The Police are Ignoring me!

[Ragsnstitches]

And what? You think you're behaviour was any less foolish? If you're an idiot enough to walks up to a man who just stabbed someone in cold blood, gives him a stern talking to, and expect to walk away without being stabbed or at the very least smacked upside the head, you're a fool.

And If that's too preposterous of a analogy, let's look at your own situation. If you're such a brave and courageous individual, why didn't you get out of your vehicle and dispense your own "Justice". Because you valued your safety over teaching a bunch of hoons a lesson.

With that said, I do agree with you that there does appear to be a glaring fault on the police departments end that you should continue to pursue.

Yet again... ffs... stop derailing. But to answer your trolling accusations:
1) I pulled over and asked them "What the f*** are you doing?!"
2) They stopped beside my car (holding up traffic behind us) and immediately got out of their car before I could even react.

I'm starting to think that you people ARE the hoons in question. Why would you support their behaviour? What is wrong with you people?

Victim blaming seems pretty typical on this site. They support their logic with added benefit of hindsight and then feel all superior and intelligent as a result.

Of course you wouldn't have done it if you knew it was going to happen. No one takes a beating for no reason. But these guys were dicks and needed to be told off. I stand behind your decision.

 

[Zeckt]

I'm really sorry you got hurt, I don't mean to blame the victim and I'm very sorry but please try to avoid any sort of driving confrontation even if they are clearly in the wrong. You don't have to be the one to tell them the message when it could very well get you hurt its just not worth it.

I just read an article about a cop punching someone over 30 times in the head over road rage just yesterday. Stories like this happen all the time.

 

[gideonkain]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

 

[Stu35]

It's kind of your own fault that three guys strangled you, you did provoke them. If there's a dick in a car that you just overtook, you don't get out to "yell" at them that's insane. What did you think would happen when you yelled at them? There isn't much the police could do about it, if you had the reg of the car then maybe they could have followed it up. The police shouldn't have completely ignored you when you reported it. They committed two crimes dangerous driving and assault so the police should have done something.

2) You're advising never to stand up to a bully.

No, he is saying don't be an idiot and use common sense - three guys who don't care for road safety aren't going to be the most reasonable of people.

2) You're advising never to stand up to a bully.

No, he's really not. He's advising that the scenario you ended up in was your own design and ill-advised.

... Hmmm.

Interesting.


I notice that, whenever rape comes up in discussion on these forums, two camps emerge - the "women should take action to try and mitigate a real threat thats out there" and "STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM YOU HEARTLESS BASTARD".


Now, given the way I've presented those two arguments, I'm sure you can see which camp I'm in.

My initial thoughts were to disagree with the above quoted (and everyone else who has said words to this effect), I've considered that this may make me look like a hypocrite...

Fuck it, yeah, I guess I'm a Hypocrite - There's fuck all wrong with standing up to bullies, and people who say they brought it on themselves should go fuck themselves, the cowards.

Although, in truth, I don't feel MUCH of a hypocrite, because advising women not to walk down dark alleys and wear short skirts with no panties, is not the same as saying that those who assault them shouldn't be punished (which honestly, seems to be what some people are saying here).


So, to that end - yes, you were probably being the proverbial girl walking down the dark alley at 3 am, but that doesn't mean what the cunts did wasn't a crime.

Dude sorry you had to find out that way but police generally don't give a shit about that stuff. Nobody died and nobody was doing marijuana.

I've had a break in, the window was busted up and they could easily get prints off it. They simply said it wasn't worth their time and that they had more important things to do.

To be fair, that CSI 'getting prints' stuff is mostly bullshit - yes it can be done, but it costs a lot of money to succesfully lift prints(and throw in all the additional analysis and adding them to a database nonsense), and unless you live in a country with full biometric enrolment (such a place does not, to my knowledge, exist) they're potentially not going to give you any useful information anyway(Dunno about where you're from, but in England and Wales they can't hold peoples biometric information on file).

Unfortunate, however for some reason any time a government tries to get it's people all fingerprinted up and on a database, theres a massive outcry about human rights and whinging about invasions of privacy.

 

[Furioso]

Come to Detroit, it's much worse, we can't even get the cops to show up for FUCKING MURDERS. And this happens on a regular basis, the cops just don't bother, or it will take hours to show up, and there are multiple news stories on this daily. The firetrucks don't show up either.

well yeah...It's friggen' Detroit. I can sort of see why the police force in that cesspool might not have the man power it needs.

Yea but the problem is that before it was a joke that Detroit was a city like that, but just recently it has become a horrible reality

Well economic downturns, minorities, drugs, and all the usual nonsense and the like. What can one do?

Not so much that, but more of the incredibly corrupt and incompetent government blowing money out their ass, the mayor says the city will be totally bankrupt by either this week or next week, and every time a solution is offered, such as a city manager, by the state government the city rejects it because they don't want the "white man" telling them what to do

That would definitely require more elaboration. Please continue.

A full explanation would require pages of writing and research, but I wasn't kidding, they are literally saying they don't want the white man to come in and tell Detroit what to do, meanwhile they all take gargantuan paychecks and much more and ignore all of it. It's not even fair to call it a city anymore, it's mostly ruins, time even did a photo essay thing on that http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.html

This...Has to be the most pathetic thing i've seen this year. And people actually go along with this?

I pray that it's the loud minority behind it, but they both want help, and reject it. They all raise hell on how horrid the situation is, but when anyone tries to help, which in most cases comes from outside Detroit, they continue to reject it in favor of "doing it themselves" and then they re-elect the same people that have caused it to slide into oblivion, and those pictures I showed are mostly only important sites, what you don't see are the literal blocks upon blocks in neighborhoods with burned out and abandoned homes. Oh yea, just remembered, the street lights don't work either (40% of them)

 

[manic_depressive13]

Mostly this...
Except... how is it OP's poor judgement?
The guy was going 20Km/h under the speed limit, he had every right to overtake them...
Law states that if you're being overtaken, you cannot accelerate abruptly or purely because you were being overtaken at the time... IT'S A FUCKING QUESTION TO GET YOUR LICENCE!?!

And if I was nearly killed because of some dick who couldn't drive I'd want to pick up the nearest heavy object and beat the shit out of the guy...

OT: Yeah, cops are lazy... I mean, in Queensland the pizza has a faster response rate... THAT'S how great they are...
Or at least how great the pizza store is anyway... now I'm hungry... -.-

I said "slightly poor judgement" because there was not really anything to be gained by stopping and screaming at the guys. I don't think he was wrong to try and overtake. Unfortunately it turned out the guys in the other car were cunts in every way possible.

The police do things: "MAKE THEM STOP DOING THINGS!"

The police stop doing things: "MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING!"

And people wonder why I cease to care about what people think of the police.

So "stop using excessive force" and "take appropriate action when someone engages in risky and illegal behaviour" is somehow contadictory and unreasonable? That's quite petty. I don't see why I would want people who respond to constructive criticism by throwing a hissy fit in positions of authority.

 

[Rottweiler]

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The car stopped. You had to be there. They stopped and started and laughed like idiots. They were enjoying holding me up, this wasn't a 'new' driver. They tried to run me off the road.

I don't know how much clearer I can make it? I wasn't up their ass!

I suppose I need a bit more clarity, then. From what you wrote, they were driving slowly and more or less acting like yobbos- got that. What you have not made clear is why you couldn't have pulled off the road and used your cell phone to report them, let them drive away for several minutes, then gone along after they had preceded you by a few minutes. *Before* trying to pass them.

I admit, I am stuck on where you tried to pass them when they were driving unsafely. No one here supports what they did, or their assault on you, far from it. However, I think a lot of us feel your actions- which you seem to underplay a great deal- were (from an unbiased perspective) as bad or worse from a danger to others standpoint.

One of my overall points is that if *I* get that from your description of events, what did the *Police* get from your description?

You seem to be focused on the End Result: at the end of the whole incident one of them choked you. Viewed separately from everything else, that was an Assault and no one disagrees that it should be reported and prosecuted.

My problem is that you're glossing over your own actions in the matter and focusing entirely on why the Police haven't acted or kept you in the loop.

As to the Police issue- I don't know why they haven't contacted you. I recommend just keeping at them.

 

[Jewrean]

Just a heads up Different laws in the US i believe its illegal to drive a certain amount below the speed limit or some such. No such law in the UK, the victim can be contested just because OP posted doesn't mean he was the victim it's only here say.

Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.

You still didn't read above. The other driver stopped in the middle of the road entirely. The speed zone was 60km/h btw residential, I went to overtake (because there didn't SEEM to be anyone on the other side) and as I did he MATCHED my speed whether I was speeding up or slowing down.

Why are you hell bent on trolling me?

 

[Jewrean]

The police do things: "MAKE THEM STOP DOING THINGS!"

The police stop doing things: "MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING!"

And people wonder why I cease to care about what people think of the police.

I don't wonder at all.

 

[Jewrean]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

No... maybe in your mind. I actually believe in justice. Don't put your limited personality onto me. I'm not a generic fuck-wit. I legitimately believed that these guys could do the crime to someone else and that they should be stopped for it.

 

[Jewrean]

I suppose I need a bit more clarity, then. From what you wrote, they were driving slowly and more or less acting like yobbos- got that. What you have not made clear is why you couldn't have pulled off the road and used your cell phone to report them, let them drive away for several minutes, then gone along after they had preceded you by a few minutes. *Before* trying to pass them.

I admit, I am stuck on where you tried to pass them when they were driving unsafely. No one here supports what they did, or their assault on you, far from it. However, I think a lot of us feel your actions- which you seem to underplay a great deal- were (from an unbiased perspective) as bad or worse from a danger to others standpoint.

One of my overall points is that if *I* get that from your description of events, what did the *Police* get from your description?

You seem to be focused on the End Result: at the end of the whole incident one of them choked you. Viewed separately from everything else, that was an Assault and no one disagrees that it should be reported and prosecuted.

My problem is that you're glossing over your own actions in the matter and focusing entirely on why the Police haven't acted or kept you in the loop.

As to the Police issue- I don't know why they haven't contacted you. I recommend just keeping at them.

1) Your first point, I did not think about that. Good idea. But it wouldn't have occurred to me in the heated situation.
2) That's because overtaking when there isn't visually anyone else in the other lane is considered a safe thing to do. I never actually went over the speed limit. I didn't break a single law.
3) As for the police, this whole incident took 3 pages to describe. What I've given you is a far simplified version. Perhaps lack of communication?

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Reminds me of story one of my house mates who was studying law told me.

Guy rings cops and says 2 guys have broken into his garage and are loading there van with my stuff. cops said sorry there is no cops available at this time, or something like that.

15 mins had passed guy rings cops again and says, " Hi i rang about 15 mins ago to tell you some guys have broken into my garage and where loading there van up, well it dont matter now as i've shot them" and hangs up

few mins later a dozen coppers show up and chopper and dog units.
copper asks the guy thought you said you shot them (they had them cuffed) guy says thought you said no one was available.

That's not your story or your Solicitor/Lawyer friends.

That's a popular web meme that I can't be bothered to look up but I have no doubt other people already have.

Poor show

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

No... maybe in your mind. I actually believe in justice. Don't put your limited personality onto me. I'm not a generic fuck-wit. I legitimately believed that these guys could do the crime to someone else and that they should be stopped for it.

One interesting thing here is.... the amount of people that have not agreed with you that you've accused of being trolls. No, they are not trolls, they are participating in a conversation you've started.

What you have done is NOT justice!!

Stop trying to palm it off as justice you massively righteous twit.

You got annoyed with someone for being an arse. That I can understand and support you for. People annoy me all the time. At the end I deal with it though and weigh up the greater situation and generally move on.

Everything that followed from those guys acting like twats is on YOU. YOU stopping to shout what ever you did is YOU wanting revenge/being stupid. YOU got choked because YOU wanted to tell people off! YOU didn't have the sense to drive away.

YOU instigated a situation by stopping and aggravating a bunch of twats that were clearly looking for trouble.

Congratulations. YOU got retribution by chastising some yobs who wanted chastising so they could ruff some Billy Big Boots up.

In case YOU didn't guess... YOU are Billy Big Boots.

 

[Rastien]

Just a heads up Different laws in the US i believe its illegal to drive a certain amount below the speed limit or some such. No such law in the UK, the victim can be contested just because OP posted doesn't mean he was the victim it's only here say.

Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.

You still didn't read above. The other driver stopped in the middle of the road entirely. The speed zone was 60km/h btw residential, I went to overtake (because there didn't SEEM to be anyone on the other side) and as I did he MATCHED my speed whether I was speeding up or slowing down.

Why are you hell bent on trolling me?

Dude, regardless of that you decided to stop and have a go, then got smacked are you saying that if you hadn't stopped and got strangled you still would have decided to call the police?

 

[Jewrean]

Just a heads up Different laws in the US i believe its illegal to drive a certain amount below the speed limit or some such. No such law in the UK, the victim can be contested just because OP posted doesn't mean he was the victim it's only here say.

Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.

You still didn't read above. The other driver stopped in the middle of the road entirely. The speed zone was 60km/h btw residential, I went to overtake (because there didn't SEEM to be anyone on the other side) and as I did he MATCHED my speed whether I was speeding up or slowing down.

Why are you hell bent on trolling me?

Dude, regardless of that you decided to stop and have a go, then got smacked are you saying that if you hadn't stopped and got strangled you still would have decided to call the police?

Yes. Every time I see someone driving dangerously I report it. No one ever contacts me back though.

 

[Jewrean]

Stuff

But they are, they aren't sticking to the actual question. Regardless of who 'instigated' the crime, a crime took place. Therefore, it should be looked into or officially put to rest. Not ignored. Instead, a lot of you are simply bashing my actions when they are irrelevant.

Some people have sided with you but didn't do it in a condescending way, then they proceeded to give what they thought was constructive advice. They aren't trolls. They are trying to further the discussion in a positive way.

And yes... it is justice. Yet again, I'm not like you. Your world view isn't the same as everyone else so stop attaching it to everything and calling it logical. You are applying your experiences to others (which would normally count as advice) but then putting a negative spin on it by commenting only on my actions and not of the police.

This isn't some internet arguement contest where the person who is MOST right gets a prize. There's no point telling me off because I'm unashamed of my actions, I started a dialogue based purely on the actions of the police, which is in the title.

It also sounds to me that if you think this is all about pride, then you mustn't have any yourself... you're criticizing me for standing up for what I think is right... I imagine (being a human being) that you would also stand up for what you think is right but just in a different way. Why sit there criticizing my way of standing up for what I believe in (my personality, my very way of being) when I'm clearly not listening to your 'logic'? Not everyone conforms to your sense of logic just like not everyone conforms to my sense of logic.

In a way, I was doing the same thing to them. But there's a difference here of course:
-They broke the laws of he land
-They endangered other peoples lives on purpose (their beliefs therefore become null and void)

 

[Jewrean]

That is why you call the police to report a dangerous driver. You try to take matters into your own hands and, well.. some asshole takes your neck into HIS hands.

In truth, I did not want to stop so I could yell at them. I pulled over to the side of the round-about because it was the turn off to my house and I didn't want them to know where I lived. They could of kept on driving but instead stopped in the middle of the round about blocking me off and blocking the traffic behind us.

It's not like I was hunting them down to yell at them as many of you seem to think I was. I didn't want to be tail-gated to where I lived (just around the corner). Stopping was the only thing I could think of.

And unless the crime is still actually happening, I'm never ringing the police again seeming as I know nothing will be done.

 

[gideonkain]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

No... maybe in your mind. I actually believe in justice. Don't put your limited personality onto me. I'm not a generic fuck-wit. I legitimately believed that these guys could do the crime to someone else and that they should be stopped for it.

Limited personality? As opposed to an "unlimited personality"?
When you arrange words, try to make them into a coherent thought.

I legitimately believe those guys will commit more crimes too - but here's the thing Batman: Standing up for what your believe in isn't automatically "courageous".

You acted stupid, got your pride hurt, got *****-slapped on the side of the road for it and regardless of the Police's lack of response the whole incident could have been easily avoided.

Now you must live with the fact that you acted like a fool in response to other's acting like fools.

If this happens again a few years from now when you, your wife and two children are in the car, I wouldn't be surprised if your thirst for "justice" gets not only you, but your loved ones hurt as well.

 

[Jewrean]

Limited personality? As opposed to an "unlimited personality"?
When you arrange words, try to make them into a coherent thought.

I legitimately believe those guys will commit more crimes too - but here's the thing Batman: Standing up for what your believe in isn't automatically "courageous".

You acted stupid, got your pride hurt, got *****-slapped on the side of the road for it and regardless of the Police's lack of response the whole incident could have been easily avoided.

Now you must live with the fact that you acted like a fool in response to other's acting like fools.

If this happens again a few years from now when you, your wife and two children are in the car, I wouldn't be surprised if your thirst for "justice" gets not only you, but your loved ones hurt as well.

1) Don't grammar Nazi.
2) Read my most recent post.
3) Yet again, not about pride. Fool.
4) I could explain my reasoning, yet again. But I won't seeming as you won't read it. Keep thinking you're taking the logical high-road all you want. It's all just opinion at the end of the day and what we are both saying is making no difference to the world around us.

 

[gideonkain]

Limited personality? As opposed to an "unlimited personality"?
When you arrange words, try to make them into a coherent thought.

I legitimately believe those guys will commit more crimes too - but here's the thing Batman: Standing up for what your believe in isn't automatically "courageous".

You acted stupid, got your pride hurt, got *****-slapped on the side of the road for it and regardless of the Police's lack of response the whole incident could have been easily avoided.

Now you must live with the fact that you acted like a fool in response to other's acting like fools.

If this happens again a few years from now when you, your wife and two children are in the car, I wouldn't be surprised if your thirst for "justice" gets not only you, but your loved ones hurt as well.

1) Don't grammar Nazi.
2) Read my most recent post.
3) Yet again, not about pride. Fool.
4) I could explain my reasoning, yet again. But I won't seeming as you won't read it. Keep thinking you're taking the logical high-road all you want. It's all just opinion at the end of the day and what we are both saying is making no difference to the world around us.

1) It's not "Grammar Nazi" to point out that your logic is flawed.
2) I did, now instead of you pulling over to confront them, it was them pulling over, blocking all traffic on the road. What's next? They did a 180 degree e-break slide at 60mph and one of them hung out the window brandishing an RPG?
3) You say "justice", 9 out of 10 of responders to this thread say "pride"
4) No difference, huh? My words will be with you for days or even weeks ahead, whether you admit it or not. If I hadn't made an impression, you wouldn't have responded. You might just *think* next time an entirely avoidable situation arises.

EDIT: Sorry, I did not mean to insinuate that I have wormed my way into your head. What I mean is that being a human with a memory you won't forget. Just as I won't forget this cautionary tale about road rage you've told.