The real problem with sexism

[00slash00]

given the contents of your post and the fact that this is, as you said, your first post, i cant help feeling like this is trolling. if this is your honest opinion then that is even worse. it is not even worth debating the argument that "we shouldnt have gender equality because women secretly dont want equality."

 

[manic_depressive13]

There are plenty of women who pretend to want equality, but in reality are sexist assholes.

There are plenty of men who claim they want equality, but in actuality are sexist assholes.

Did I blow your mind?

Personally I don't know any men who genuinely WANT equality. They simply tend to agree with the women to make them stop harping on and on about it.

Well I pity you. I know plenty of men who genuinely want equality. Maybe if you stopped hanging around MRA forums you would meet some too.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

There are plenty of women who pretend to want equality, but in reality are sexist assholes.

There are plenty of men who claim they want equality, but in actuality are sexist assholes.

Did I blow your mind?

Personally I don't know any men who genuinely WANT equality. They simply tend to agree with the women to make them stop harping on and on about it.

Well I pity you. I know plenty of men who genuinely want equality. Maybe if you stopped hanging around MRA forums you would meet some too.

Never asked for your pity, but thanks I guess...?

It's well known that "sexism" rhymes with "bad stuff that happens to females 99% of the time".

 

[manic_depressive13]

Never asked for your pity, but thanks I guess...?

It's well known that "sexism" rhymes with "bad stuff that happens to females 99% of the time".

You're welcome. I know you didn't ask for my pity but all the same, you really earned it.

 

[aba1]

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I don't really have much to say regarding your post apart from the idea of not judging people regardless of lessons, speeches or etc.
I don't doubt this. Hell, I feel very similar.
However, this world has a lot of cunts in it. Cunts who are racist and sexist and will teach their kids to be racist and sexist cunts, and so the everlasting circle of **** continues.

Haha ^^ fair enough always good words to live by. I am not very religious but "judge not lest ye be judged" just makes sense I mean if it isn't hurting anybody who cares.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

given the contents of your post and the fact that this is, as you said, your first post, i cant help feeling like this is trolling. if this is your honest opinion then that is even worse. it is not even worth debating the argument that "we shouldnt have gender equality because women secretly dont want equality."

It's not that they don't want equality.

It's just that they keep changing their stance on what "equality" implies depending on the situation. Most of them do this without even realizing it.

 

[Derpblob]

Anything with -ist won't end in till we start thinking of everyone as intellectual equals no matter what they look, have, or history.. You're just skimming the actually deep problem both psychologically and historically. It happens unconsciously so much it's not even funny. You should notice how most people friend one another of similar everything pretty much. This also tends to happen politically, historically, etc.

Like said, this is beating a skeletal horse, it's obvious but also has a really dark side to it. When or will we ever change this? Will we ever see all areas including race, species, gender, and/or anything of historical importance either? And finally what group believes that these -ist words need to be fixed and who that don't? Answer these correctly and you might get a new perspective in this "debate".

Any controversial subject that is widely discussed has an obvious answer already. The people that continue to circulate it are either shallow, immature, or under a rock about most history around racism, sexism, etc. This needs no discussion to the point people are now belittling the entire subject because this only comes up for a specific group/person's favor.

Yeah, spread the word to stop this discussion and bring the bigger questions about this instead. Discussion is pointless. And has long since died around this subject matter.

Sorry if I sound seem angry, but this is just really easy and pointless to answer.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

There are plenty of women who pretend to want equality, but in reality are sexist assholes.

There are plenty of men who claim they want equality, but in actuality are sexist assholes.

Did I blow your mind?

Personally I don't know any men who genuinely WANT equality. They simply tend to agree with the women to make them stop harping on and on about it.

Well I pity you. I know plenty of men who genuinely want equality. Maybe if you stopped hanging around MRA forums you would meet some too.

Oh, is this that thing that both sides say about each other? How each of them are working toward equality but accusing the other side of not actually wanting equality? Let me give it a shot...

Feminists claim to be working toward equality, but are a bunch of misandrist trolls.
MRA's claim to be working toward equality, but are a bunch of misogynist trolls.

I think you may have cracked the source code my good man.

 

[Lieju]

And I'm a woman and there have been many times when a guy has had trouble with some physical work, and declined my help. Or worse, pushed in and taken over because I'm a frail woman.
I might not be as strong as most guys, but I can do that stuff, or at least help.

But there are guys who will treat me equally, too.

I understand your frustration with that, but sometimes guys will refuse help because "society" has drilled into us that "manly men" don't need help etc.

I always take help where I can with something I have trouble with, but some guys have trouble asking for an accepting help. To some people, gender based roles still exist, which in my opinion is stupid. Just like with some stupid people, certain jobs etc are expected of women even though men could do it as well.

I'm not the best at wording this stuff, but I think you get the idea

And those are the exactly same reasons that some women will expect men to do stuff for them. Which was my point. The guy I was quoting was complaining how women expect him to carry stuff for them, and I pointed out it's not just women who enforce this pattern.

 

[Vault101]

Personally I don't know any men who genuinely WANT equality. They simply tend to agree with the women to make them stop harping on and on about it.

really? most men don;t want women to be eaqual?

well thats new....

 

[manic_depressive13]

Oh, is this that thing that both sides say about each other? How each of them are working toward equality but accusing the other side of not actually wanting equality? Let me give it a shot...

Feminists claim to be working toward equality, but are a bunch of misandrist trolls.
MRA's claim to be working toward equality, but are a bunch of misogynist trolls.

I think you may have cracked the source code my good man.

Ha! Sure, Men's Rights is a perfectly legitimate movement. Sorry, you don't get any pity, but if it's any consolation I'm embarrassed on your behalf.

 

[notanaccount]

Also I didn't want to read all that because it looks very boring and has a noteable absence of robots and explosions and exploding robots.

Amen to this.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

And those are the exactly same reasons that some women will expect men to do stuff for them. Which was my point. The guy I was quoting was complaining how women expect him to carry stuff for them, and I pointed out it's not just women who enforce this pattern.

I agree with that, it's a mindset that needs to change on both sides to something more sensible, that would apply to the individual rather then be gender determined.

 

[dtgenshiken7]

Probably wasn't expecting quite the reaction he got, I'd say most likely a 14 yo with nothing to do, and hoping a post with a lot of replies automatically gets respect, he sees a hot-button issue (actually, he used one that has been done to death and revived so many times the original topic and/or solution has been lost in piles of random crap), but was't quite expecting the incredible amount of cynicism he got from (tempted to say us but I'll say you guys for the point of this).

Really, I'd say it'll be either a long time, or he ain't never coming back here. In short, Yes. Yes he was new here. And apparently the rest of the internet.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Is it sexism if I get something down from a shelf for a small woman? Cause I'm a girl too, just that I'm tall. Recently a small guy asked me to get him something in my local supermarket, cause it was out of his reach (happens if you're just little above 3feet).
But well, when carrying something home from there, some (male) help would be neat. Men just tend to be stronger, which has to do with the ammount of testosterone and a higher muscle density and more muscle mass.
Both things have biological reasons, but mentally men and women are simply equal.

If I wasnt bored currently, this would be to lame to repeat...

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Oooooh, a gender topic. Now my better judgement says stay the f*** away before you get humiliated...but I'm stronger now. I can do this!

Ok...

I'm not sure that that's a thing that happens. I've virtually never been asked to do something "because I'm male", it's often because I'm taller or stronger. Whether or not this is associated with the requester's gender is irrelevant, although naturally girls are more likely to need to ask someone else to lift a heavy object (COME ON, IT'S SCIENCE). The closest thing I can think of that may actually exist is females who take a hard stance on any sexism yet enjoy the benefits of chivalry knowing that it is gender-based preferential treatment (that said, there are no negatives and males have to initiate it for it to happen), and in gaming, the duality of needing more females in games but also for some reason not wanting to show them dying or debase them with the juvenile shit male characters go through (the number of games with special points, combos or shots that involve the penis is frankly shameful). As for the former, don't care (maybe it's a little hypocritical but there's no pressure either way), and as for the latter, equal treatment is the only cure, whatever that may involve.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

So that was a scary read. I'm going to go listen to some soothing music now.

 

[Colour Scientist]

You must have a pretty sheltered life if your biggest problem with sexism is people being inconsistent about when they want help getting things down from high shelves.

 

[disgruntledgamer]

For starters you shouldn't be going around hitting everyone who mouths off to you anyway, regardless if he's male or female. If I were to go around and punch everyone who was being a prick I'd never stop.

If someone is attacking someone else that's a different story, but there is a thing called reasonable force. You're going to have to use more force to stop a 200 pound man than say a 110 pound woman, this is just common sense.

As for the equality thing, I think all women should have equal rights to men, however when the ship goes down her a$$ better be next to mine.

 

[Undeadpool]

Well done completely misrepresenting what feminism is (ironically about as bad as most feminazis do). To make a long, complex issue short:

Misrepresenting feminism: WOMEN THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING MEN DO, EVEN OUTSIDE THEIR BIOLOGICAL LIMITATIONS!! (in this case: muscle mass)

Actual feminism: Women make excellent soldiers (and superior snipers) due to their increased tolerance for muscle pain and discomfort (among other reasons), they should be allowed to join the armed forces.

Her statement was that women were just as capable in combat as men. Given that at that point neither of us had any combat training or experience we should be equally able to defend ourselves (from her statement), yet she hides behind me because I am a man. We weren't that different size wise, so you can't go with the usual statement that men are larger and therefor better suited to combat.

I understand why she did it, I am not a dunce, but by her doing it she shows the hypocrisy inherent in such statements. I think we need to embrace our differences and get over this whole rigid equality thing. I think we should be treated as equals, I don't think we should ignore our own personal strengths and weaknesses. I think women would make better snipers as they are more limber and tend to be smaller, this means they can get themselves into tighter places and stay there for longer periods. Meanwhile in a fist fight men are better suited due to size and strength differences. This doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule, but that is kind of the point isn't it? Some people are better suited to other jobs, stop making generalizations on both sides of the fence.

Oh god guys, you're killing me here. Seriously, do you do stand up? Please let me know when the first intergender boxing matches or MMA fights will occur; would pay money to see that.

...I can't tell if that's a strawman or if you just entirely missed the point.

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I think this sums up my reply really well. I have had women ask me for help more times than I can count for things they could really do themselves but are just to lazy to do. I have also noticed that women always get preference on relaxing jobs. I used to work in as a IT assistant and the second any physical labor came up and a woman didn't want to do it I would have to drop my job to go do hers and 90% of the time it wasn't cause it was to heavy they just didn't want to and would claim it is to difficult without even attempting.

But ya this topic has been done to death as others have said this is the sorta things where threads about sexism towards guys tend to spawn from.

Well done completely misrepresenting what feminism is (ironically about as bad as most feminazis do). To make a long, complex issue short:

Misrepresenting feminism: WOMEN THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING MEN DO, EVEN OUTSIDE THEIR BIOLOGICAL LIMITATIONS!! (in this case: muscle mass)

Actual feminism: Women make excellent soldiers (and superior snipers) due to their increased tolerance for muscle pain and discomfort (among other reasons), they should be allowed to join the armed forces.

Sorry but I think women deserve a little credit they are not so weak they cannot lift a few boxes that weigh less than 5 pounds over a couple feet. Everything I said was from personal experience in things that have happened to me. I mean I am not ridiculous and if a slight person needed help with a few 20 pound boxes I would not judge them or not help them. If something is decently heavy I get it, it might be a bit much that's cool I don't mind helping out but at the same time if you can do something yourself you really should.

That being the case: you had some absolute crap management as I too was speaking from personal experience from having never known a woman who hid behind her gender beyond high school.

I think this sums up my reply really well. I have had women ask me for help more times than I can count for things they could really do themselves but are just to lazy to do. I have also noticed that women always get preference on relaxing jobs. I used to work in as a IT assistant and the second any physical labor came up and a woman didn't want to do it I would have to drop my job to go do hers and 90% of the time it wasn't cause it was to heavy they just didn't want to and would claim it is to difficult without even attempting.

But ya this topic has been done to death as others have said this is the sorta things where threads about sexism towards guys tend to spawn from.

Well done completely misrepresenting what feminism is (ironically about as bad as most feminazis do). To make a long, complex issue short:

Misrepresenting feminism: WOMEN THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING MEN DO, EVEN OUTSIDE THEIR BIOLOGICAL LIMITATIONS!! (in this case: muscle mass)

Actual feminism: Women make excellent soldiers (and superior snipers) due to their increased tolerance for muscle pain and discomfort (among other reasons), they should be allowed to join the armed forces.

We're not saying this is what feminism is supposed to represent. Literally neither of us even mentioned feminism or alluded to feminism. Only the OP did that. The closest we came to that is me saying "to the OPs point", which is a flimsy basis for such a rebuttal. I was establishing that there is a double standard in play here. It's also establishing that people in our workplaces are making biological assumption and allocating workloads simply based on generalizations about gender that aren't even applicable here, which is sexist. We even explicitly pointed out that it's not outside their biological limitations, and in my case likely less outside theirs than mine in the long run.

Also, what's with the mocking use of cap locks? For someone who was implying a lack of maturity in that other guy, your response certainly doesn't appear to be a bastion of maturity itself.

I'm not always and I use caps to engage in hyperbole and make an exaggerated point. And when someone wants to bring down the entire notion of "sexism", then yes, we are talking about feminism either directly or indirectly. Just because the word itself hasn't been brought up, doesn't mean that's not what's being talked about.