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This is how bad the democrats messaging is; Trump WON (not gained points in) majority in people under 26 years old including white women, white men, and black men. He also won non-white 18 year men as well. This is what happens when your messaging is just insulting people and telling them how wrong they all.
 

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? But it worked. The party that labelled it's opponents as paedophiles, satanists, cannibals, rapists and pet-stealing thieves is the party that won.
Right?!? He wrote that with a straight face, and completely missed the irony. That was LITERALLY the entirety of the Trump campaign: 5% vaguely alluding to policies surrounding divisive and made-up issues, and 95% shouting "the democrats" down with insults, lies, and hyperbole. Trump bullied his way into office on the backs of the uneducated and misinformed masses, but it's because the democrats were calling him on that exact shit??
 
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? But it worked. The party that labelled it's opponents as paedophiles, satanists, cannibals, rapists and pet-stealing thieves is the party that won.
Indeed. Its weird that the side that says ''It reflects badly on our enemies if they call us racist when we're being racist!'' also has no problem calling the other side every insult under the sun.

In any case I think rats like Joe Rogan and Paul brothers share a lot of blame. I hope they're happy with the tax breaks it got them, or for whatever reward they decided to be rats.
 
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Right?!? He wrote that with a straight face, and completely missed the irony. That was LITERALLY the entirety of the Trump campaign: 5% vaguely alluding to policies surrounding divisive and made-up issues, and 95% shouting "the democrats" down with insults, lies, and hyperbole. Trump bullied his way into office on the backs of the uneducated and misinformed masses, but it's because the democrats were calling him on that exact shit??
Based on the last election, the Dems need more lying, insulting and saying they are willing to do many crimes and how the are going to do the opposite of the constitution to win the next election
 
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Based on the last election, the Dems need more lying, insulting and saying they are willing to do many crimes and how the are going to do the opposite of the constitution to win the next election
Unironically this. Dem are seen as the party that does almost nothing. They're the natural governing party, people who want change will punt for the outsider party, who says they'll break all the rule, because of how "unfair" the current system is.

At this point, it would probably be a good idea for the message to be something along the line of "we'll do medicare for all, and will impeach congressman/senate/judge who it".

But really, it came down to who was most affected by inflation and that was poor people, which means young people, so they voted against whoever was in governement at the time, and since most voter are uninformed, they didn't bother looking up what the word "tariff" means.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Unironically this. Dem are seen as the party that does almost nothing. They're the natural governing party, people who want change will punt for the outsider party, who says they'll break all the rule, because of how "unfair" the current system is.

At this point, it would probably be a good idea for the message to be something along the line of "we'll do medicare for all, and will impeach congressman/senate/judge who it".

But really, it came down to who was most affected by inflation and that was poor people, which means young people, so they voted against whoever was in governement at the time, and since most voter are uninformed, they didn't bother looking up what the word "tariff" means.
They are the party of functional government without really having to worry about things and they don't demand credit for their actions. Which bites them in the ass cause if government is working well then no one thinks about it so some asshole can claim its not doing anything and we shouldn't be spending money on it. They are too good at government for their own good.
 

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You guys still don't get it. When you are for something 80% of the population doesn't want, you're not gonna win. When you are telling people they are wrong or racist or whatever, you're not gonna win.

People like JK Rowling or Joe Rogan were on your side but your kept telling then how wrong they were. That didn't end up turning out so well for you now did it? Calling people racist for voting for Trump didn't work out to well for you did it? Maybe you should stop discarding people and be more like Ted Lasso, wouldn't that make sense?
 

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You guys still don't get it. When you are for something 80% of the population doesn't want, you're not gonna win. When you are telling people they are wrong or racist or whatever, you're not gonna win.
See, you are falling into the trap of the right that the far left are democrats, they are not, they are more likely to vote democrat but they have like 2 or 3 members in the house at most. No political power but republicans love to say they are controlling the democratic party. The democratic party barely even panders to them, but since the right controls all media (turns out whining endlessly is really effective) they get to decide what is true.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Compared to the alternative, yes. Otherwise, not so much.

Anyway, obligatory mention of the problems with supporting genocide in Israel. More genocide than usual, that is.
A. They are totally the party of functional government.
B. Still not a genocide
C. Even if it was a genocide that doesn't mean they aren't the party of a functional government
 

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A. They are totally the party of functional government.
B. Still not a genocide
C. Even if it was a genocide that doesn't mean they aren't the party of a functional government
I would agree with C. Supporting the genocide is not the reason they struggle at keeping government functioning.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I would agree with C. Supporting the genocide is not the reason they struggle at keeping government functioning.
Yes yes yes, you just want a genocide against jews, we get it, but try to stay on topic.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Even pretending that the US isn't supporting a genocide (or wasn't under the Dems), it's still a jump from that to claim that I want a different genocide.
Because its not a genocide. I say you want a genocide because if you think this is a genocide then you want the whole from the river to the sea thing which a battle cry of kicking out/killing all the jews. So you do support a genocide from the other direction.
 

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Which is a jump. How about nobody does any genocide? Not doing any genocide is often not considered a terribly outlandish position to hold.
No one is doing a genocide there. Right now its just a fucked up war, not a genocide.
 

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if you think this is a genocide then you want the whole from the river to the sea thing which a battle cry of kicking out/killing all the jews.
That is just absolute horseshit. That conclusion doesn't follow from the premise in any logical way.

Genocide has various historical definitions, but they usually surround efforts to destroy a national or ethnic group. Indicators of this include mass displacement, ethnic cleansing, mass abduction of children, etc. The IDF is actively engaged in quite a lot of these according to all reputable international observers. And saying this is just a "fucked up war" ignores the undeniable fact that a lot of this-- mass displacement, a two-tier legal system, common extrajudicial killings-- were ongoing even in times of supposed peace.
 
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