The new Harry potter movie was dissapointing.

[SomeBritishDude]

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The whole problem with the harry potter series is that it has to be understandbale and therefore enjoyed by 2 major groups, those who have read the books, those who havent.
If you had read the book, you would know that voldemort made the port key the cup as he knew what time harry would get there so he could have everything prepared for his arrival ie the potion, the deatheaters being present etc , if it were his shoes or a broomstick, he would be transported at a random time and voldemort would be unprepared.

And for those who havent read the book, its a twist at the end where the baddy nearly captures the goody but the goody gets away but only with the loss of an insignificant character.
So in my eyes they have done OK for the audience they have to appeal to but having read the books myself, i feel let down by the films for lacking SOME of the sidelines which were pretty important in the books, but then again you dont notice these things if you havent read the books.

I'm a HUGE fan of the books and this still makes no sense. What if one of the tri wizard contestants had touched the cup first? Cedric reached the cup before Harry and could have very easily just taken it there and then. What if Harry had died? In the first task he faced one of the most deadly species of dragon, he nearly drowned during the second task and he crushed by a fucking giant spider during the 3rd, as well as facing a Sphinx which, if he had got the riddle wrong would have lightly killed him and many other dangers as well. I don't care what some may say about the extra precautions brought in in the reinterduction of the tournament, those kids were in danger, especially a 14 year old one.

Here's a better idea. The fake moody is given a set date to get Harry to the graveyard. He enchants one of the many, many items Harry will undoubtly touch that day a little while before. Harry is wizzed off the graveyard without putting him in any danger what so ever. Obviously the fake moody would be put in danger but it's pretty clear he's quite happy to sacrifice himself for the cause. It would also mean there's a lot less chance of him revealing himself before he can perform the most important act.

This would mean ofcourse that we wouldn't have the set of tasks that Harry has to go though that introduce a action scene and challenge every few chapters (which is a pretty cheap way to do what the first book already did in the last couple of chapters). So, assuming you wanted to keep this aspect, JK could have simply said that Port Keys have to be extremely powerful magical objects in order to transport someone to somewhere they don't want to be for instance. When people are off to the Quiddich world cup they want to be there, so it only takes stuff like moldy old boots. Harry doesn't want to be in a graveyard with a rotting snake baby and a rat like man doing his Ash from Evil Dead 2 impression so it would take a very powerful object to get him there, like the Goblet of Fire which could double up as the tri-wizard cup.

But instead we're left with a rediculous plot hole which makes in clear that JK simply needed a half assed reason to have a big tournament and to make sure Harry was in it. But it doesn't really make sense from this angle either. It's her world; she was creating plot holes for herself.

 

[jonny bhoy]

*snip*

The whole problem with the harry potter series is that it has to be understandbale and therefore enjoyed by 2 major groups, those who have read the books, those who havent.
If you had read the book, you would know that voldemort made the port key the cup as he knew what time harry would get there so he could have everything prepared for his arrival ie the potion, the deatheaters being present etc , if it were his shoes or a broomstick, he would be transported at a random time and voldemort would be unprepared.

And for those who havent read the book, its a twist at the end where the baddy nearly captures the goody but the goody gets away but only with the loss of an insignificant character.
So in my eyes they have done OK for the audience they have to appeal to but having read the books myself, i feel let down by the films for lacking SOME of the sidelines which were pretty important in the books, but then again you dont notice these things if you havent read the books.

I'm a HUGE fan of the books and this still makes no sense. What if one of the tri wizard contestants had touched the cup first? Cedric reached the cup before Harry and could have very easily just taken it there and then. What if Harry had died? In the first task he faced one of the most deadly species of dragon, he nearly drowned during the second task and he crushed by a fucking giant spider during the 3rd, as well as facing a Sphinx which, if he had got the riddle wrong would have lightly killed him and many other dangers as well. I don't care what some may say about the extra precautions brought in in the reinterduction of the tournament, those kids were in danger, especially a 14 year old one.

Here's a better idea. The fake moody is given a set date to get Harry to the graveyard. He enchants one of the many, many items Harry will undoubtly touch that day a little while before. Harry is wizzed off the graveyard without putting him in any danger what so ever. Obviously the fake moody would be put in danger but it's pretty clear he's quite happy to sacrifice himself for the cause. It would also mean there's a lot less chance of him revealing himself before he can perform the most important act.

This would mean ofcourse that we wouldn't have the set of tasks that Harry has to go though that introduce a action scene and challenge every few chapters (which is a pretty cheap way to do what the first book already did in the last couple of chapters). So, assuming you wanted to keep this aspect, JK could have simply said that Port Keys have to be extremely powerful magical objects in order to transport someone to somewhere they don't want to be for instance. When people are off to the Quiddich world cup they want to be there, so it only takes stuff like moldy old boots. Harry doesn't want to be in a graveyard with a rotting snake baby and a rat like man doing his Ash from Evil Dead 2 impression so it would take a very powerful object to get him there, like the Goblet of Fire which could double up as the tri-wizard cup.

But instead we're left with a rediculous plot hole which makes in clear that JK simply needed a half assed reason to have a big tournament and to make sure Harry was in it. But it doesn't really make sense from this angle either. It's her world; she was creating plot holes for herself.

I havent read the books in a while but im sure theres a reason why its specific to the tournament. But as you are away mad eye moody is not mad aye moody and is inactual fact someone else (cant remember the name, begins with a b?) but they are under the instructions to make sure harry wins the tournement, ie putting his name in the goblet, telling him to to get by the dragon, giving neville a book which has information gillyweed to help him with second task (which harry doesnt realise but dobby saves the day!) telling cedric to help him opening the egg, ie listening to it unerwater and then putting curses on krum to take out diggory and fleur in the third task. So it was all planned.

Just have a wee read at the books again because its clear you havent read them in a while and hopefully hidden in the detail you'll find the answer to why it had to be the cup for the portkey.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

*snip*

The whole problem with the harry potter series is that it has to be understandbale and therefore enjoyed by 2 major groups, those who have read the books, those who havent.
If you had read the book, you would know that voldemort made the port key the cup as he knew what time harry would get there so he could have everything prepared for his arrival ie the potion, the deatheaters being present etc , if it were his shoes or a broomstick, he would be transported at a random time and voldemort would be unprepared.

And for those who havent read the book, its a twist at the end where the baddy nearly captures the goody but the goody gets away but only with the loss of an insignificant character.
So in my eyes they have done OK for the audience they have to appeal to but having read the books myself, i feel let down by the films for lacking SOME of the sidelines which were pretty important in the books, but then again you dont notice these things if you havent read the books.

I'm a HUGE fan of the books and this still makes no sense. What if one of the tri wizard contestants had touched the cup first? Cedric reached the cup before Harry and could have very easily just taken it there and then. What if Harry had died? In the first task he faced one of the most deadly species of dragon, he nearly drowned during the second task and he crushed by a fucking giant spider during the 3rd, as well as facing a Sphinx which, if he had got the riddle wrong would have lightly killed him and many other dangers as well. I don't care what some may say about the extra precautions brought in in the reinterduction of the tournament, those kids were in danger, especially a 14 year old one.

Here's a better idea. The fake moody is given a set date to get Harry to the graveyard. He enchants one of the many, many items Harry will undoubtly touch that day a little while before. Harry is wizzed off the graveyard without putting him in any danger what so ever. Obviously the fake moody would be put in danger but it's pretty clear he's quite happy to sacrifice himself for the cause. It would also mean there's a lot less chance of him revealing himself before he can perform the most important act.

This would mean ofcourse that we wouldn't have the set of tasks that Harry has to go though that introduce a action scene and challenge every few chapters (which is a pretty cheap way to do what the first book already did in the last couple of chapters). So, assuming you wanted to keep this aspect, JK could have simply said that Port Keys have to be extremely powerful magical objects in order to transport someone to somewhere they don't want to be for instance. When people are off to the Quiddich world cup they want to be there, so it only takes stuff like moldy old boots. Harry doesn't want to be in a graveyard with a rotting snake baby and a rat like man doing his Ash from Evil Dead 2 impression so it would take a very powerful object to get him there, like the Goblet of Fire which could double up as the tri-wizard cup.

But instead we're left with a rediculous plot hole which makes in clear that JK simply needed a half assed reason to have a big tournament and to make sure Harry was in it. But it doesn't really make sense from this angle either. It's her world; she was creating plot holes for herself.

I havent read the books in a while but im sure theres a reason why its specific to the tournament. But as you are away mad eye moody is not mad aye moody and is inactual fact someone else (cant remember the name, begins with a b?) but they are under the instructions to make sure harry wins the tournement, ie putting his name in the goblet, telling him to to get by the dragon, giving neville a book which has information gillyweed to help him with second task (which harry doesnt realise but dobby saves the day!) telling cedric to help him opening the egg, ie listening to it unerwater and then putting curses on krum to take out diggory and fleur in the third task. So it was all planned.

Just have a wee read at the books again because its clear you havent read them in a while and hopefully hidden in the detail you'll find the answer to why it had to be the cup for the portkey.

I know it was planned but it was just about the most god awful plan imaginable. What if Mad eye had been caught giving Harry instructions? What if Harry had drowned in the second task, which he nearly did because he spent so much time faffing around the gilly weed nearly ran out? What if Cedric had reached the cup first? Hang on, scratch that, HE DID! The fake moody was suppose to get Cedric out of the way but he fucked up big time. Cedric reached the cup before Harry then, due to his concience he wanted Harry to take the cup, then Harry said much to his regret that they should take it at the same time. Seriously, there's so much that could have gone wrong it's rediculous.

I don't need a wee read. I used to be a rediculous Harry Potter fan boy. Hell, I used to listen to the audio books every night before I went to bed until I was 14. I know this shit, and I know there was next to no reason for the tournament. I suppose you could speculate that it was to put Harry in a situation where he wouldn't be under Dumbledores eye but I just don't buy it. The fake moody (real name Barty Crouch Junoir btw) had Harry on his own several times without Dumbledores knowledge. If Voldermort had simply asked him to play fake moody for the year while making sure Harry was out of harms way then sent him off to graveyard on the date his master had instructed via port key they could have avoided a lot of close calls and not had to put the dark lord's key ingredient in danger.