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Yep, I'm being totally consistent here. Thing is that to be consistent you will have to sometimes stand against others in your group who are being opportunistic and selective, and then they call you far right for being principled, and that's not very helpful lol. It's best to defang any sort of unprovable accusation, to remove its power from harming you, and to install actual systems for determining things as being one way or another, and to dismiss all other suggestions as mere opinions.
I'm not calling you inconsistent. I'm calling the Republican Party inconsistent. That's why I posted things from the party.

The party has done nothing more but post unprovable accusation to unprovable accusation to unprovable accusation. What BLM really stands for, Vote stolen, Mob is really Antifa, etc.

But how DO you install actual systems for determining things? It was censorship to allow posts but say this is unproven. People look for Twitter for news. And people don't have any legal reason to be honest. But they have every reason to say thing for views and clicks. Monetary gains.

What system could possibly be put into place that keeps the Company from enforcing the rules it sets about, keeps truth on the platform all the while letting people say whatever they want?
 

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I'm seriously tired of this "REEEEEE" victim complex bullshit by republicunts. We've had the most concrete and thorough real-life demonstration of bullshit peddled on the internet leading directly to tangible, real-life harm with this coup (barring the rohingya genocide, which people already forgot) and you rats still drool over free speech absolutism. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Play with fire and you get burned. For such proponents of personal responsibility and facing consequences for your actions y'all acting like a bunch of toddlers with this shit. Propagandists like Semen Chowder and Ben Shit-piro have relied on the knowledge that you can say 1000 lies in the time it takes to debunk one for far too long, and those are the lighweight versions of right-wing punditry. Fuck your feelings, this was long overdue.
 

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Info from a journalist at The Intercept (Which media bias fact checker claims is left leaning)

This is objectively false information. Uncritically parroting propaganda is a bad look.


Nicholas Ochs, founder of the Proud Boys Hawaii chapter and failed Republican state house candidate, was arrested last Thursday in connection with the storming of the capitol. He's also a confirmed Parler user; his posts were even included in the FBI's affidavit for the case.
 
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"secretly influencing public access to" means manipulating/suppressing search results or trending topics. It's only tangentially related to kicking off Trump, because both are defended by the same "PrIvAtE cOmPaNy" phrase.

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Wow. So Poland's government can now censor who ever they like. Absolute genius
 

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Wow. So Poland's government can now censor who ever they like. Absolute genius
I don't think you're reading that right.

They're just saying "you can't censor somebody UNLESS they break polish law"
 

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I don't think you're reading that right.

They're just saying "you can't censor somebody UNLESS they break polish law"
I don't think you understand what just happened. Poland's government can use this bill to cancel censorship they don't like... but skip over censorship they do like. A very easy way to make sure only the censorship they want to happen happens

Sure, they have to rely on someone else to do the censoring for them but that shouldn't be hard to find. Also, plausible deniability
 

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Even if you don't believe the info in the video there's a simple way it can be proved to be fake.
If it were true and this info has been out there for months, you can be sure it would have surfaced and have been publicly posted a fair bit by now. I don't see how everyone could or would agree to keep the information hidden on some deep web forum, it would be like the Fappening but 10 times more public.
A month+ old video is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about what is being discussed here the past day or two.

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Hahaha, Poland is quickly turning into the shit hole of Europe, the only thing that country is good for is cheap labor.

Want to have "LGBTQ+ Free" zones on one hand and not have their little feefees hurt by being moderated on forums on the other.

Right wing trash pile of a country.
 

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Hahaha, Poland is quickly turning into the shit hole of Europe, the only thing that country is good for is cheap labor.

Want to have "LGBTQ+ Free" zones on one hand and not have their little feefees hurt by being moderated on forums on the other.

Right wing trash pile of a country.
Yeah pretending that this new bill had anything to do with Free Speech after their crackdown on its own citizens lately is just foolisj
 
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I don't think you understand what just happened. Poland's government can use this bill to cancel censorship they don't like... but skip over censorship they do like. A very easy way to make sure only the censorship they want to happen happens

Sure, they have to rely on someone else to do the censoring for them but that shouldn't be hard to find. Also, plausible deniability
Poland has always had the right to censor what they want to censor, according to their own laws, haven't they? This law doesn't impact that.

If we implemented this sort of law, it wouldn't give the government any more power, would it?
 

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Maybe he co-founded the Intercept, but then left it and is now a journalist somewhere else?
He was fired, specifically for criticizing centrists too much. So, fuck you Intercept. Lefties were up in arms over it a while ago

That been said, I remember him claiming some outlandish things since then so... maybe Lefties didn't have the whole story. Perhaps the Intercept was dealing with a loose cannon and was just trying to get him to be more professional. We'd probably never know

Not saying Greenwald is wrong here in the above tweet. I'm pretty sure some of this was organised on Facebook. I just dont trust him like I used to. I'd need someone else to back up his claim
 

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Poland has always had the right to censor what they want to censor, according to their own laws, haven't they? This law doesn't impact that.
I don't know about that. Since I heard about what they did last year, I wouldnt be surprised. So they are monopolising censorship... making the law even worse

Edit: I assumed you meant Polish government. Is that what you meant by Poland here?
 

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In news more directly related to the topic.

An Internet provider in Idaho is now blocking Twitter and Facebook access for all users due to the claims of Censorship by said platforms.



Archive for those not able to access it due to GDPR blocking in EU.
Oh look, you stated something, then linked an article which contradicted your statement. Again.

They announced they were blocking it to all users, then almost immediately scaled it back to users which requested the block. All before the actual blocking was rolled out.

On the topic of an ISP blocking a social media company for trying to censor what people see online....where's that meme of two spidermen pointing at each other?
 

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So they are monopolising censorship...
That sounds like a weird way to put it, but technically, sure. I fail to see the problem with that, though.

I guess you're coming at it from the perspective that it encroaches on a business' rights, and that's why it's bad? To that, my hunch is that it would differentiate between a communications platform, like Twitter, and something like "ChristianMingle" or something, where one is supposed to be open for all, and the other is specifically about a certain point of view. I'd have to read the law to find out more, though.
 

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Sometimes things don't move back and forth. We still have the TSA, thanks to 9/11. In some places, it's still illegal to deny the holocaust.
I mean the scale of generations that things move back and forth. 19 years is an eyeblink. Women have had the vote a century, and there still hasn't been a woman president. 60 years since the USA started decriminalising homosexuality, and only a few years ago until the president forced the military to accept that gays weren't going to make the army melt down into a bunch of squealing queens too busy fucking each other to fight their enemy.

Maybe some places have got a problem with people denying the Holocaust. I mean, it kind of strikes me Holocaust denial might be more of an issue in Germany than Tawian, and I'm sure if we thought about it, we might appreciate a good reason why. (Is denying the Holocaust really so essential that it will disadvantge someone's life if they don't?)

Could censorship creep backwards?
It does all the time! I literally gave you an example. Censorship has been rolling back for decades in all sorts of ways.

I love classic horror movies. They were age rated 18 in my country on release in the 1960s. Many of them are rated 12 now. Consider the suppression of gay people's freedoms - do you think people were happy to give them platforms to speak about gay stuff in 1970, 1980? Do you remember how much trouble people got in for swearing on TV, even just 20 years ago?

People seem to have no idea that they are probably more free to say stuff now, and more ability to get an audience, than any point in history. Maybe that's going to turn out a major problem. Maybe it's growing pains as society learns to learn what it's like for literally anyone to vomit their opinions into the public domain, and in 20 years we'll have all learnt to use it sensibly.

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Honestly, I don't think there's a real problem with censorship as commonly argued. It's more a sort of fake free speech debate, on topics carefully curated to maximise the real issues, which are a) fostering grievance and outrage for political points and b) a narcissistic idea that other people should be obliged to listen.
 

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That sounds like a weird way to put it, but technically, sure. I fail to see the problem with that, though.

I guess you're coming at it from the perspective that it encroaches on a business' rights, and that's why it's bad? To that, my hunch is that it would differentiate between a communications platform, like Twitter, and something like "ChristianMingle" or something, where one is supposed to be open for all, and the other is specifically about a certain point of view. I'd have to read the law to find out more, though.
Free Speech is only about government censorship. It sounds like everyone's Free Speech is now non-existent and the government has complete control

Corporate censorship is bad. Government censorship is worse.

Eg. In my country, after the NZ mosque shooting, a bunch of conservatives targeted social media. So they put in a law where if someone says something the government doesn't like, the social media needs to pull it down immediately or they get fined. You can probably guess how that goes when someone is being critical of the government...
 

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Yeah pretending that this new bill had anything to do with Free Speech after their crackdown on its own citizens lately is just foolisj
As I'm fairly sure that Trolling isn't prohibited by law in Poland, imagine what online boards in Poland would look like with such a law.

Right wingers, always biting off their noses to spite their faces.
 

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Free Speech is only about government censorship. It sounds like everyone's Free Speech is now non-existent and the government has complete control

Corporate censorship is bad. Government censorship is worse.
I'm still not fully understanding what the problem is.
Can you provide a hypothetical scenario in which there would be a problem that couldn't have existed before this law? That'll probably help.
 

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I'm still not fully understanding what the problem is.
Can you provide a hypothetical scenario in which there would be a problem that couldn't have existed before this law? That'll probably help.
For example, if the government did something wrong, the government could stop social media from reporting it

Also, I know people who have to moderate social media for their company (just an average company, not a social media one.) Any posts made by users on their Facebook that could be construed as an insult has to be pulled down in case the company get fined by the government
 

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For example, if the government did something wrong, the government could stop social media from reporting it
How does this law enable that to happen? I'm not seeing the connection.

This law just says "companies can't censor stuff UNLESS it's against the law".
It doesn't say "the government can order companies to censor whatever they want"

It's implicit that companies must censor things that are against the law, but that was always the case, and is even the case in the US, and probably where you live too, right?
Child Pornography is against the law and therefore, companies must censor it.
This law is kind of like saying "unless it's CP, you can't remove it".

Also, I know people who have to moderate social media for their company (just an average company, not a social media one.) Any posts made by users on their Facebook that could be construed as an insult has to be pulled down in case the company get fined by the government
Are insults against the law where you live?