The odds of serious injury or death for female car crash victims is 73 percent higher than for males

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

For years, it has been reported that women are significantly more likely to be injured in car crashes than men?Jezebel wrote about the phenomenon back in 2011, when it appeared that seat belts were to blame. Most of the women harmed were, to quote USA Today nearly a decade ago, of "relatively short stature," and "preferred seating posture and a combination of factors yielding lower safety protection from the standard restraint devices." Cool, cool: seat belts weren?t designed with women in mind.
A new study from the University of Virginia suggests that, not only is the discrepancy still true, the crash test dummies commonly used to test vehicle safety runs are also at fault. Presumably, that?s because manufactures make very little effort to represent the bulk of human women when designing them.

As City Lab reports, "the odds of serious injury or death for female car-crash victims is 73 percent higher than for males," which could have something to do with the fact that "average male" type dummies are most frequently used in crucial safety testing. When "woman-type" dummy was introduced in 2003, it was, and still is, only 5 feet tall, and weighs 110 pounds, just a touch outside the dimensions of your average woman.

Jason Forman, one of the scientists conducting the University of Virginia study, told City Lab, "We obviously know a lot of ways that men and women are different bio-mechanically. These differences [fat distribution, pelvis shape]? have the potential to change the ways that seatbelts interact with the body and with our underlying skeletal structures." He added that the work to take this information and actually apply it to real-life safety measures "just simply has not been done yet."

https://jezebel.com/women-are-dying-in-car-accidents-because-the-only-femal-1836527298

So yea, women make up half the population, but automotive makers still haven't bothered to make them safe for women. Seatbelts, even when not in an accident leave marks and have even cut my neck due to where they rest on my body and I have had to disable my airbags due to my height putting me at risk of decapitation. I have to have my seat pulled up to the lowest setting to even reach the brake and gas, and there are still plenty of women shorter than I am. Cars are obviously not designed for women and you would think by now they would have started to work on that as there are plenty of women buying and riding in cars these days, but apparently it still is not a priority to automakers as they have not yet bothered.

 

[Saelune]

Ok so, this really brings alot of questions of regionality. Like, many car companies are Japanese, and Japanese men are well, typically shorter, smaller people. Now, I wonder though, for one, where was this data taken from? World-wide, or just US? How are international car companies run country to country? I guess there are probably factories in the Americas that build the cars, rather than shipping them directly from Japan.

How are safety tests done? Does the US do ones independant from Japan?

Ofcourse, is there a difference between the different automakers? Like, are Japanese cars better for women than German or American cars? Or are they perhaps Americanized for us?

I dont know shit about any of this, these are all just thoughts and questions I have on this.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Ok so, this really brings alot of questions of regionality. Like, many car companies are Japanese, and Japanese men are well, typically shorter, smaller people. Now, I wonder though, for one, where was this data taken from? World-wide, or just US? How are international car companies run country to country? I guess there are probably factories in the Americas that build the cars, rather than shipping them directly from Japan.

How are safety tests done? Does the US do ones independant from Japan?

Ofcourse, is there a difference between the different automakers? Like, are Japanese cars better for women than German or American cars? Or are they perhaps Americanized for us?

I dont know shit about any of this, these are all just thoughts and questions I have on this.

There are so many other factors though when needing test dummies for women vs men, not just their height. The skeletal structures and fat distribution are not the same, and women's prenatal and postnatal bodies are often drastically different. They really need to have extremely accurate and varied body representations to be able to determine the impact that an accident will actually have on women's bodies to be able to determine the dangers represented by their designs and they are not even attempting to do that at this point. Honestly, I don't think the way seat belts are designed are a good fit for women at all and they would likely need a new design all together as they do not account for breasts, womb and the shape of the pelvis in the first place. They are not just uncomfortable, but actually dangerous to women. Of course we should wear them until they have an alternative as flying through a windshield is still worse, but that does not mean they are actually safe for us to do so.

 

[stroopwafel]

The 'odds' is a very vague term. If you go by actual numbers I believe much more men are involved in car crashes, meaning excessive risk taking and overconfidence contributes much more to accidents. If a seatbelt straps you into the seat and prevents you from ejecting through the windshield it's done it's purpose. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on many kinds of body types not just if you're male or female. Someone can be too tall, too fat, too short etc. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to accomodate to each and every body type.

There is always some risk involved with driving a car, and it's not like seatbelts would prevent you from serious injury or death when hit from the side or front. Cars are safer than ever but it are still drivers with shit driving skills or being under influence or distracted that causes the majority of accidents.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

The 'odds' is a very vague term. If you go by actual numbers I believe much more men are involved in car crashes, meaning excessive risk taking and overconfidence contributes much more to accidents. If a seatbelt straps you into the seat and prevents you from ejecting through the windshield it's done it's purpose. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on many kinds of body types not just if you're male or female. Someone can be too tall, too fat, too short etc. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to accomodate to each and every body type.

There is always some risk involved with driving a car, and it's not like seatbelts would prevent you from serious injury or death when hit from the side or front. Cars are safer than ever but it are still drivers with shit driving skills or being under influence or distracted that causes the majority of accidents.

There is a difference between being " uncomfortable" and dangerous. People have actually been decapitated by their seatbelt due to the actual design. There is a reason you wear a safety harness instead of a seatbelt in racecars as the seatbelt was proven inadequate.
The seatbelt on me is not just uncomfortable it cuts into my neck to the point of actually makes me bleed, and leave a permanent mark on my neck, in an accident that would be far worse. I disagree that they could not better design cars to fit more body types and make adjustable a nd offer customizable options to make them safer. My father designed and built my car to his custom specifications along with all my brother's and sisters cars, you are making this out to be way more difficult than it actually is. With as much as we pay for cars, and their many customizable options, they should not have much of an issue offering something more substantial than just cupholders and custom seats, we should have more vehicles equipped with more options for safety features that actually matter. We already have cars with more adjustable seatbelt options, we just need to take this further and actually design features using different sexes and body types and make those options fit those individuals better. It isn't like it is difficult to change out seatbelts and seats easily, we already do this to give men more options in their seat design, this should be happening with seats and seatbelts designed from the ground up for women as well.

I think you do not realize how customizable cars already are, but I grew up in a family where my dad was designing, building and racing prostock cars, so I don't see things to be as rigid as that. When my dad wanted the car to be 5 inches shorter, he made a new frame so it would be shorter.. That is just how these things are done. Cars may be safer than ever for people they are designed to be safer for, but that does not mean they are necessarily safer for everyone else. It is time we change that. Car safety standards are ever evolving, this should just be their next evolution.

 

[Squilookle]

The 'odds' is a very vague term. If you go by actual numbers I believe much more men are involved in car crashes, meaning excessive risk taking and overconfidence contributes much more to accidents. If a seatbelt straps you into the seat and prevents you from ejecting through the windshield it's done it's purpose. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on many kinds of body types not just if you're male or female. Someone can be too tall, too fat, too short etc. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to accomodate to each and every body type.

There is always some risk involved with driving a car, and it's not like seatbelts would prevent you from serious injury or death when hit from the side or front. Cars are safer than ever but it are still drivers with shit driving skills or being under influence or distracted that causes the majority of accidents.

There is a difference between being " uncomfortable" and dangerous. People have actually been decapitated by their seatbelt due to the actual design. There is a reason you wear a safety harness instead of a seatbelt in racecars as the seatbelt was proven inadequate.
The seatbelt on me is not just uncomfortable it cuts into my neck to the point of actually makes me bleed, and leave a permanent mark on my neck, in an accident that would be far worse. I disagree that they could not better design cars to fit more body types and make adjustable a nd offer customizable options to make them safer. My father designed and built my car to his custom specifications along with all my brother's and sisters cars, you are making this out to be way more difficult than it actually is. With as much as we pay for cars, and their many customizable options, they should not have much of an issue offering something more substantial than just cupholders and custom seats, we should have more vehicles equipped with more options for safety features that actually matter. We already have cars with more adjustable seatbelt options, we just need to take this further and actually design features using different sexes and body types and make those options fit those individuals better. It isn't like it is difficult to change out seatbelts and seats easily, we already do this to give men more options in their seat design, this should be happening with seats and seatbelts designed from the ground up for women as well.

I think you do not realize how customizable cars already are, but I grew up in a family where my dad was designing, building and racing prostock cars, so I don't see things to be as rigid as that. When my dad wanted the car to be 5 inches shorter, he made a new frame so it would be shorter.. That is just how these things are done.

No doubt a seatbelt is inadequate for racing cars- because they are high performance vehicles that intentionally push the limits of speed and performance because of the nature of whatever sport they're operating in. Seatbelts chafe my neck badly too. That's why I... don't let them touch my neck? I'm not disputing that you have good points about the customisability of current safety features in cars, but if you're actually letting that seatbelt rest against the skin on your neck in the first place you're just asking for trouble. It should never ever be touching the neck, just like a scalding seatbelt clip that's been in the sun all afternoon has no business touching your flesh anywhere.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

The 'odds' is a very vague term. If you go by actual numbers I believe much more men are involved in car crashes, meaning excessive risk taking and overconfidence contributes much more to accidents. If a seatbelt straps you into the seat and prevents you from ejecting through the windshield it's done it's purpose. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on many kinds of body types not just if you're male or female. Someone can be too tall, too fat, too short etc. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to accomodate to each and every body type.

There is always some risk involved with driving a car, and it's not like seatbelts would prevent you from serious injury or death when hit from the side or front. Cars are safer than ever but it are still drivers with shit driving skills or being under influence or distracted that causes the majority of accidents.

There is a difference between being " uncomfortable" and dangerous. People have actually been decapitated by their seatbelt due to the actual design. There is a reason you wear a safety harness instead of a seatbelt in racecars as the seatbelt was proven inadequate.
The seatbelt on me is not just uncomfortable it cuts into my neck to the point of actually makes me bleed, and leave a permanent mark on my neck, in an accident that would be far worse. I disagree that they could not better design cars to fit more body types and make adjustable a nd offer customizable options to make them safer. My father designed and built my car to his custom specifications along with all my brother's and sisters cars, you are making this out to be way more difficult than it actually is. With as much as we pay for cars, and their many customizable options, they should not have much of an issue offering something more substantial than just cupholders and custom seats, we should have more vehicles equipped with more options for safety features that actually matter. We already have cars with more adjustable seatbelt options, we just need to take this further and actually design features using different sexes and body types and make those options fit those individuals better. It isn't like it is difficult to change out seatbelts and seats easily, we already do this to give men more options in their seat design, this should be happening with seats and seatbelts designed from the ground up for women as well.

I think you do not realize how customizable cars already are, but I grew up in a family where my dad was designing, building and racing prostock cars, so I don't see things to be as rigid as that. When my dad wanted the car to be 5 inches shorter, he made a new frame so it would be shorter.. That is just how these things are done.

No doubt a seatbelt is inadequate for racing cars- because they are high performance vehicles that intentionally push the limits of speed and performance because of the nature of whatever sport they're operating in. Seatbelts chafe my neck badly too. That's why I... don't let them touch my neck? I'm not disputing that you have good points about the customisability of current safety features in cars, but if you're actually letting that seatbelt rest against the skin on your neck in the first place you're just asking for trouble. It should never ever be touching the neck, just like a scalding seatbelt clip that's been in the sun all afternoon has no business touching your flesh anywhere.

The problem of course is due to my height, breasts, and shoulder width, I can't keep the seatbelt off of my neck. Whether I am the driver or a passenger, it always finds it's way back to my neck. I have gone as far as folding a sweater and cramming it in there to keep it from happening, as ridiculous as that looked, but it isn't like that is necessarily safe either. No matter where I try and put it my breasts keep forcing it back up against my neck regardless.

 

[stroopwafel]

The 'odds' is a very vague term. If you go by actual numbers I believe much more men are involved in car crashes, meaning excessive risk taking and overconfidence contributes much more to accidents. If a seatbelt straps you into the seat and prevents you from ejecting through the windshield it's done it's purpose. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on many kinds of body types not just if you're male or female. Someone can be too tall, too fat, too short etc. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to accomodate to each and every body type.

There is always some risk involved with driving a car, and it's not like seatbelts would prevent you from serious injury or death when hit from the side or front. Cars are safer than ever but it are still drivers with shit driving skills or being under influence or distracted that causes the majority of accidents.

There is a difference between being " uncomfortable" and dangerous. People have actually been decapitated by their seatbelt due to the actual design. There is a reason you wear a safety harness instead of a seatbelt in racecars as the seatbelt was proven inadequate.
The seatbelt on me is not just uncomfortable it cuts into my neck to the point of actually makes me bleed, and leave a permanent mark on my neck, in an accident that would be far worse. I disagree that they could not better design cars to fit more body types and make adjustable a nd offer customizable options to make them safer. My father designed and built my car to his custom specifications along with all my brother's and sisters cars, you are making this out to be way more difficult than it actually is. With as much as we pay for cars, and their many customizable options, they should not have much of an issue offering something more substantial than just cupholders and custom seats, we should have more vehicles equipped with more options for safety features that actually matter. We already have cars with more adjustable seatbelt options, we just need to take this further and actually design features using different sexes and body types and make those options fit those individuals better. It isn't like it is difficult to change out seatbelts and seats easily, we already do this to give men more options in their seat design, this should be happening with seats and seatbelts designed from the ground up for women as well.

I think you do not realize how customizable cars already are, but I grew up in a family where my dad was designing, building and racing prostock cars, so I don't see things to be as rigid as that. When my dad wanted the car to be 5 inches shorter, he made a new frame so it would be shorter.. That is just how these things are done. Cars may be safer than ever for people they are designed to be safer for, but that does not mean they are necessarily safer for everyone else. It is time we change that. Car safety standards are ever evolving, this should just be their next evolution.

Well yeah, duh. I'm sure anything is possible to adjust a car to your specific needs or comfort when you pay for it or have those specific skills yourself. But cars that simply roll out of the factory just have to comply with specific safety standards, and if they do they are safe to drive considering how tight these regulations are. Manufacturers will also hold themselves to the highest standard to prevent negligence. That women are at increased risk of being decapitated by seatbelts just sound bogus to me, and I bet there is not a single accident where that has ever taken place.

I'm all for increasing safety and comfort for every driver but at the end of the day you're still stuck with standard models, which might not provide a similar amount of comfort for every body type, male or female. Either buy a different car or have the car customized. I really don't see the problem here. Just sound like another whiny topic to demonstrate how even car manufacturers don't care about 'muh women' and only use straight, white, heterosexual male dummies in crash tests. I'm actually surprised no one mentioned how manufacturers are probably closet fat shamers as well.

 

[Baffle]

Can you not sit on a booster cushion?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

The 'odds' is a very vague term. If you go by actual numbers I believe much more men are involved in car crashes, meaning excessive risk taking and overconfidence contributes much more to accidents. If a seatbelt straps you into the seat and prevents you from ejecting through the windshield it's done it's purpose. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on many kinds of body types not just if you're male or female. Someone can be too tall, too fat, too short etc. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to accomodate to each and every body type.

There is always some risk involved with driving a car, and it's not like seatbelts would prevent you from serious injury or death when hit from the side or front. Cars are safer than ever but it are still drivers with shit driving skills or being under influence or distracted that causes the majority of accidents.

There is a difference between being " uncomfortable" and dangerous. People have actually been decapitated by their seatbelt due to the actual design. There is a reason you wear a safety harness instead of a seatbelt in racecars as the seatbelt was proven inadequate.
The seatbelt on me is not just uncomfortable it cuts into my neck to the point of actually makes me bleed, and leave a permanent mark on my neck, in an accident that would be far worse. I disagree that they could not better design cars to fit more body types and make adjustable a nd offer customizable options to make them safer. My father designed and built my car to his custom specifications along with all my brother's and sisters cars, you are making this out to be way more difficult than it actually is. With as much as we pay for cars, and their many customizable options, they should not have much of an issue offering something more substantial than just cupholders and custom seats, we should have more vehicles equipped with more options for safety features that actually matter. We already have cars with more adjustable seatbelt options, we just need to take this further and actually design features using different sexes and body types and make those options fit those individuals better. It isn't like it is difficult to change out seatbelts and seats easily, we already do this to give men more options in their seat design, this should be happening with seats and seatbelts designed from the ground up for women as well.

I think you do not realize how customizable cars already are, but I grew up in a family where my dad was designing, building and racing prostock cars, so I don't see things to be as rigid as that. When my dad wanted the car to be 5 inches shorter, he made a new frame so it would be shorter.. That is just how these things are done. Cars may be safer than ever for people they are designed to be safer for, but that does not mean they are necessarily safer for everyone else. It is time we change that. Car safety standards are ever evolving, this should just be their next evolution.

Well yeah, duh. I'm sure anything is possible to adjust a car to your specific needs or comfort when you pay for it or have those specific skills yourself. But cars that simply roll out of the factory just have to comply with specific safety standards, and if they do they are safe to drive considering how tight these regulations are. Manufacturers will also hold themselves to the highest standard to prevent negligence. That women are at increased risk of being decapitated by seatbelts just sound bogus to me, and I bet there is not a single accident where that has ever taken place.

I'm all for increasing safety and comfort for every driver but at the end of the day you're still stuck with standard models, which might not provide a similar amount of comfort for every body type, male or female. Either buy a different car or have the car customized. I really don't see the problem here. Just sound like another whiny topic to demonstrate how even car manufacturers don't care about 'muh women' and only use straight, white, heterosexual male dummies in crash tests. I'm actually surprised no one mentioned how manufacturers are probably closet fat shamers as well.

The highest safety standards for who? If they are not even testing cars for their safety to women, how can they possibly claim they are the highest safety standards? Having the highest safety standards for men leaves out half the population. Custom seats are already a pretty common thing, often people replace them themselves as it is due to wanting " bucket seats", as it isn't even difficult to do really. We just need some seats actually designed for women as options here. No women being decapitated by seatbelts is actually an issue. Of course something as decapitation is on the worst case end but women are seriously injured by their seatbelts all the time. And yes there have been reports of decapitation issues, I am surprised you had not heard about this before:

Katie Flynn was decapitated while wearing a seat belt, in a 2005 car crash on Long Island, New York.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/katie-flynn-car-crash/

Toyota ordered to pay $12.5 million to woman 'virtually decapitated' by seat belt

https://www.autonews.com/article/20141021/OEM11/141029967/toyota-ordered-to-pay-12-5-million-to-woman-virtually-decapitated-by-seat-belt

Of course people should STILL wear sealtbelt as the dangers of not wearing a seatbelt are far worse than wearing one, and that is why we do not like to focus on the injuries caused by the belts as much as we do on not wearing them, it is just we need to always work on improving them and we are not doing that if we are not even using women in the testing.

Women being 73% more likely to die in an accident is far from " whining" about a "non issue". The crash dummy they use hardly even has any breasts and does not even remotely represent an average woman's body type. Car manufacturers are not even offering customization options to increase safety for women because they do not even have adequate female test dummies to create them in the first place or did you forget about that part? Women are half the population, not some remote group, it is time they started being treated like it. Why are not half the standard test dummies women? Why are custom features not being designed for women's bodies? I am not saying that every car needs to be designed for women, the cars need to be designed and tested for the people who are driving them and half of those people happen to be women as well. You don't see the problem because it doesn't affect you, that does not mean there isn't a serious problem here.

You see this is an important factor here:

Crashes involving male drivers often are more severe than those involving female drivers. However, females are more likely than males to be killed or injured in crashes of equal severity

Females are being more severely injured by accidents that are not doing so to men. Yes, male drivers are in more severe accidents than women, but that is due to males being more reckless when driving and taking more risks. This is telling us that male drivers are more dangerous than females:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and more often engage in risky driving practices including not using safety belts, driving while impaired by alcohol, and speeding,"

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvdpgv/people-think-women-are-worse-drivers-than-menstatistics-say-otherwise

But even with the same severity of accidents women are dying because the car is not designed for "maximum safety standards" for women at all. THAT is the problem and not just some whiny BS as you suggested here.

Women being better drivers does not mean they should not also have cars better designed for their safety.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Can you not sit on a booster cushion?

\Then how would I reach the pedals?

 

[Baffle]

\Then how would I reach the pedals?

Wear platforms. I hear Gary Glitter doesn't get to wear his much any more.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

\Then how would I reach the pedals?

Wear platforms. I hear Gary Glitter doesn't get to wear his much any more.

Yea, sitting in a high chair and braking with stilts is going to make me safer while driving. XD

If It is my car and I am expected to drive it, would it not make more sense to have it designed with the driver's safety in mind? They cannot even design cars for women when they don't even use women's body shapes to design them in the first place. They do not have the data on women's bodies to be able to make a good design to begin with. That is where they need to start.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

Yup, leave it to Jezebel to squeeze one out to drive clicks and the outrage machine using one cherry-picked statistic that doesn't actually jive with driver, wreck, and fatality statistics as a factor of gender. And even then, they still manage to misrepresent the findings. The risk of injury or death is only higher in observed crashes of equal severity, and only among younger age groups.

Buh muh crash test dummies.

Women are actually the majority group of drivers in the US. Despite this, men still drive about 30% more miles per driver than women despite the mileage gap having been considerably narrowed in the past fifty years. Even controlling for mileage, women are overall less likely to be involved in wrecks and severe wrecks, less likely to be injured, and less likely to die, and incidence rate among women has decreased more among women than men despite this.

Men are also more likely to drive less safe vehicles, and engage in riskier behaviors, than women. Including distracted driving which is vastly more common among women drivers, despite the current lack of data on it and incorporation into larger data sets as a high-risk behavior.

Which is why approximately 40-50% more men (depending on year of study and source) die per year in car wrecks than women. Buh muh crash test dummies!

Sources/information:

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/gender

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvdpgv/people-think-women-are-worse-drivers-than-menstatistics-say-otherwise

https://www.allenandallen.com/the-influence-of-gender-in-motor-vehicle-fatalities/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/men-vs-women-who-are-safer-drivers/

https://news.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/women-drivers-closing-the-mileage-gap-findings-20150511.pdf

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/07/10/494586.htm

https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving

 

[bluegate]

https://jezebel.com/women-are-dying-in-car-accidents-because-the-only-femal-1836527298

So yea, women make up half the population, but automotive makers still haven't bothered to make them safe for women. Seatbelts, even when not in an accident leave marks and have even cut my neck due to where they rest on my body and I have had to disable my airbags due to my height putting me at risk of decapitation. I have to have my seat pulled up to the lowest setting to even reach the brake and gas, and there are still plenty of women shorter than I am. Cars are obviously not designed for women and you would think by now they would have started to work on that as there are plenty of women buying and riding in cars these days, but apparently it still is not a priority to automakers as they have not yet bothered.

Is the problem here that you are a woman or that you are just a short person? Seems to be the latter rather than the former.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Yup, leave it to Jezebel to squeeze one out to drive clicks and the outrage machine using one cherry-picked statistic that doesn't actually jive with driver, wreck, and fatality statistics as a factor of gender. And even then, they still manage to misrepresent the findings. The risk of injury or death is only higher in observed crashes of equal severity, and only among younger age groups.

Buh muh crash test dummies.

Women are actually the majority group of drivers in the US. Despite this, men still drive about 30% more miles per driver than women despite the mileage gap having been considerably narrowed in the past fifty years. Even controlling for mileage, women are overall less likely to be involved in wrecks, less likely to be injured, and less likely to die, and incidence rate among women has decreased more among women than men despite this.

Men are also more likely to drive less safe vehicles, and engage in riskier behaviors, than women. Including distracted driving which is vastly more common among women drivers, despite the current lack of data on it and incorporation into larger data sets as a high-risk behavior.

Sources/information:

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/gender

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvdpgv/people-think-women-are-worse-drivers-than-menstatistics-say-otherwise

https://www.allenandallen.com/the-influence-of-gender-in-motor-vehicle-fatalities/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/men-vs-women-who-are-safer-drivers/

https://news.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/women-drivers-closing-the-mileage-gap-findings-20150511.pdf

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/07/10/494586.htm

https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving

I think you missed the point. As bolded above in the thread already, yes, men are worse drivers and cause more accidents, but the same severity of accidents result in more severe injuries in women. When a man and a woman have the same exact accidents, men are injured less. That is the entire point of the article here.

No one said that men had less accidents, it is that when women are in the same severity of accident, they are injured worse because they do not even have crash dummies to be able to test the data on women in the first place. The cars are not being designed to increase the safety to women because they do not even have the data available to do so. They cannot obtain the data without actually using women's bodies to gather the data in the first place. You cannot design a car for a woman driver without actually using a woman's body.

Men's stats here are pretty irrelevant to the topic outside of a comparison for the same severity of accident.

If a woman is going to be the only driver of their car, why is it still being designed for a man?

EDIT: This is about women having cars designed for their safety, not about men demanding all cars be designed for them because they want to drive like lunatics.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

https://jezebel.com/women-are-dying-in-car-accidents-because-the-only-femal-1836527298

So yea, women make up half the population, but automotive makers still haven't bothered to make them safe for women. Seatbelts, even when not in an accident leave marks and have even cut my neck due to where they rest on my body and I have had to disable my airbags due to my height putting me at risk of decapitation. I have to have my seat pulled up to the lowest setting to even reach the brake and gas, and there are still plenty of women shorter than I am. Cars are obviously not designed for women and you would think by now they would have started to work on that as there are plenty of women buying and riding in cars these days, but apparently it still is not a priority to automakers as they have not yet bothered.

Is the problem here that you are a woman or that you are just a short person? Seems to be the latter rather than the former.

Both. My height is only one part of it, I have large breasts on a petite frame and I carry them high with a small waist with an hourglass type body shape. This prevents the seatbelt from crossing my body and resting where it should. The seat belt has a huge space across my lower body and then pushes hard on the top of my body. I can slide in and out of the lap belt, which also causes me to slide forward because the lap belt is based on the width of the seat which is much wider than I am. I can slide under the lap belt entirely while having the shoulder strap choking me. The whole design is a mess for someone like me.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

...When a man and a woman have the same exact accidents, men are injured less...

Just never mind the whole thing about severe injury and fatality incidence decreasing at a faster rate among women than men, despite the milage gap closing due to women's average mileage approaching men's. Women are driving more and having less injurious and fatal wrecks, period.

Never mind the actual study in question [https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811766] pointing out fatality and injury discrepancy between men and women is a factor of age.

Muh crash test dummies.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

...When a man and a woman have the same exact accidents, men are injured less...

Just never mind the whole thing about severe injury and fatality incidence decreasing at a faster rate among women than men, despite the milage gap closing due to women's average mileage approaching men's. Women are driving more and having less injurious and fatal wrecks, period.

Never mind the actual study in question [https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811766] pointing out fatality and injury discrepancy between men and women is a factor of age.

Muh crash test dummies.

Women being better drivers is irrelevant to having a car designed for their safety. Men wanting to drive like lunatics is not a "reason" to not design cars for women. If more drivers are women, that means those women driving should have cars designed for their safety.

If a man is not driving my car, there is no reason it should be designed for a man. Men doing stupid shat is irrelevant to how a car driven by me should be designed. Simply because women have less accidents then men is not a reason to ignore our safety.

EDIT: Age is not the actual determining factor, body size and shape is, as it is pretty well known that most people get fatter as they age so women would be less likely to have the design issues the more they fill up the seat. If I was fatter, I would not have the problem of sliding under the lapbelt due to the width of the lapbelt being based on the size if the seat, which is much wider than I am. The correlation between age has to do with average weight gain than the actual age itself, and not all women get fat as they age BTW. Some women have this issue for their entire lives.

You have to look at what is happening to their actual bodies during an accident. If a woman is sliding under the seat belt, as I do, it is not doing it's job.

 

[Baffle]

Yea, sitting in a high chair and braking with stilts is going to make me safer while driving. XD

I feel I'm throwing out good solutions and you're being picky about safety. Have you considered just getting a motorbike? Or a boat?