The Paradox Thread
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You are assuming that this is an infinite loop of a never-ending scenario. If you assume time is not fixed and can be changed, that means you (when time travel was invented) decided to go back in time to tell yourself to do what you are doing. Thus creating a paradox of your own making.Gilbert Munch said:
But if what your saying is time is fixed and you cant change it, the paradox never started and will never end. Thus being a paradox with no inherent meaning other than to keep itself going.
Of corse you could always decide not to send yourself through time, this breaking the paradox, but that depends on wether time is fixed or not. Wether you control how the paradox ends, or wether (even by accident) you will go back in time, give yourself the teapot, and start again.
Woah, woah, woah, hold up.oppp7 said:
Time travel is not, technically, impossible. Do you know of the twin paradox? If not, here's a thread. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.137918?page=1
The end result of the travelling to a distant star and back was that the twin left on earth became older.
Now, have you ever heard of white holes? These are the theoretical opposites of black holes. It is supposedly possible to link a black hole with a white one, so that whatever goes in the black hole comes out of the white one. You now have a wormhole. Now, you take the one end and speed off to a distant star, and then come back. You still have a wormhole, but one end is younger than the other, so whatever goes in, comes out the other end in the past.
I have probably explained that incorrectly, but I believe the principle is right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Using_wormholes
I see your point, and I am assuming that the time is fixed. However, as I said, there wasn't much thought placed into this and it's just a speculative idea.Timelord91 said:
What I thought was interesting about this concept was the nature of the teapot. It would, in theory, be infinitely old, and older than the universe by an infinite number of times. Perhaps when more thought is put into it it starts to fall apart under the scrutiny, but hey! I'm content with my everlasting teapot.
Now, if only I could put a gobstopper in this speculative time loop...
I dont know if this is a parodox, just a weird mindfuck.
You are walking on a long road annd suddenly a man appears in front of you and gives you a box and a card that will let you travel back in time.
On the box, their is a note that says "Give this to yourself 5 seconds in the past".
So the man was you. Or mabye you are a women. Or mbaye a tree branch that has become sentient and has learned to type.
I dunno its prettey identicle to Gilbert munches parodox.
You are walking on a long road annd suddenly a man appears in front of you and gives you a box and a card that will let you travel back in time.
On the box, their is a note that says "Give this to yourself 5 seconds in the past".
So the man was you. Or mabye you are a women. Or mbaye a tree branch that has become sentient and has learned to type.
I dunno its prettey identicle to Gilbert munches parodox.
except that its not PROVEN that time is nonlinear. If time does not flow forward, as we percieve, and instead is some nonlinear mess of things happening at any point, then yes, this and most about all time paradoxes are rendered meaningless. however if time DOES flow in one direction, then this does present a possible paradox.
Interesting one.
We decided in school once to do an experiment. We all agreed that if time travel were ever made possible and accessible to us, we'd come back to that moment and confirm it. The only problem is of course that our adult selves would likely forget where and exactly when that moment was. So to get round this we made notes of the exact time and place, addresses them to our future selves and vowed to keep them.
Of course I still have my note. Somewhere. I'm sure I can dig it out if time travel does become accessible.
Needless to say no future us appeared that day. Which either meant that time travel is not discovered and accessible within any of my nor my school friends life times. Or perhaps that the TV shows have it right about alternate dimensions and times.
What has struck me though when thinking about time travel is that if it ever was invented, it would always have been invented. If you see what I mean. I think if time travel was ever going to be invented, we'd know about because of all the travellers from the future.
Just as modern mass and personal transportation and media has made all the world accessible, and is steadily working to make it all the same. So time travel would eventually (if such a term can be used four-dimensionally) render all time periods accessible and similar. Technology from the 'future' would permeate the past.
Disclaimer: This post was either so high-brow and complex that I should be awarded a doctorate for it, or it was utter b*llocks. I think I know which...
We decided in school once to do an experiment. We all agreed that if time travel were ever made possible and accessible to us, we'd come back to that moment and confirm it. The only problem is of course that our adult selves would likely forget where and exactly when that moment was. So to get round this we made notes of the exact time and place, addresses them to our future selves and vowed to keep them.
Of course I still have my note. Somewhere. I'm sure I can dig it out if time travel does become accessible.
Needless to say no future us appeared that day. Which either meant that time travel is not discovered and accessible within any of my nor my school friends life times. Or perhaps that the TV shows have it right about alternate dimensions and times.
What has struck me though when thinking about time travel is that if it ever was invented, it would always have been invented. If you see what I mean. I think if time travel was ever going to be invented, we'd know about because of all the travellers from the future.
Just as modern mass and personal transportation and media has made all the world accessible, and is steadily working to make it all the same. So time travel would eventually (if such a term can be used four-dimensionally) render all time periods accessible and similar. Technology from the 'future' would permeate the past.
Disclaimer: This post was either so high-brow and complex that I should be awarded a doctorate for it, or it was utter b*llocks. I think I know which...
I disapprove of your avatar.8-Bit_Jack said:
That is all.
Plus, I was first. *Wah, wah, I want my blanky* /talking like a kid
OT: For my original paradox, I like to assume that time flows in a straight line.
Gilbert Munch said:
i figured you might, but that is irrelevant. Let us instead remember that raptors were pack hunters, and that all the best philosophers should have colleagues to discuss their discourse.
You Couarage Wolf. Me Philosoraptor.8-Bit_Jack said:
But seriously... please? Because what you wrote above seems to imply that you... took my avatar? And it's not irrelevant, I like to have my own identity on this forum.
[small]No one point out that having a meme as my avatar makes me almost identity-less...[/small]
Gilbert Munch said:
no, i have never seen you before today. I just picked this avatar when i finally made my login (because i raged so hard at another forum) because i had it on my comp and i have yet to find a new one. dont worry, my little friend, it will be changed eventually.
*points it out just because you said not to*
If when you're fifty you go back in time and murder yourself when you're 10 then you never would have grown to be 50 and murdered yourself. Right?