or will be destined for production labels, and some chunk came from the pro-am division, where professional brewers submit amateur homebrew recipes. And all you guys got to see was Budweiser.

How does that work? When A-B plus Coors are outnumbered 470 to 2? From the Brewers' Association ( http://www.beertown.org/craftbrewing/statistics.html ):
The craft brewing sales share as of December 08 is 4% by volume and 6.2% by dollars.
The 96% of beer that that A-B plus Coors produces also includes their specialty beers, which are their attempts to pick up some of that 6.2% of cash that beer drinkers of taste are spending on craft brews.

Why don't you get to see any of these frickin' awesome American beers? For the export market, it's simply a matter of money. Inside the US, each one of the 50 states has their own unique set of laws regarding the sales and distribution of alcohol, and the big brewers are already quite entrenched in the distribution channels, though that makes it sound more dreadful than it actually is.

Whenever I'm traveling, I make it a point to try the region's local brews, and if you're visiting the US, drink American. And you don't have to settle for Budweiser, even though it may soon be a Belgian beer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch#Acquisition_by_InBev .

Something I've been curious about though, many of the best American brews are highly non-traditional, while here in the US, we only see the most traditional of European of styles. What are the breweries in yor country that are trying out new things with their beers?
 

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I do make fun of American beer, but it's all in good fun. To be honest, there's not a whole lot of difference between American and Canadian. Though I am more inclined to prefer the latter... haha. If you're ever up Nova Scotia way, give Alexander Keith's a try.
 

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Cider is crap.
The reason that American beer is ridiculed so much compared to german, dutch and Australian (the beer I mostly drink, being Australian) is because the majority of American beer that is exported is inescapably crap in comparison (Fosters, Heinikein and Stella will all be chosen long before Bud or, god forbid, light beer). Although I am aware of how unfair it is to judge beer based on the most popular brands, as I've recently discovered a small brewery in redhill, Victoria that handmakes a small selection of beers. Best beer ever.
So, don't take it personally if I ***** about American beer being crap, I assume there is good American beer, it's just not marketed where I'm from.
 

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The contempt for American beer is basically just directed at the major labels. Pabst, Coors, Bud, Natural Lite (I had to drink this filth in college in Ohio). The smaller beers are just not that well known. In the UK the main drinking lagers are pretty grim - Carling is dreadful.

bkd69 said:
... and UK beers on Bass Ale and Guiness Stout.
And if we're talking about national stereotyping on the beer front Guinness is Irish. Ireland is not in the United Kingdom, it is the Republic of Ireland. Guinness is brewed in Dublin and I certainly wouldn't recommend telling an Irishman that you love UK beers like Guinness.

And of course you're mixing up beer, stouts, ales and lager, but you're American so we'll let you off!
 

coldfrog

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Probably the ONLY american beer that gets exported is crap because they are the only ones who can afford the charges for it. About half hour away from me is a place called Iron Hill brewery which is a small but expanding craft brew that, while not my favorite, is the most popular in town and makes a lot of unique brews (their Old Tom Barleywine comes to mind recently). An hour and a half away is one of the best craft breweries I've ever experienced, Dogfish Head. If you are ever on the east coast in the Delaware/Maryland area I highly recommend you find one of their breweries (2 in DE, one in Maryland), eat the food and try one of the dozens of unique, amazing craft brews. Of course if you're even considering this you'll know that microbreweries, at least the better ones, don't generally go the mass-production route, so not all beers they make will be great to you, but I guarantee there will be something to your liking. I recommend Theobroma (a new one that just came on the market, but is probably out of season now, I can't remember), Their 90 minute IPA, possibly one of my favorite IPA's on draft, and their Immort-ale (which I find hard to consider an ale, but never mind that) which is a very thick beer with a dark, smoky flavor and a light vanilla and maple finish.

Mind you, their beers tend to be extremely hoppy, and though they are generally good at balancing it out it can be a little much for some.

For the record, at the moment I think my favorite beer may very well be Delirium Tremens. Try it!

EDIT: Also, for big name breweries, Sam Adams actually puts out some decent non-standard beers.
 

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I always tell people to come to my city (Portland, OR) and try our ridiculous numbers of microbrews. We have some of the weirdest- and best- beers in the country.

And for Rossadtl's benefit, I don't distinguish between them but I know what the distinction is. And by "best beers in the country", I'm aware there are some stouts and ales mixed in as well.
 

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See Monty Python: Live at the Hollywood bowl for answer...

But seriously, as a mildly alcoholic Australian beer drinker I can acknowledge your beers as okay. Your light stuff is absolute piss water...but michelob and bud and millers are all fine beers.
 

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Yes it is probably a few rotten apples (or watery beers as it were) that spoil the barrel.
I don't doubt that America has produced good beers, though I'm not so traveled as to have encountered any. Fair play to rib socially over the merits of different beers, especially whilst enjoying any beer.

My favourite beer quote: "Bottled Czech beer is the corpse of a good beer in a glass coffin."
 

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ninjablu said:
I always tell people to come to my city (Portland, OR) and try our ridiculous numbers of microbrews. We have some of the weirdest- and best- beers in the country.

And for Rossadtl's benefit, I don't distinguish between them but I know what the distinction is. And by "best beers in the country", I'm aware there are some stouts and ales mixed in as well.
Also from Portland, OR and I must agree. If Widmer, Rogue or BridgePort ever go national you will all know Portland, OR as the Brew Mecca of the Western Hemisphere.

http://www.widmer.com/
http://www.rogue.com/
http://www.bridgeportbrew.com/

Can you imagine, ninjablu, if some of these people from across the pond ever got their hands on a McMenamin's Ale? I don't think Oregon could handle that many immigrants.
 

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rossatdi said:
And if we're talking about national stereotyping on the beer front Guinness is Irish. Ireland is not in the United Kingdom, it is the Republic of Ireland. Guinness is brewed in Dublin and I certainly wouldn't recommend telling an Irishman that you love UK beers like Guinness.
IIRC Guiness was set up financially by an Englishman and a Scotsman. If 'Coast' was telling the truth, & I imagine they got their facts right. Still Irish now, but I thought I'd throw in that little nugget.


...and yes, exported industrially manufactured beers will be crap.
 

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i don't drink beer so i can't really say much, i'm more of a larger person.

'americans who slag off American beer though, have no such excuse, and deserve scorn and contempt, and a round to speed their enlightenment' - since when did it become illegal to have an opinion?

Lukeje said:
None of them compare to the greatness that is cider.
it's too sweet, i can't stand the stuff,
 

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bkd69 said:
The 2008 Great American Beer Festival had 472 breweries entering 2,902 beers
You do know that is a not a lot don't you?
Britain produces many more than that and is a tiny island.
This is why we claim to know more about beer: We do!
 

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scumofsociety said:
rossatdi said:
And if we're talking about national stereotyping on the beer front Guinness is Irish. Ireland is not in the United Kingdom, it is the Republic of Ireland. Guinness is brewed in Dublin and I certainly wouldn't recommend telling an Irishman that you love UK beers like Guinness.
IIRC Guiness was set up financially by an Englishman and a Scotsman. If 'Coast' was telling the truth, & I imagine they got their facts right. Still Irish now, but I thought I'd throw in that little nugget.


...and yes, exported industrially manufactured beers will be crap.
I'm not claiming wikipedia is the be all and end all of fact but...

wiki said:
Arthur Guinness (24 September 1725 - 23 January 1803) was an Irish brewer and the founder of the Guinness Brewery business and family.
Red Stripe, Peroni, Tiger, Ashai and San Miguel are all commonly available in the UK, are mass produced and are lovely!
 

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Fucking legend , c'mon the cider has to be decent cider though cant be going for any old cheap bollocks

Beer's ok american beer taste's like piss water
 

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Yeah I'm giulty of stereotyping American beer. As to the question of local breweries: I don't really come into contact with a lot of their beers, mainly since I live close to the German and Belgian borders and get my beer from there. I also like the most popular provincial brand. It's called Brand (good one eh). I also like Alfa, which is also one of the most popular provincial beers around here.

The Belgians, however, their abbeys and monasteries can brew beer that will knock your socks off, and your undies with them.
 

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rossatdi said:
scumofsociety said:
IIRC Guiness was set up financially by an Englishman and a Scotsman. If 'Coast' was telling the truth, & I imagine they got their facts right. Still Irish now, but I thought I'd throw in that little nugget.


...and yes, exported industrially manufactured beers will be crap.
I'm not claiming wikipedia is the be all and end all of fact but...

wiki said:
Arthur Guinness (24 September 1725 - 23 January 1803) was an Irish brewer and the founder of the Guinness Brewery business and family.
Yes,I did have a look at Wikipedia, but I tend to trust the BBC over wiki. I can't find any clips of Coast on Youtube to show you what was said. I am imagining that either Guiness (the man) bought out a small brewery & it's recipe or was itself bought out and set up as a company by the aforementioned dudes.

EDIT: Just a thought...note how it says founder of the Guiness brewery and business, not the recipe. Maybe that suggests my former explaination, but as I said, I can't back it up unless I can find that episode of coast somewhere.

EDIT2: Found which episode it was on, if not a clip: http://www.bbc.co.uk/coast/programmes2/05-dublin-derry.shtml
No closer to proving what I said, but at least you'll know where to look if (when) it's repeated.
 

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WastedHero said:
Also from Portland, OR and I must agree. If Widmer, Rogue or BridgePort ever go national you will all know Portland, OR as the Brew Mecca of the Western Hemisphere.

http://www.widmer.com/
http://www.rogue.com/
http://www.bridgeportbrew.com/

Can you imagine, ninjablu, if some of these people from across the pond ever got their hands on a McMenamin's Ale? I don't think Oregon could handle that many immigrants.
Considering amongue my clique of beer snobs is pretty familiar with at the very least the Rogue Deadguy, I would say they're pretty national. (I'm on the East Coast here). Unless, by your later comment, you meant Multi-National?

And of course, with your claim of beer mecca I have to contest it...

My local microbreweries can beat up your local microbreweries ;)

Sennz0r said:
The Belgians, however, their abbeys and monasteries can brew beer that will knock your socks off, and your undies with them.
Am I right in quoting that their extremely awesome beers can only be brewed in a certain area of Belgium at a certain time of year in a place with no roof so the contents of the air can imbue it with something ridiculous? Because those are the beers that are just brilliant.