The Shack - For the Love of All that is Holy...

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

So if we want to watch a movie where a dude talks to god, stick with Bruce Almighty

 

[09philj]

I read the book. "If your kid gets raped and killed, it's okay, because it's part of My plan. It'll turn out okay, at some unspecified point in the future. Never mind that atrocities have been occurring for thousands of years."

Fuck your plan, fuck your book, and fuck you.

Please please please don't let a bad movie speak for God Himself, that's not very fair. Also, the book's take is pretty questionable too.

Any being worthy of the title of a "god" should be able to speak for themselves. Tell your god if he wants to speak to me, it should be within his power. I mean, shit, I can't stop CouponCentre from sending me email, how could I avoid a conversation with a cosmic power?

At least The Shackening attempts a tap-dance around evil and suffering. The Bible God revels in it. What explanation did God offer Job after putting him through the wringer? "Because I can."

[http://imgur.com/AXFyrNJ]

No, you are right, I mispoke.

I have never in all my years ever seen someone get argued into the kingdom of Heaven.

I spoke out of turn because these crappy movies that misrepresent my faith annoy me more than I can even express.

As for the cute little infographic, people have been trying to destroy Christianity for literally thousands of years, either it has a hint of truth to it, or the human race is truly too far gone to save.

You're underestimating how irrational humans will be to make themselves feel happy.

 

[SupahEwok]

I read the book. "If your kid gets raped and killed, it's okay, because it's part of My plan. It'll turn out okay, at some unspecified point in the future. Never mind that atrocities have been occurring for thousands of years."

Fuck your plan, fuck your book, and fuck you.

Please please please don't let a bad movie speak for God Himself, that's not very fair. Also, the book's take is pretty questionable too.

Any being worthy of the title of a "god" should be able to speak for themselves. Tell your god if he wants to speak to me, it should be within his power. I mean, shit, I can't stop CouponCentre from sending me email, how could I avoid a conversation with a cosmic power?

At least The Shackening attempts a tap-dance around evil and suffering. The Bible God revels in it. What explanation did God offer Job after putting him through the wringer? "Because I can."

[http://imgur.com/AXFyrNJ]

Meh. Duality. There is no good if there is no evil. Good has no meaning if you don't have a choice to do it. If you set up an AI simulation, what is more satisfying, an AI that is given a goal and is left to itself to get to it, or an AI that is given a goal, and you explicitly program it to go through every step needed? Far more satisfying to create something that can think for itself than an automaton.

That's kind of what the whole deal of having children is.

Not much of a paradox.

As for God talking to you, do you bother talking to all the microbes on your own skin? Omnipotent does not mean interested in you.

As for the Bible, yeah. Their God's either a dick or it's a collection of metaphors meant to impart lessons, just like what every other culture has. Just cuz the Bible pisses you off, though, doesn't inherently undermine the idea of a God, just that God. There is a difference.

 

[lacktheknack]

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Cute little infographic. Too bad it's missing some pretty obvious boxes.

"Why couldn't [God create a world without evil]?" --> "He did."

"God could and would destroy Satan." --> "And he will, as John prophesied on Patmos. It's right there. Did you miss it?"

But eh. You want nothing to do with God, so you'll get what you want.

 

[mtarzaim02]

Meh. Duality. There is no good if there is no evil.

Sending people to hell because not enough prayers or wrong religion, good or evil?
Letting die atrociously billions of innocent living beings for a plan to succeed billions of years later, good or evil?

Good has no meaning if you don't have a choice to do it.

Killing hitler to prevent shoah, good or evil?
Letting hitler live so the shoah happens, and allows the creation of israel later, good or evil?

Preventing the christ to sacrifice himself, good or evil?
Forcing the christ to sacrifice himself for humankind, good or evil?

Killing lucifer before he lures eve in sin, good or evil?
Helping Satan to lure eve in sin, good or evil?

Notice half of those actions were taken by god, for his grand design to succeed.
So, god, good or evil?

Far more satisfying to create something that can think for itself than an automaton.

But do you send the same automaton to hell for the actions it took in your own-designed environment because of your shitty programing skills?

That's kind of what the whole deal of having children is.

Nope. It's gene copy. if not, why modeling their freewill with education, laws and punishments?

As for God talking to you, do you bother talking to all the microbes on your own skin? Omnipotent does not mean interested in you.

Do you need morality towards microbes?
Therefore, god has no morality, for he has no peer to interact with, certainly not humans.

Doesn't inherently undermine the idea of a God, just that God. There is a difference.

What's the point of a god who doesn't care, act or think about you? The same as being non-existent.
As you said, quite a big difference.

"Why couldn't [God create a world without evil]?" --> "He did."

Remind me: who created Lucifer?
You know, the angel amongst angels, perfection amongst perfection, sinless than the sinlesses?
And remind me too: did Lucifer ever eat the forbidden fruit?
And what's about the third of angels who followed him? Were they force-feeded oranges by Lucifer?

"God could and would destroy Satan." --> "And he will, as John prophesied on Patmos. It's right there. Did you miss it?"

God cannot.
I defy you or any religious scholar, past, present and to come, to find a single reference in any monotheistic scripture, where god actually destroys a soul. Torturing them, ok. Casting them away, yes. But destroying spirit? Never. For soul comes from god, and therefore cannot be destroyed, even by god.
If god could, no human would go to hell, giving satan less minions for the final battle, and making the argument of the torturing god impossible.

 

[lacktheknack]

"God could and would destroy Satan." --> "And he will, as John prophesied on Patmos. It's right there. Did you miss it?"

God cannot.
I defy you or any religious scholar, past, present and to come, to find a single reference in any monotheistic scripture, where god actually destroys a soul. Torturing them, ok. Casting them away, yes. But destroying spirit? Never. For soul comes from god, and therefore cannot be destroyed, even by god.
If god could, no human would go to hell, giving satan less minions for the final battle, and making the argument of the torturing god impossible.

Google "annihilationism". There's lots of scholars that subscribe to that. It depends on how you interpret the "lake of fire" in John's Revelation.

Also, the entire OT was written under the impression that souls in Sheol would eventually cease to exist. The concept of the "indestructible soul" is comparatively recent.

I doubt you genuinely care about this background, though, but simply want to poke holes in things because this is the Escapist, the land of contrarians and malcontent. At any rate, this isn't R&P, but feel free to message me if you want a discussion.

 

[Thurston]

I read the book. "If your kid gets raped and killed, it's okay, because it's part of My plan. It'll turn out okay, at some unspecified point in the future. Never mind that atrocities have been occurring for thousands of years."

SNIP

Meh. Duality. There is no good if there is no evil. Good has no meaning if you don't have a choice to do it. If you set up an AI simulation, what is more satisfying, an AI that is given a goal and is left to itself to get to it, or an AI that is given a goal, and you explicitly program it to go through every step needed? Far more satisfying to create something that can think for itself than an automaton.

That's kind of what the whole deal of having children is.

Not much of a paradox.

As for God talking to you, do you bother talking to all the microbes on your own skin? Omnipotent does not mean interested in you.

As for the Bible, yeah. Their God's either a dick or it's a collection of metaphors meant to impart lessons, just like what every other culture has. Just cuz the Bible pisses you off, though, doesn't inherently undermine the idea of a God, just that God. There is a difference.

Is there a god or gods? No evidence has been presented to my satisfaction. Got some?

 

[Thurston]

snip

Cute little infographic. Too bad it's missing some pretty obvious boxes.

"Why couldn't [God create a world without evil]?" --> "He did."

"God could and would destroy Satan." --> "And he will, as John prophesied on Patmos. It's right there. Did you miss it?"

But eh. You want nothing to do with God, so you'll get what you want.

Why would a good god wait to destroy Satan? On the same schedule as Tyre? Is this the same "plan" where everything is going to be okay, despite thousands of years of atrocity?

And, I'd like to converse with the creator of the universe, but the Bible is patently obvious as a human creation, with human limitations, human insanity, human inanity, human ignorance, human arrogance, and human fallibility.

 

[lacktheknack]

snip

Cute little infographic. Too bad it's missing some pretty obvious boxes.

"Why couldn't [God create a world without evil]?" --> "He did."

"God could and would destroy Satan." --> "And he will, as John prophesied on Patmos. It's right there. Did you miss it?"

But eh. You want nothing to do with God, so you'll get what you want.

Why would a good god wait to destroy Satan? On the same schedule as Tyre? Is this the same "plan" where everything is going to be okay, despite thousands of years of atrocity?

And, I'd like to converse with the creator of the universe, but the Bible is patently obvious as a human creation, with human limitations, human insanity, human inanity, human ignorance, human arrogance, and human fallibility.

PM me if you want to continue this.