The Historical Case for Playable Women in Assassin's Creed: Unity
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My. And here I though I might be risking one of those quote wars I've been seeing. You flatter me.Kameburger said:
You know, the outfit here on The Escapist feels very loosey goosey to me. I wonder if they would actually be able to enforce some topic cohesion amongst it's writers and prevent accidentally talking about the same issue so often... or not. Heheh, I kinda picture Yahtzee trying to herd cats and screaming "Deadline!" when they inevitable ignore him. Plus phallic imagery all over the office. ¦]
Ah, but at the end of the day, I do love the Escapist so. What a unique voice for our gaming generation~
Seriously, though, I miss Extra Consideration.
It really can be hard to find a good discussion on these issues, but it's hard to convince others that their feelings are wrong. And of course, feeling can't really be "wrong", but they can certainly inhibit new ideas and personal growth... which they might not be interested in in the least. Sometimes I find it best to let it be. Having racist relatives can help you accept that.Zachary Amaranth said:
But I love your take on it. Which is another thing I agree with you on. And also, I just said "I love you". Totally gunna take over your life now. Mwahaha.
Why would you need a historical case for a female assassin? Just add a female assassin for fucks sake. Shouldnt have to build a 2 page case to prove a point. Not like the AC are historically accurate anyway. Would prefer an actual full game with a female assassin as the main character instead of an avatar for multiplayer mode.
And yet I have felt vilified. Maybe, this has more to do with a culmination of not just one but several medias enforcing a general message that all white men are lazy, arrogant and dumb but get pampered because of reasons, I'm not sure. And I also suspect that you can see that, sometimes in this context, men as a demographic are vilified as well, or belittled to use a better term. Basically, if my opinion is less valued in a conversation because of what I am, then it has impacted me. And it has, on occasion.Zachary Amaranth said:
Frankly Assassin's Creed is ripe for some hate. They've been releasing a game a year for ages now with minimum innovation. The entire series has become an exercise it cutting corners in order to hold to that schedule. They needed to get another game out of the gate this year and decided to cut corners on character designs too.
The fact that it glaringly shows just how poorly adjusted some gamers are to female player characters manages to make Ubisoft look both lazy, and out of touch with reality. I see this decision in Unity and I just see another in the long line of lazy. Next year they'll find a new way to be lazy, because they'll put effort into multiplayer character models again.
The fact that it glaringly shows just how poorly adjusted some gamers are to female player characters manages to make Ubisoft look both lazy, and out of touch with reality. I see this decision in Unity and I just see another in the long line of lazy. Next year they'll find a new way to be lazy, because they'll put effort into multiplayer character models again.
Sorry poor taste but I have to say this. Women and extremism is not a new thing then? hehe.
A really good read I didn't know alot about the french revolution bar from general things such as paintings and a few of the major skirmishes so thank you for educating me. I thought it was more the need for bodies during WWII and the realisation that if a women can do a mans job, then whats actually different? Its taken a little over 300 hundred years then.... progress!
Though I would like to add more opinion. Charlotte Corday is more of a murderer/martyr,even if the oxford dictionary stats "A person who murders an important person for political or religious reasons." Agent 47 would say otherwise you need finesse and skill In my mind to have the title assassin.
But onto Ubisoft I still cant believe people are shocked really its Ubisoft? Profit over substance and in it for the money. Assassins Creed became the same game after 4 really I don't know how its gone on so long, hopefully people will boycott it so Ubi might actually wake up and stop the re-skinning?
There maybe some truth in what they say but Its probably stretched so far it's possible to use the "truth" as a rope to get from one hemisphere to another.
A really good read I didn't know alot about the french revolution bar from general things such as paintings and a few of the major skirmishes so thank you for educating me. I thought it was more the need for bodies during WWII and the realisation that if a women can do a mans job, then whats actually different? Its taken a little over 300 hundred years then.... progress!
Though I would like to add more opinion. Charlotte Corday is more of a murderer/martyr,even if the oxford dictionary stats "A person who murders an important person for political or religious reasons." Agent 47 would say otherwise you need finesse and skill In my mind to have the title assassin.
But onto Ubisoft I still cant believe people are shocked really its Ubisoft? Profit over substance and in it for the money. Assassins Creed became the same game after 4 really I don't know how its gone on so long, hopefully people will boycott it so Ubi might actually wake up and stop the re-skinning?
There maybe some truth in what they say but Its probably stretched so far it's possible to use the "truth" as a rope to get from one hemisphere to another.
The thing is, it's not really the developer's story with ACU and FC4. Heck, for a good many times, it's not the developer's real story. It's other levels of the company horning in, and screwing things up.Seldon2639 said:
It's the sort of intervention that prevented women in ACU, and FC4 that make us wan to experience the developer's story, but we can't.
How many more games will deprive us of the opportunity to play as a woman, thus depriving us of the opportunity to experience the developer's story?
Honestly, I don't see much of anyone demanding the industry change things, we're just more firmly requesting. Being able to do something about it is largely out of our hands, after all, or else we'd have change in the industry already.
Yeah, I agree it kinda boils down to buy it, or not, but I figure the idea of it mattering in the long run is not one to rely on.
I can't really agree on your interpretation of art, though. Videogames aren't really art to me any more than a can of coke. Videogames are mass produced, for the most part, to make money, and everything else is just a bonus. Considering we have to pay for videogames, we should be able to complain, or praise as we see fit. That doesn't oblige the game industry to listen, coz, lets be real, they, for the most part, won't, but if they are inspired, somehow, by the words of the fans, then so be it.
I'm definitely not the sort to say they're obliged to do anything, personally. I don't think there's all that many saying they are obliged to do anything. We're largely just expressing disappointment in the decision to not be inclusive.
Both sides have extremists, though.
Another historical case could be that every single multiplayer mode in assassins creed from brotherhood until now had female player characters. Which they certainly must have modeled and made animations for. And to my knowledge all of those games were a success, and now a lack of resources. Eh whatever the game looks like Assassins Creed: Resident Evil 5 Edition anyways. Great article though I wish all the others in this site were able to bring as much to the table as you were.
Strictly from a historical perspective, it was a group of armed women who defended Tortosa from the Muslims and were created knights by the King of Spain as the 'Order of the Hatchet' after they defeated the besieging army.
Take THAT Ubisoft
Take THAT Ubisoft
This. The fourteen-millionth time you're told you're responsible for every single bad thing that has ever happened in the world, in all of human history, you start to feel a bit resentful about it. Especially when you've spent your entire (political) life voting to keep the people trying to deny rights to women and minorities out of power.the December King said:
Eventually, we just get tired of:
a) Never seeing any of these supposed "advantages" we enjoy
b) Getting constant shit for all of the supposed "advantages" we're not actually experiencing
c) Never seeing any acknowledgement that plenty of "white men" gave their lives to advance the cause of equal rights.
You haven't demonstrated that any of these things are actually happening in a relevant discussion.the December King said:
Like, I get you feel that way, but I still don't get why you would feel that way. As far as I can see, these things aren't really said during these discussions, at least not here, or with any frequency. "A case for women" is not a "screw you" to men. Simply wanting more women in games doesn't slam men in any way.
What, exactly, have you lost by letting women be recognised? Or blacks, or gays, or any other group of controversy?
I'm hoping this is more or less a "growing pains" sort of thing, but it's been around for so long that it worries me.She-Pudding said:
I come from stock who diametrically oppose me in almost every sense. I think we're all pro-breathing, but that's about it. I'm used to it. Unfortunately, I've also got family who isn't just content to disagree, but looks to start shit whenever we talk. Perhaps that's what worries me most. IT seems a bunch of people will immediately jump in to be combative.
Just look at the reaction to Ani....I mean, She Who Must Not Be Named. Her latest video doesn't have to be up for a full day before people start making up quotes to attribute to her.
I will warn you my girlfriend visits this site (mostly lurks), and she's crazy enough to date me, so her depravity is unlimited. >.>
Just fair warning.
I can't find a specific example of the language just now, like the 'neckbeard' or 'dudebro' type terminology that gets bantered about, but it seems like no one bats an eye at these terms being used to represent men gamers, and I'm pretty sure they are used that way (again, I have limited time at the comp just now).Zachary Amaranth said:
At no point do I want to repress or smother discussion or recognition to women gamers, or other peoples. I was really just looking at how the topic (women in gaming) makes me feel, is all.
But if it's not being brought up here, why is it even relevant? Are you telling me you feel vilified for people asking for more playable women despite not having said neckbeard or dudebro or whatever else?the December King said:
Nope... Just saying I couldn't find the instances just then.Zachary Amaranth said:
To be fair, it might not be in this thread. But I haven't got a big enough window of time just now to go back and grab them. But they are recent posts.
And besides, lots of feminists say these terms to refer to men players. Don't they? Or am I reading too deep into these terms?
Sorry, I am overwhelmed just now with other stuffs. I'll get back to you.
The white male default is the problem. There are many gamers who would argue that female characters shouldn't be included for whatever reason, and there always seems to be a new reason every day. However, my question here is this: What harm does it do to include a female playable character in a game? On the one hand, lack of inclusion means a developer is likely going to draw fire for the lack of a female character. On the other hand, inclusion of a female character provides an additional option for those gamers(male and female) that want it. Including a female playable character causes gamers no harm, it merely provides an additional option which can be used or ignored at each individual player's discretion. At no point will I buy the excuse that Ubisoft (or any other developer) did not have the money or time to include a female character into their games. They could have made adjustments to account for this, but they chose not to.
That was a wonderful article they didn't go too much into the revolution at my school but this makes me question why they took out a woman character at all and why did they pick a man? Are they going to use Arno to rewrite Corday's assassination as Arno killed Marat and she happened to walk into the door to do just that but finds the body, gets caught, and executed for it? That would suck. Or is Corday going to be apart of the assassin order kills Marat in his tub and gets caught as a damsel for our Arno to rescue? or as reason 2 he should keep fallowing the main plot. In either case that would also suck.
She also did more then stab him in the bathtub she'd originally planned to kill him infront of crowds during a speech and if they'd let us be a woman lead instead of Arno they could've kept that public and more grand version having our fem assassin kill him there and later claim this is what the Templars rewrote for history.
I just found something really interesting since Ubi's claim that super polygons are just too much work: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=43975 a list of polygon counts from many characters including several from ACseries sooooo why couldn't they just keep her count at those levels?
She also did more then stab him in the bathtub she'd originally planned to kill him infront of crowds during a speech and if they'd let us be a woman lead instead of Arno they could've kept that public and more grand version having our fem assassin kill him there and later claim this is what the Templars rewrote for history.
I just found something really interesting since Ubi's claim that super polygons are just too much work: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=43975 a list of polygon counts from many characters including several from ACseries sooooo why couldn't they just keep her count at those levels?