Meh, I'll still play their stand alone games (Dreadfleet is still a hit with our group), maybe some Warhammer Fantasy with the OLD skirmish rules, but getting into official stuff. Fergit it.
*Fistbumps fellow RG lover*American Tanker said:I'll keep saying it even after you get tired of it: My favorite Primarch is Corvus Corax of the Raven Guard. He just seems more in line with my idea of combat: Know everything you can about your enemy, strike without warning, exploit his weaknesses to the fullest and end the fight as quick as possible, preferably before he has a chance to really make it a fight. But of course, where I differ from the mainline Raven Guard is in my preference for eliminating the enemy at a safe distance, hence why I prefer the RG's Second Founding Successors, the Raptors.
It gets better - GW used to sell metal miniatures for those units not cost effective to mass produce in plastics. They eventually swapped metal for Resin, a much cheaper material, and basically used the exact same sculpts/molds for casting them.jademunky said:See now, I have never actually played the tabletop and just admired it from afar due to the insane price tag but has anyone ever explained the justification for plastic miniatures to cost so much? I mean, seriously, children's toys are just as detailed and a fraction of the cost. Granted, I don't expect GW to be able to leverage the economy of scale that Mattel does but still.
It kinda sounds like a family member of mine who sells overpriced plastic figurines to retirees. They use a lot of trademarked terms to make their crap sound impressive too.Windknight said:When another gaming company did they same thing, they passed part of the savings on to the customer, cutting the prices.
GW called the 'new' resin miniatures 'finecast', and bumped the price up.
Such a strange company. They jack the prices when average prices for similar products go down. Seem to take their lore way too seriously for how downright silly it is and, treat their in-store matches with Olympic levels of nitpickiness and yet will hand out their video-game license to ANYONE.bastardofmelbourne said:What GW never really realised was that if they dropped their prices, they would sell more models. Instead, as sales wane and the player base stagnates, they keep jacking up the prices incrementally to make up for the lost sales, which drive more people out of the hobby, which reduces sales, so they jack up prices some more...it's a vicious cycle that has been going on for a long, long time.
Yeah, I've also been getting into X-wing (they're so cheap and literally every place has some), and the game is pretty good too, but fuck if I can't seem to find a Y-wing anywhere. How is it that the second most iconic rebel fighter sized ship is nowhere to be found?Gethsemani said:I got into X-wing earlier this year (much smaller scale admittedly) and for the price of about 1,5 squad boxes from GW I had enough ships to outfit a decent Rebel and Empire list with some ship and upgrade choices. Add to that that X-Wing includes all the rulers, dice and markers you need to play in the core set (which is very price worthy) and GW seems to be actively gouging you when they require you to buy necessary accessories at a mark-up.
Zontar said:Hmm. Much as I love the Y-Wing, I thought I was in the minority for liking it.Gethsemani said:Yeah, I've also been getting into X-wing (they're so cheap and literally every place has some), and the game is pretty good too, but fuck if I can't seem to find a Y-wing anywhere. How is it that the second most iconic rebel fighter sized ship is nowhere to be found?
The more you know...
Hawki said:Oh I love the Y-Wing, by far my favourite design in all Star Wars for a fighter sized craft.Zontar said:Hmm. Much as I love the Y-Wing, I thought I was in the minority for liking it.Gethsemani said:Yeah, I've also been getting into X-wing (they're so cheap and literally every place has some), and the game is pretty good too, but fuck if I can't seem to find a Y-wing anywhere. How is it that the second most iconic rebel fighter sized ship is nowhere to be found?
The more you know...
Which is why it pisses me off that I can't find anywhere that has them in stock, the thing hasn't been resupplied in over a year and the company hasn't updated their list of "what's coming" in 7 months.
Well, it depends on the stores, of course. All I'm saying is I've seen people play these tabletop games in local game stores. Oh yes, and I just remembered GW have their own stores, and people play there as well. But really, most of the (few) matches I've watched were played at small tournaments organized by a local nerd crew. For example, when I was still at university there used to be an annual event called UniCon, where people got together to play tabletop games, pen & paper RPGs, CCGs etc for two days and nights.Souplex said:I visit a local gamestore on a weekly+ basis. There's always an employee painting minis, but I've never seen anyone play 40K there. It's all D&D, Magic, and miscellaneous boardgames.
I don't know about that, tabletop gaming is not my sphere of interest. What I CAN say is that I'm a huge lore nerd - got about 200 40k novels on my shelf. And the way Black Library has been fracturing their range of products over the last few years really annoys me. I mean, I really want more quality stories, but it has become difficult to keep up with the release schedule and weed out the increasing number of duds, and I'm a guy who follows this stuff almost religiously.RaikuFA said:And there in lies the issue. I live in NJ, there are no game shops here. Not even comic shops. When I lived in CA there was Warhammer stuff but I don't think anyone bought it.
Based on what I've read though this game is going the way of the dodo.
They've gotten really worse latetly. Old GW not only featured other companies models in their White Dwarf, there was masterclass instructions on how to convert X into Y all the time!Elijin said:Even when 16 year old me played Warhammer I'd rather have fired all my models out of a cannon than be doing anything considered official. The people, places and company are vile.
I'm not super sure where 'lately' sits. I played in like '99/'00.Silentpony said:They've gotten really worse latetly. Old GW not only featured other companies models in their White Dwarf, there was masterclass instructions on how to convert X into Y all the time!Elijin said:Even when 16 year old me played Warhammer I'd rather have fired all my models out of a cannon than be doing anything considered official. The people, places and company are vile.
Ever since the Recession they've just been a dick about everything, then charge you $49.99 for the privilege.
"You get up in my tournament, Imma make you my *****, you gonna trim my new model's motherfuckin excess sprue flash when I tell you too, dawg! Imma sell your boy pussy for more Guardsmen and Gretchen, ************!"ObsidianJones said:Every once in a while, I get the urge to play tabletop. I was brought into the universe via Dark Crusade well over a decade ago. I bought most of the video games, and I do love the lore (when it manages to keep consistent),
And then when I make my choice to do so, I almost literally come across a thread like this or a youtuber coming around like a "Scared Straight" Prisoner.
"YOU GOT ALL THE CHOICES NOW, YOUNG BUCK. I made my bed. I did my choice. I got into this life, and I can never get out. NEVER! You know what I did to get my score? You know what I had to give up to support my habit! AND NOW I'M HERE AND I CAN'T SEE A WAY OUT! You think this is fun?! You think this is a game?! ************, I'd KILL to have the chance you have not to make the choice to get here!"
My favourite specialist game was Battlefleet Gothic, whose death left a massive hole in the tabletop gaming scene until this day, literally no one has stuck the landing on a spaceship wargame but GW could have absolutely owned that niche. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Dropfleet Commander but it has so much other wank going on in terms of city combat to capture objectives.omegaglory1 said:2) Discontinuing their specialist games: GW had many good games under its belt that were challenging and fun, like Mordheim and Bloodbowl, but they were popular in a way W40K and WFB weren't. They could be played with less cost. Mordheim, for example, didn't need you to collect large armies and the rules were already quite well written at the time of release.
I've been considering getting into Bloodbowl, it's almost a self contained game that isn't too expensive to get into and there are many 3rd party models that are basically made for Bloodbowl in mind.EscapistAccount said:My favourite specialist game was Battlefleet Gothic, whose death left a massive hole in the tabletop gaming scene until this day, literally no one has stuck the landing on a spaceship wargame but GW could have absolutely owned that niche. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Dropfleet Commander but it has so much other wank going on in terms of city combat to capture objectives.omegaglory1 said:2) Discontinuing their specialist games: GW had many good games under its belt that were challenging and fun, like Mordheim and Bloodbowl, but they were popular in a way W40K and WFB weren't. They could be played with less cost. Mordheim, for example, didn't need you to collect large armies and the rules were already quite well written at the time of release.