Just so you know, this thread is probably going to have a Jack Thompson Effect and boomerang on you, making people tune in more, not less.
The REAL reason why RWBY failed(You're not gonna believe it)
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Yesh and I thought Izanagi loathe the show that much and also, you claim to greatly annoyed by it and yet your Avatar image is Weiss, one of the character in the show?
As for the whole ab lipping, I say accident happened alots in the media althought I don't know if that is a good or bad thing. I mean e.g. in that Indiana film, Indy just shot the sword guy which was funny but originally in the script it was suppose to be an epic sword fight scene however on that day Harrison had a cold/ flu so they changed it.
As for the whole ab lipping, I say accident happened alots in the media althought I don't know if that is a good or bad thing. I mean e.g. in that Indiana film, Indy just shot the sword guy which was funny but originally in the script it was suppose to be an epic sword fight scene however on that day Harrison had a cold/ flu so they changed it.
I don't see the crime in finding an opportunity and using it. Even if it was behind the scenes. Why would an idea be diminished by the fact that its inception was from one line? Even if the line wa ad libbed.
I don't watch RWBY but warning signs always flare up when I hear "not your typical x/y/z" since it usually means that the end project will be trying so hard to differentiate itself from other such works that it will sacrifice other elements for it.
I can't really say anything on the criticisms either, since things have to be taken into perspective: what's the budget, what's the writer's expertise, what's the animator's expertise, who's the audience, what are the reference points, etc.
If this is RT's first foray into animation, then I guess it's alright as a little project. Selling DVD sets already sounds a bit iffy, but if the following is large enough, I suppose that's all well and good so long as it doesn't do what the KLK sets or the Gurren Lagann Ultimate collections do.
However, from my own experience, they should probably consider wrapping it up soon and moving onto another animation project, using what experience they gained from RWBY to do something better. Sticking with it can make things go all Naruto where the plot begins losing coherence and writers get messy.
I can't really say anything on the criticisms either, since things have to be taken into perspective: what's the budget, what's the writer's expertise, what's the animator's expertise, who's the audience, what are the reference points, etc.
If this is RT's first foray into animation, then I guess it's alright as a little project. Selling DVD sets already sounds a bit iffy, but if the following is large enough, I suppose that's all well and good so long as it doesn't do what the KLK sets or the Gurren Lagann Ultimate collections do.
However, from my own experience, they should probably consider wrapping it up soon and moving onto another animation project, using what experience they gained from RWBY to do something better. Sticking with it can make things go all Naruto where the plot begins losing coherence and writers get messy.
I'd recommend starting with the trailers. Many people would argue that they're the best thing to come out of the show.Shinkicker444 said:
I like RWBY, despite it's problems.ChaoshadowZero said:
OT: I agree that I'm not a fan of any romance subplots. I've been turned off from TV shows because the main character would fall in love with one of the females and it'd start turning half the episodes into a romance ploy.
But I still love RWBY. It's fun, stupid, and bright. The fight scenes are amazing and it is slowly improving (especially in animation) even if you refuse to see it yourself.
RWBY was a huge risk for Rooster Teeth. They started with some animators that were and are still learning and new writers who didn't have much experience, and I suppose that does show. So I can understand them changing some things to appease the fans because the fans are the ones keeping it going.
Look at RvB for comparison. The first few seasons of that had bad audio quality, barely anything happened. It was basically slapstick with Halo. Now it's got a full storyline, big fight scenes and the voice acting is steadily improving still.
I think RWBY could become something like that, the writers and animators just need a chance to keep learning, to make all these mistakes early on in the show so they can improve while they still have a loyal fanbase to help back them up.
I think that you drastically overestimated the abilities of RoosterTeeth. The only thing that they have ever really done in this capacity before is Red vs Blue, and even though it is the longest running online video series in existence, it isn't exactly good. They just don't have the time, funding, or experience to do anything like what you were talking about, and with the exception of a few people under their employ, most of the production staff and crew aren't even professionals.DirectorK said:
That being said though, RoosterTeeth got purchased by Fullscreen recently, so hopefully they will invest a lot into the production of these shows.
I can understand RvB's flaws but the problem is that, for me at least, it's humor still shined through regardless of the bad animation and sound. I can still remember a few of the gags from the first season.sky14kemea said:
Compare that to RWBY which doesn't hold onto me like RvB did and combined with the added hinderance of being anime based. It was a recipe for me to be combing over the show to see if they understood how anime worked, if they could make a world and characters and if the humor can land on it's feet.
The answers are only superficially, not really, and hell no.
I had already made my post on Monty's health and tried to get people to donate ( well, a thread but one was made before I responded)Drummodino said:
However, it is entirely possible to separate the work from the artist at times. Battleship Potemkin comes to mind: a movie that set the standard for cinematography but the artist was aligned with the Soviet Union and the movie was meant as propaganda.
I agree the jokes do need a lot of work too. Unless you're humour is based on puns then you probably won't enjoy some of the gags in the show.Izanagi009 said:
I think they made some separate videos on the backstory of the world and how the "Dust" thing works. So they are trying with their world-building. They're just not putting it in the main show, where it kind of needs it more.
yes, but that ab lip only affected at most 10 seconds of film. This ad-lib affected the entire show from the moment it was stated and the writers didn't really adapt the script it seemsScarim Coral said:
Baffle said:
And...I didn't really get in to RWBY, but was considering it.
This makes me a bit concerned about whether or not I should give it a go, but eh.
Nothing wrong with an ad-lib affecting the direction of a script, if it's an amazing one and makes the script better...but if it doesn't, as appears to be case here, then it's just a ridiculous decision.
Really? That's the reason? I thought it was because it was boring, poorly written, full of cliches, ugly and terribly paced. But yeah maybe the ad-libbing too.
EDIT: Oh and the voice acting too.
EDIT: Oh and the voice acting too.
Ehh, the puns are forgettable, they aren't so bad they're good or even decent, they're just there and aren't all that smart. Their most effective comedy as far as I'm concerned has been the situational and physical type, like Jaune talking to Ren as he keeps trying to get dressed or the Library boardgame at the start withe Phyrra swapping her book with Jaune's comic and Ren's "THANK YOU" to...I forget who saying that the library is for studying.sky14kemea said:
And sure, they did some Remnant world-building, but it answers nothing anybody cared about and just begs more questions that won't get answers. Seriously they spent 6 minutes of a 14 minute episode(not a World of Remnant blurb) explaining why everyone's names were colors. NOBODY cared about that, it was a quirk of the world and everyone accepted that that's how it worked.
But the biggest problem with alot of people's problems with the show is that it is chock full of wasted potential and a "OH LOOKIE HERE GUYS NEW COLORS, DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE LAST COLORS WE SHOWED YOU, THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW COLORS" mentality. Sun and Neptune's team, where are they? What exactly are the point of the Grimm? They're either creatures that hate humans or they're rational beasts, which are they? Because we've got clashing behaviors and the very flimsy excuse of "WE'VE BEEN AROUND THESE THINGS FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR EXCEPT THEY'RE VIOLENTLY ATTRACTED TO NEGATIVE EMOTIONS WHEN THE PLOT DEMANDS IT AND PATIENT WHEN IT DOESN'T".
Then there's stupid things like what the point of guards are in this universe if first-year Hunter students can deal with them easily? What is the point of the rocket lockers if nobody notices one destroying half the sidewalk or leaving the lockerroom? Why did they spend an episode telling Blake that she can't fight Roman yet because he's too strong and then three episodes later she basically kicks his ass in less than five seconds? What was the point of the train wreck/Grimm invasion if three teams of first year Hunters can deal with the "countless Grimm hiding underground" in less than a hour? This is just from the latter half of the second season and there's just so much crap and not a huge amount of good coming from it. The fight scenes are...ok, the music is decent, the lyrics need to just disappear because the voice doesn't know how to sing and is trying to mimic Punk girl groups of the 70's/80's waaaaaay too much, the weapons with the exception of make-up case into ten foot gatling gun are believable within the context of the world, and most of the voices that aren't the main cast are pretty good and ironically seem to be getting better faster than the main cast considering how little screentime they're given. And gossakes, stop with the vague foretelling when the adults are talking to each other, nobody knows anything you're talking about because we have no backstory on ANYBODY, still after two seasons I have trouble remembering what Oobleck's role is.
I'm still going to keep watching it though, but mostly there's just so much junk in the actual show and the world itself is so much more interesting and the designs are really good from time to time.
The recurring problem I see is that they are rather unaware of their amateur status, and work with the mindset of being professionals. The writing is ad-libbed, the animation is only watchable during the fights that the story seems written as a vehicle for, and the characters are mostly bland and boring.
All of this is rather unfortunate, in light of the effort put into the setting in the attempt to make it interesting.
Also, the ears on the Faunus' look like ass. Anyone have a proper explanation for them to have two ears? Biology doesn't make any sense, so... Rule of Cool?
All of this is rather unfortunate, in light of the effort put into the setting in the attempt to make it interesting.
Also, the ears on the Faunus' look like ass. Anyone have a proper explanation for them to have two ears? Biology doesn't make any sense, so... Rule of Cool?
Redryhno said:
Well I just got told. I can't refute that because I kind of agree with all the points you made. I actually forgot that they explained peoples names.
'Cept Oobleck. I'm preeeeeeeeetty sure he's vice-principle? Maybe?
I really didn't mean to do that...I just despise so many of the decisions made and went into a bit of a rant there because if they'd focused on any of the plots they've spent time on, it'd be a better, more coherent story.sky14kemea said:Redryhno said:
Well I just got told. I can't refute that because I kind of agree with all the points you made. I actually forgot that they explained peoples names.
'Cept Oobleck. I'm preeeeeeeeetty sure he's vice-principle? Maybe?
But at the moment there's the White Fang doing stuff, Grimm apparently gearing up for something, Roman, the [s/]Tri-Wizard Cup[/s] Hunting Academy competition, Blake's past, Yang and Ruby's mother, Weiss' family apparently being different from her, something vague Oobleck keeps talking about but not really expanding on beyond saying "IT", the robots replacing Hunters foreshadowing, the love triangle(I really do like the Jaune/Phyrra thing, just not Weiss being as involved in it without being involved as she is), probably a few dozen things I'm forgetting.
But Oobleck, he might be President of the Hunting Academy organization? I'm not exactly sure. That might be Glenda(Wanda? Lady with a [s/]magic[/s] Dust-infused stick).
Glinda Goodwitch.Redryhno said:
You're bad with character names, aren't you? I suck at remembering backstory and details myself.. But yeah one of them is president and one of them is the principle.
How much of Blake's past do they still need to do anyway? Wasn't it pretty much; She was White Fang, now she's not.