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Acting like a FOOL

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with the growing prevalence and awareness of skilled hackers(some of them with bones to pick)taking bold lunges at corporate, government and military organizations wouldn't it suck if the governments of the world attempted to turn on the people and the internet to protect their securities.

cause y'know,with Hactivist you'll have people with the ability and willingness to do structural and even financial harm for some ideals and legimate organizations will be siccing the law on the people to root out the problem.

wouldn't it suck having to procure a license to own a computer?

I don't much care enough for peoples ideals to let them destroy civil stability.

what are your opinions?
 

Nudu

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Fuck hackers. A bunch of self-proclaimed rebels fighting for the right to steal other people's work. Honestly, I have more respect for honest criminals who steal because they want stuff then hypocrites trying to justify what they do. If you want change then vote for a party that stands for your views. If such a party doesn't exist, make it.
 

Snork Maiden

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My opinion?

Acting like a FOOL said:
wouldn't it suck having to procure a license to own a computer?
That we aren't heading towards this at all. I don't think there is particularly a "growing prevalence of skilled hackers," and certainly not in such a fashion that military or serious financial organisations are worried. Just about every hack story I've read (including PSN) mostly involved ridicule toward the target for having security holes in the first place. Maybe I'm not reading the right stories, I don't know.

In any case... having to procure a computing license for any reason doesn't make sense on any level as a law, let alone as a piece of legislation designed to stop hackers.
 

Acting like a FOOL

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Snork Maiden said:
My opinion?

Acting like a FOOL said:
wouldn't it suck having to procure a license to own a computer?
That we aren't heading towards this at all. I don't think there is particularly a "growing prevalence of skilled hackers," and certainly not in such a fashion that military or serious financial organisations are worried. Just about every hack story I've read (including PSN) mostly involved ridicule toward the target for having security holes in the first place. Maybe I'm not reading the right stories, I don't know.

In any case... having to procure a computing license for any reason doesn't make sense on any level as a law, let alone as a piece of legislation designed to stop hackers.
I know I'm proposing stupid scenarios but it's a discussion I thought Id bring up. I mean how does one go about prosecuting Anon?
 

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Witches>communist>>Hackers?

Really, the main problem is that nearly every device in the modern sociality is a computer so that's not going to happen however a license to access the internet (World Wide Web) seems like a possibility as it can be regulated then however the governments are now relying on the WWW to help maintain a growth in the economy and provide bureaucratic services to the public, so... Maybe not?

Whatever happens there is going to be an huge increase of monitoring done both by commercial companies and secret agencies and possible giving the ISPs greater legal power over the consumer to enforce action quicker and reduce the damage caused by the person.

If quantum computing lives-up to it's hype then the government will have no worries about the data once it's encrypted.
 

Snork Maiden

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Acting like a FOOL said:
Snork Maiden said:
My opinion?

Acting like a FOOL said:
wouldn't it suck having to procure a license to own a computer?
That we aren't heading towards this at all. I don't think there is particularly a "growing prevalence of skilled hackers," and certainly not in such a fashion that military or serious financial organisations are worried. Just about every hack story I've read (including PSN) mostly involved ridicule toward the target for having security holes in the first place. Maybe I'm not reading the right stories, I don't know.

In any case... having to procure a computing license for any reason doesn't make sense on any level as a law, let alone as a piece of legislation designed to stop hackers.
I know I'm proposing stupid scenarios but it's a discussion I thought Id bring up. I mean how does one go about prosecuting Anon?
Well... not by imposing a computing license, for a start. Really, I don't know - I'd guess by however they persecuted hackers prior to anon. You obviously can't break down anon like a normal group by definition, but that doesn't mean you can't arrest the particular anon who hacks into a database (assuming catch him doing so). It also doesn't mean authorities can't have tabs on known/suspected hackers and try and do something about it if they perform malicious acts.
 

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Acting like a FOOL said:
with the growing prevalence and awareness of skilled hackers(some of them with bones to pick)taking bold lunges at corporate, government and military organizations wouldn't it suck if the governments of the world attempted to turn on the people and the internet to protect their securities.

cause y'know,with Hactivist you'll have people with the ability and willingness to do structural and even financial harm for some ideals and legimate organizations will be siccing the law on the people to root out the problem.

wouldn't it suck having to procure a license to own a computer?

I don't much care enough for peoples ideals to let them destroy civil stability.

what are your opinions?
There has been a lot of fiction on this very subject over the years. In the US it's fairly unlikely that we'll ever see anything like this done, due to there being an armed populance. The goverment deciding to take away people's computers or limit someone's access to a right that they have had since the inception of computers is not going to go over well well. In other countries, including some like Canada and the UK the situation is a bit more dire.

Right now civil stability is not even remotely in jeopardy, the only thing being affected is a few companies that are choosing to try and victimize people online and who are finding themeselves facing stiff opposition. The current situation with Sony kind of illustrates the stupidity of the masses of humanity, who are upset over being inconveinenced without looking at the actual issues at stake. The current battle having been provoked by nothing less than the issue of a person to own the property he paid for and to expect to receive an agreed upon service. Right now corperations like Sony are so heavily in control of the infrastructure due to their wealth that the protections we as people are supposed to enjoy do not apply. Basically we're looking at Sony getting "checked" by the people themselves due to exploitation.

If anything I think the message that should be taken away here is that there are lines that shouldn't be crossed, and if goverments were doing their jobs to protect the people against exploitation from companies like Sony, there wouldn't be a need for hackers.

Argueing that there should be controls on computers and anonimity sounds good until you find yourself getting it from every conceivable end without any real recourse. Social stability is only desirable when that same stability doesn't include your exploitation.

To be honest with you, hacker groups have been doing things like this for many years now. It's just that the mainstream is increasingly online, and big business is coming online in order to exploit the sheeple, and finding itself meeting a lot of opposition to it trying to enforce it's own order into a domain based largely on personal freedom.

I can't say I agree with hackers on everything, but when it comes to this issue Sony is so clearly in the wrong that it's not even funny. I find it sad that people are so intent on being consumer sheep that they can't even recognize people fighting for their interests.

In the end society has existed alongside things like The Internet for a long time now. The worst that can really happen here is that businesses will back away from The Internet since they won't be able to control it, and life will just go on. If businesses can agree to behave civilly and not exploit people, there likewise won't be an issue.

To be honest I am depressed how many people seem to think that less freedom and more regulation is a good idea.

That's my thoughts at any rate. I think people are getting too bent out of shape over the current situation, and really aren't looking at the big picture. Sony did nothing less than steal from every one of it's customers in shutting down the "other OS" option. No matter how they try and defend it with shady agreements and the like, that's what happened. There was no way to confront them within the legal system. Civil actions being too expensive, and none of the major goverments were lining up to prosecute. If you must be making complaints, look at the system that allowed this issue to arise in the first place. Had the legal system done it's job, there would be no reason for hacker vigilantes.

At the moment all Sony has to do to end this, is apologize, admit it was wrong, and agree not to do it again. Very, very simple. If Sony was to do this and the attacks continued, then they would be the good guys, but they haven't so right now this is all a slap fight between two groups of bad guys. That makes it time to get popcorn... not start begging the goverment to put yet more shackles on us.