The topic is more about that the OP was annoyed when someone interrupted a conversation and didn't know that it was just jews who died in the concentration camps.The Wykydtron said:
The Holocaust.
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The scariest thing about the Holocaust to me is it wasn't just genocide. It was industrialized genocide. Millions of people were killed with the same cold, detached efficiency that goes into making toaster ovens. It's a horrifying example of what humanity can do with the things that give us our modern age.
Yeah but all Holocaust topics will all boil down to the same thing anywaymanythings said:
There's not much room for discussion is all i'm saying
no i agree with X, (and this comes from someone who recently realised they might be philosophilcally opposed to israel and therefore antisemite). mostly jews died in the concentration camps, so it is reasonable to say the holocaust killed jews.
mostly americans fought in the vietnam war, despite there being over 50,000 south koreans, thousands of australians and numerous other contingents, but it is still a american war.
mostly americans fought in the vietnam war, despite there being over 50,000 south koreans, thousands of australians and numerous other contingents, but it is still a american war.
I call that the next victims will be muslims. There is a guy in Holland right now whose political standpoints are almost identical to Hitler's before he jumped the shark and got on a full out warpath. Except that where there's "jews" it says "muslims".Berethond said:
And the worst part is that people actually support that piece of shit. No wait, that's not the worst part, the worst part is that this is happening all over Europe and America.
Porno Holocaust did not happen dammit, it's just a myth created by porn stars for attention and pity.Iron Lightning said:
OP, you forgot the Slavs by the way.
Without having much intelligent to add to this, I fear the mindset/worldview silver wolf experienced is fairly common. The themepark version of the WW2 holocaust is that hitler put all the jews in Auschwitz and killed them in the gas chambers... when of course the reality is a lot more complex than that. His primary focus was the eradication of the jewish peoples, but he had eyes for a great deal many more (as another focus was the promotion of the aryan "master race", through various eugenic methods that included just plain killing folk), there were several different camps, and they were also slave labour centres - those who went to the chamber were, at least initially, usually those who were unable to work, either on arrival or after having been starved and driven to exhaustion. Not to mention all the medical experiments that ran the gamut from bizarre to horrifying.
But what people most pick up on is jews being killed in Auschwitz. It's the most prominent part, so sadly, that's what they are most likely to know if they know anything. It's also the most visible remnant of that sad part of history - the camp is still there and you can tour it, there are a good few survivors still knocking about with their numbered tattoos, etc.
Same with any number of other subjects of course; it's just more striking because it's such a high profile event that fundamentally changed the course of world history and culture.
How many people if you asked them would say that the Enola Gay hit Nagasaki with a bomb fuelled by uranium? Or would even know, these days, that Africa and Burma were major theatres in WW2?
But what people most pick up on is jews being killed in Auschwitz. It's the most prominent part, so sadly, that's what they are most likely to know if they know anything. It's also the most visible remnant of that sad part of history - the camp is still there and you can tour it, there are a good few survivors still knocking about with their numbered tattoos, etc.
Same with any number of other subjects of course; it's just more striking because it's such a high profile event that fundamentally changed the course of world history and culture.
How many people if you asked them would say that the Enola Gay hit Nagasaki with a bomb fuelled by uranium? Or would even know, these days, that Africa and Burma were major theatres in WW2?
I wrote an essay recently about what the links between the murder of the handicapped and the murder of the Jews.
I found whilst some historians view the holocaust as an umbrella in which there were many different groups slaughtered, others used the word 'holocaust' to symbolize the killing of the Jews as separate to the others.
It's normally associated with the killing of the Jews though, because... plain and simply, more Jews died in the camps than any other single group.
I found whilst some historians view the holocaust as an umbrella in which there were many different groups slaughtered, others used the word 'holocaust' to symbolize the killing of the Jews as separate to the others.
It's normally associated with the killing of the Jews though, because... plain and simply, more Jews died in the camps than any other single group.
I'm in my third year of Uni studying history and i didn't know that definition. I've looked at the holocaust ALOT and never come across it. I'm not saying your wrong, in fact that definition makes sense, it's just not well known because the word has now taken on a different meaning. Person X wasn't wrong in what he said though, he clearly understood what you were referring too, as in 'the mass murder of civilians during the second world war by Nazi Germany'.silver wolf009 said:
Holocaust has more than one definition, so X wasn't wrong. You were discussing WW II's holocaust so the meaning "great offering by fire, usually to a god" wouldn't have applied.
Yes, there were other people than Jews that were killed by the Nazi's, but The Holocaust is a term often used referring to the Jewish people specifically. So X wasn't misinformed, he just didn't know all the facts.
Yes, there were other people than Jews that were killed by the Nazi's, but The Holocaust is a term often used referring to the Jewish people specifically. So X wasn't misinformed, he just didn't know all the facts.
How the world has treated the holocaust is almost like its attempt for attonement: people from everywhere have been antisemitic at one point or another. So when someone does the worst possible to a majority of that group, we suddenly run to the aid realizing that the Nazis were just a step further down a road we were walking.
But I digress, the Holocaust was the murder of anyone who didn't fit how the majority wanted them to fit. It is a potent story for everyone and is hardly about a singular group. If this sounds like one is trivializing the mass murder of the Jewish people, I wonder whether it is actually being trivialized, or whether that is only a reflection on how the Holocaust has been taken in by the world.
But I digress, the Holocaust was the murder of anyone who didn't fit how the majority wanted them to fit. It is a potent story for everyone and is hardly about a singular group. If this sounds like one is trivializing the mass murder of the Jewish people, I wonder whether it is actually being trivialized, or whether that is only a reflection on how the Holocaust has been taken in by the world.
Seriously? Are you arguing to declare the Holocaust Best Genocide Ever? How about the 400 years of the slave trade? Would you say to the Bosnians and Rwandans and Liberans "Yeah, you had a little ethnic cleansing here, but it's a pale simulacrum of a real genocide"? What possible justification could you use?Danny Ocean said:
Witch trials and burnings were public spectacles on a par with the opening of blockbuster movies. The Inquisition had a corporate structure and banked the assets of its victims. The Spartans set aside one day a year when it was legal to kill a slave. The Nazis invented nothing; they merely aped the worst crimes of others.
I believe the term involving nails and hitting on the head should be applied to that postTalal Provides said:
Genocide has happened in nearly every culture and nearly every generation by nearly every society in history...
Talal explains perfectly the reason why the holocaust is the one people remember and care about...
and because modern genocides happening in African wars work in the west's favour that keeps the developing countries in our debts and allows us to carry on robbing them of their resources
conspiracy theory over
The 'public' definiton, that it was a horrid time of slaughter for the Jewish religion, is true. But, it should be remembered that there's more to the story than the summary for most events in history.