The private and public sector suppression of sexual freedom and freedom of expression is more sinister than you think.

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Fuck it I am making another porn-related post.

So I don't know what happens to the heads of government officials, investment bankers, and credit card company executives. I assume they would be economically conservative, and socially centrist.

But it just so happens a few things have occurred these few days.

1. Skyrim The game with the most mods related to sex has been updated and the business logic does not follow.

I will be straight with you. Every time Skyrim or any moddable game updates it segments the game community and mods. Some in the community will leave, some will downgrade with a patcher, and some will update and beg mod creators to update. And you know what happens with mods, some will update, some won't and will be segmented to that version of the game forever, and some angry modders annoyed by requests will get pissy and leave. We now have four versions of Skyrim, Skyrim, Skyrim SE, Skyrim AE, and Skyrim AE 1.6.11. Now the first one is unmoddable due to bugs, but the second one isn't and has the largest library, the third one has free DLC, but you can't use mods from any other version, and the third one has both fixes and DLC. And they are planning to update again! My theory is that Bethesda was pressured by Microsoft who was pressured by an ESG who was pressured by the government (More on that later).

So why are they doing the above, when Bethesda has to do a creation kit 2 for Starfield, and has Elders Scroll 6, and a bunch of other projects like Doom? It just doesn't make business sense to hamper Skyrim's modding community over and over. A smarter free market CEO would charge more for Skyrim SE, or even race to make a better creation kit 2 for more expensive Starfield copies to be sold via Steam, or even make more progress on Starfield.

2. Amazon’s Twitch lets artistic naked streamers and shuts it down after it becomes a porn site. Now in my opinion this one makes the most sense. Twitch is not a porn site, and many people want to just upload video games on it. But the One-time sex performers get a boost to their income, it gets shut down immediately. Now I am not as attracted to real women (with some exceptions), and prefer computer-generated stuff. But…

3. AI companies drop the hammer on NSFW prompts. So Midjourney, and DALLE by OpenAI have put safety around their image generators forcing people to use stability AI, and various clones of it for NSFW content which is moneyed since your computer GPU/graphics card quality determines the speed of the image generation, in other words, it’s nowhere near as fast as ChatGPT, and takes 40 seconds if you have even an RTX 3080 TI(Me) to generate an image with a new prompt that is different from the previous prompt. Imagine the people in the 3060s, 3070s, and even 2070s, they are taking even longer.

4. Given this plus the 3 credit card company’s attacks on Pornhub, Patreon, Japanese image websites, and even Only fans. It makes you think about who is behind all of this. I have a theory. Parts of the republican party, and the democratic want you to do some combination of full-time work and have children and roll back women’s rights or even overthrow the government. Now those things don’t seem connected, but they are.

The democrats

They want you to have a full-time job and have more children (more on that later). Now I don’t have proof of this. But smoke-filled rooms oftentimes don’t put things in writing. Oftentimes in the corporate sector, they will do diversity hires, but why??? Because those people often have no power/connections outside of investors and shareholders given corporate America’s past of discrimination. Now I don’t have a problem with this, but they are selecting people who have no power to resist them, and while many don’t approve loans for say African Americans, or hire entry-level people from community colleges, instead from very selective colleges where most Americans (Including people of color, and BIPAC) don’t go to. Most go to HBCUs, private for-profits, nonprofits or community colleges, boot camps, or no college at all but they largely won’t hire those people many of whom are people of color or BIPAC.

A person whose sexual needs are met is a happy person, and is comfortable, but exists outside of the system. Having children is optional. And if you’re a spoiled idiot like me even full-time work is optional. (To be clear I am looking for a new full-time position, where I can be near people my age)

Now why do they want you to have more children??? Because the line goes up economics demands that we have more demand for goods and services. More people more demand. Even my theory that they could just replace us with brains in vats which they will implement doesn’t work because those people in that simulation don’t replicate the conditions and give them the data of the real world like real humans buying goods and services does. So I was wrong.

The same logic applies to jobs. The more you work the more you produce, and 9 to 5 became 8 to 4:30 or 8 to 5. Also, the reason many don’t like hybrid or remote work is due to the possibility of having two jobs or finding other jobs easier just so you know.

The Republicans too want all of the above, but the far right wants you to view less porn so that you get angry at women and do things like vote for Republicans to allow fewer abortions and have less female autonomy. They also want you to be anti-woke so that a few will join antigovernment militias.

Now why do I care? Well for one I only have a part-time remote position, so I have lots of free time. Think about it. A Worker who is working doesn’t think and is too tired to think, upskilling means you focus on skills training not on possibly looking up new or existing anti-establishment ideas. I am public enemy number one for them (homeless people too) because we exist outside of the system, and we can think in new ways. Marx was comfortable and had to be to write his writings. The establishment is suppressing an American revolt on things like income inequality, climate change, and foreign policy. (Israel v Palestine for example) Now I am not saying I am Marx (I am not as smart), I am just saying they are suppressing the next one. But freedom will find a way.

This is why you will never get universal healthcare you need to work for it, free college will give you access to more information and more thinking, and liberal arts means more left-wingers potentially. It means more Chomskys vs more Sam Altmans.

A comfortable man or woman or non-binary is potentially a thinker, and that's a no-no for America. The establishment won't be making the same mistake in the 1950s that led to the 1960s and 1970s.

Now I do grant I do want full-time work, and you should too but generally there should be work remotely and even hybrid.
 

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1. Oh no, updates! They hate modders, specifically porn!

2 & 3. Oh no, restrictions! Those bastards with a general purpose platform wanting to ensure they don't chase away advertising revenue! Waiting 40 seconds for porn? Unacceptable!

4. Actually yeah, a direct attack. Kind of fucked up, little justification and incredibly effective. The only legitimate complaint here.

1 out of 4 is actually a pretty good showing for one of your rants.
 
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If we have free access to porn then we have free access to see sex, and if we have free access to see sex then seeing it becomes less exciting. Then "sex sells" stops working and marketing companies have to figure out a new way to peddle their goods.

They want to go back to a time when people jerked off to the lingerie section of the Sears catalogue, because then after you jerked off you might buy something from Sears.
 

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1. Oh no, updates! They hate mothers, specifically porn!

2 & 3. Oh no, restrictions! Those bastards with a general purpose platform wanting to ensure they don't chase away advertising revenue! Waiting 40 seconds for porn? Unacceptable!

4. Actually yeah, a direct attack. Kind of fucked up, little justification and incredibly effective. The only legitimate complaint here.

1 out of 4 is actually a pretty good showing for one of your rants.
It’s all connected. Microsoft is funded by investors and ESGs creating investment like Black Rock, State Street and Vanguard have an incentive to keep the free market system going. Skyrim is literally the most popular game with regard to nsfw modding, as for waiting 40 seconds for porn I have a feeling they will put some pressure on either GitHub or ISPs for the AI porn. Also fuck deepfakes. As for Amazon ‘a Twitch they get most of their funding from ads and the ESGs. Plus I think some viewers are on their side too.

By the way I have no problem with women, people of color, BIPOC in positions of power. Nor do I have a problem with fighting climate change or equal opportunity, working, etc. I have a problem with how it’s carried out.

You must do X and Y not the guy who flys a private jet who could likely downsize to first class.

You must be homeless or sleeping in your car while Israel carpet bombs Gaza 10 times in portion to them attacking Israel. The same logic applies.

You must pay tax as a server who may make more money than the middle class.

And yes I know if the American empire and let’s be real their more isolationist rival China disappears overnight people everywhere would be free but would suffer in other ways like deaths from conquering war, civil wars, breakdown in trade and etc. and I know Trump is a threat to America and a worser form of Biden plus other horrific bad things. Which is why the left had to merge with liberals and the center at least until the Israel-Palestine war.
 

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If we have free access to porn then we have free access to see sex, and if we have free access to see sex then seeing it becomes less exciting. Then "sex sells" stops working and marketing companies have to figure out a new way to peddle their goods.

They want to go back to a time when people jerked off to the lingerie section of the Sears catalogue, because then after you jerked off you might buy something from Sears.
More like if you have more children the companies get more demand and more producers and more data to create products for the rich and benefiting the rich.
 

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1. Skyrim The game with the most mods related to sex has been updated and the business logic does not follow.
That is probably coincidental. Bethesda and mod support/reliance would allow for its own topic but if there was any nefarious plan to suspect here (and i would not say there is), then probably just another attempt to monetise mods.

In the last years it has been revealed repeatedly that the newest idea going around in upper comapny elechons (after "loot boxes are the future", "games as a service" and all the other nonsense) is that mods are competition and should be disincentiviced to be able to sell the same stuff as DLC.

2. Amazon’s Twitch lets artistic naked streamers and shuts it down after it becomes a porn site. Now in my opinion this one makes the most sense. Twitch is not a porn site, and many people want to just upload video games on it. But the One-time sex performers get a boost to their income, it gets shut down immediately. Now I am not as attracted to real women (with some exceptions), and prefer computer-generated stuff. But…
Probably because of ads and trademark concerns. Also they don't want to risk that their "gaming video site" becomes known as "porn site" and is not considered safe for children and adolescents.

3. AI companies drop the hammer on NSFW prompts. So Midjourney, and DALLE by OpenAI have put safety around their image generators forcing people to use stability AI, and various clones of it for NSFW content which is moneyed since your computer GPU/graphics card quality determines the speed of the image generation, in other words, it’s nowhere near as fast as ChatGPT, and takes 40 seconds if you have even an RTX 3080 TI(Me) to generate an image with a new prompt that is different from the previous prompt. Imagine the people in the 3060s, 3070s, and even 2070s, they are taking even longer.
Don't know the reason behind this. But might be related to all the AI pictures with fake sex scenes of public persons.
4. Given this plus the 3 credit card company’s attacks on Pornhub, Patreon, Japanese image websites, and even Only fans.
That is annoying. Also a very American issue.

It makes you think about who is behind all of this. I have a theory. Parts of the republican party, and the democratic want you to do some combination of full-time work and have children and roll back women’s rights or even overthrow the government. Now those things don’t seem connected, but they are.
Unlikely. Both parties have better things to do than to act behind the scenes to sabotage porn.

If they would fight porn than loudly then by using laws. That is the easiest and most surefire way. Not by secretly telling major componies that could as well just leave the countries to do something or else. That would be just one CEO away from a huge scandal.

Also, the reason. As if either the Republicans or the Democrats would seriously put effort into something that might be pay off in decades. Politics nowadays can't look forward longer than an election cycle.



The US has had strange hangups with porn for a long time. And there are voters very much against porn. And people who would complain and sue whenever they see porn in normal environments which makes it a smart business decision to not show it. But a conspiracy ? Unlikely.
 

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Don't know the reason behind this. But might be related to all the AI pictures with fake sex scenes of public persons.
It most likely is because of that, but no doubt these companies are self-regulating not out of any public safety concerns or somesuch, but because they dont want to get sued or for authorities to step in and impose regulation.
 

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That is probably coincidental. Bethesda and mod support/reliance would allow for its own topic but if there was any nefarious plan to suspect here (and i would not say there is), then probably just another attempt to monetise mods.

In the last years it has been revealed repeatedly that the newest idea going around in upper comapny elechons (after "loot boxes are the future", "games as a service" and all the other nonsense) is that mods are competition and should be disincentiviced to be able to sell the same stuff as DLC.

Probably because of ads and trademark concerns. Also they don't want to risk that their "gaming video site" becomes known as "porn site" and is not considered safe for children and adolescents.

Don't know the reason behind this. But might be related to all the AI pictures with fake sex scenes of public persons.
That is annoying. Also a very American issue.

Unlikely. Both parties have better things to do than to act behind the scenes to sabotage porn.

If they would fight porn than loudly then by using laws. That is the easiest and most surefire way. Not by secretly telling major componies that could as well just leave the countries to do something or else. That would be just one CEO away from a huge scandal.

Also, the reason. As if either the Republicans or the Democrats would seriously put effort into something that might be pay off in decades. Politics nowadays can't look forward longer than an election cycle.



The US has had strange hangups with porn for a long time. And there are voters very much against porn. And people who would complain and sue whenever they see porn in normal environments which makes it a smart business decision to not show it. But a conspiracy ? Unlikely.
So it just so happens that every form of competition to only having sex and creating children is outlawed in many states even the country(prostitution, abortion after sex, etc.), or about to be clamped down on(Digital porn, AI porn, video game porn, etc.)

And nothing is suspicious about that?
 

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It most likely is because of that, but no doubt these companies are self-regulating not out of any public safety concerns or somesuch, but because they dont want to get sued or for authorities to step in and impose regulation.
Let them, and we will see how fast they are struck down as infringements on the First Amendment. And if they do win in court, we will see how hollow the first amendment is.
 
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Bethesda gets $0 from sex mods (directly), but they do get sales from re-releasing Skyrim for every new generation of consoles. Bethesda also design their games with the Xbox in mind since Oblivion, and most mod users are ironically on consoles, so they don't care about updating the game and breaking external scripts that aren't available on consoles.

They also give you the Creation Kit for every game, and they don't go around DMCA'ing mods for wrongthink. There's not much else you could want other for them give you the source code. If you mean, they should make sex animations play just with vanilla scripts, well that's not really a feature of those games.

As for the AI and Democrats, well they do run the AI companies so I suppose it's relevant. Here's the thing, they're totally okay with it, while trying to use the free-market to get rid of it. They're socially aware enough not to come off as an authoritarian pearl-clutching lunatic, so it usually loops back to the character of the individual creating or consuming the content.

Anyways I don't think there's some conspiracy to eliminate freethinkers by limiting the type of pornography you consume. Rather, the things you are describing gets lumped into their categories of subhuman. They hate you, plain and simple.
 

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Bethesda gets $0 from sex mods (directly), but they do get sales from re-releasing Skyrim for every new generation of consoles. Bethesda also design their games with the Xbox in mind since Oblivion, and most mod users are ironically on consoles, so they don't care about updating the game and breaking external scripts that aren't available on consoles.

They also give you the Creation Kit for every game, and they don't go around DMCA'ing mods for wrongthink. There's not much else you could want other for them give you the source code. If you mean, they should make sex animations play just with vanilla scripts, well that's not really a feature of those games.

As for the AI and Democrats, well they do run the AI companies so I suppose it's relevant. Here's the thing, they're totally okay with it, while trying to use the free-market to get rid of it. They're socially aware enough not to come off as an authoritarian pearl-clutching lunatic, so it usually loops back to the character of the individual creating or consuming the content.

Anyways I don't think there's some conspiracy to eliminate freethinkers by limiting the type of pornography you consume. Rather, the things you are describing gets lumped into their categories of subhuman. They hate you, plain and simple.
This isn't just about porn, it's just an example that I know best. It's about abortion, it's about prostitution. As for subhumans, you a correct that they view certain people as degenerates.
 

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This ain't a "culture war" thing, it's a "late capitalism" thing pretending to be a "culture war" thing. Traditional media, payment processors, and investment firms controlling both, are using culture warriors as a distraction to maintain their monopoly over sexualized and sexual content.

Anti-porn and sex-negative morons of all flavors -- radfem, religious puritan, sexually-repressed creeps, patriarchists, left, center, or right -- have been around in some form for as long as there's been sex work and porn. Same for all the bad stuff typically associated with it -- trafficking, exploitation, abuse of all kinds. But relative to contemporary times, it's been a back-and-forth between second wave and post-second wave radical feminists, and the religious right as to whose anti-SW narrative has been dominant.

Preventing trafficking and abuse of minors and adults like? yeah, no shits were given about that by elites until about ten years ago. Preventing access to sexual content by minors? yeah, no shits were given about that by elites until about ten years ago either. Sure, token efforts may have been taken to appease anti-sex and anti-porn culture warriors, but none of it had teeth and certainly had zero impact on sex work and the availability of adult content itself. It was absolutely in the "let's pretend we did something to keep the rubes voting for us" category of bullshit legislation.

Only in the past five to ten years has there been concerted effort on part of major corporations to restrict porn, sex work, and sexual content as viciously as it is now. Being the culture warriors really aren't more or less prominent, or influential, now as they have been at any time previous, you have to conclude they just don't have the political horsepower to push legislation or corporate activity to the extent that's currently ongoing. So, who does, and why now?

Well, what happened between five to ten years ago was social media, crowdfunding and crowdsourcing, independent content production and distribution, independent advertising and promotion, and payment services that bypass traditional payment processors. Twitter, Paypal, Venmo, Google and Apple Pay, Cashapp, OnlyFans, privately-hosted personal websites, and the like. In other words, means for sex workers to produce and distribute content, and interact with buyers, entirely outside the traditional studio-agency-distribution framework, from which traditional media and payment processors heavily profited.

Case in point, a couple years back when payment processors threatened to block OnlyFans. At the time, OF accepted third-party processors, prepaid cards, and gift cards. OF makes token changes to its ToS and content rules (as they already had strong content restrictions, and mandated all participants provide proof of identity, age, and consent), but payment processors didn't back down; they did when and only when OF stopped accepting third-party processors, prepaid cards, and gift cards. In other words, payment processors weren't after OnlyFans because of the content, they went after OnlyFans because they weren't getting their cut.
 

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Preventing trafficking and abuse of minors and adults like? yeah, no shits were given about that by elites until about ten years ago. Preventing access to sexual content by minors? yeah, no shits were given about that by elites until about ten years ago either.
Citation needed.
 

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Citation needed.
I don't think that premise is necessary to Eacaraxe's argument; it is also more a matter of judgment than a strict matter of fact. But I will say that as a minor some decades ago it was not difficult to access pornography. I don't think much has changed in that regard. The main point of conflict does seem to be about who is entitled to the income and how much.

In other words, payment processors weren't after OnlyFans because of the content, they went after OnlyFans because they weren't getting their cut.
The profit motive does indeed make for a likely explanation of those events.
 

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Sex isn't real. No-one actually HAS sex, it's all just internet-generated content to make you think sex is something you should be having. They're all paid performers and agents and bots and shills for Big Porn.
 
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Did I just see AI porn described as "competition" for sex. Well that's enough internet for me today! See you guys tomorrow. Have a... day?... I guess.
 

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Culture has become less sex positive in the last 10 years. Along with becoming more conservative in general, I guess. Looking at American medi as an outsider, there was a very noticeable period from the 90's to the early 10's that its general iconography seemed to be getting over its traditional discomfort with sex and developing a more laid back attitude towards depicting sex or just people being sexy.

And looking at some movies and games, it definitely overcompensated in some regards, looking at the costuming and framing of various female characters in various popular movies and games. But in retrospect it seems like an anomaly, where it's right back to that sort of thing being considered distateful to the point you barely ever see a bit of cleavage anymore.

Of course it's not purely an American development. Here in Germany it's become a fairly meanstream stance to campaign for outlawing prostitution, after it's been legal for as long as I can remember. It's a somewhat worrying development, though I guess part of one that goes beyond societies attitude towards sex.
 

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Citation needed.
You...just don't remember the number of porn actresses who started between 15-18 with fake ID's, or who were coerced into porn acting by partners or pimps, who owned up to it later with little to zero legal action being taken on anyone? Of whom Traci lords was the most famous, and one of the few for whom legal action was taken (because authorities had been tipped off after her 18th birthday), but far from the only one.

And of course, going hand in hand with thst were the days when video rentals' porn sections weren't separate from the rest of the store, and when porn mags were sold right alongside every other periodical without so much as slip covers. Hell most stores took measures against that not for minors' sake, but for grown-ass adults who didn't want to be seen buying/renting porn, or to prevent shoplifting.
 

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You...just don't remember the number of porn actresses who started between 15-18 with fake ID's, or who were coerced into porn acting by partners or pimps, who owned up to it later with little to zero legal action being taken on anyone? Of whom Traci lords was the most famous, and one of the few for whom legal action was taken (because authorities had been tipped off after her 18th birthday), but far from the only one.

And of course, going hand in hand with thst were the days when video rentals' porn sections weren't separate from the rest of the store, and when porn mags were sold right alongside every other periodical without so much as slip covers. Hell most stores took measures against that not for minors' sake, but for grown-ass adults who didn't want to be seen buying/renting porn, or to prevent shoplifting.
But Onlyfans is safer in that regard. You don't need an abusive pimp. If prostitution were legal you could protect sex workers with legal, and financial protections.