The 'take a step back' movement
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SargentToughie said:
If you're in the U.S. look for a Play-N-Trade. It's a franchise made up of individually owned shops under the same name where you can try-before-you buy. You can trade in games from any generation, rent games and, they can repair disc-based games. Since it's a franchise, each shop is held to a certain set of universal prices but many of the guys running the shop are up for negotiations. I got an SNES from the one near me for about $35 or $40, was able to use it before the purchase too. I also got a Virtual Boy from the same store (with a game thrown in).
That being said, there's always amazon and, ebay. I just got an NES from amazon for relatively cheap and it's working nicely for me.
Personally I haven't bought many modern games. I've been buying games for my 3DS but my last big, new console games were Saint's Row 3 and, Skyrim (picked up on the same day). I plan on grabbing Xenoblade Chronicals (spending extra at Amazon because Gamestop makes enough money and needs the competition). I've been trying to rebuild my childhood collections for the SNES and I've started an NES collection as well. Since I missed out the first time around, I'm also grabbing Gamecube games. Finally, I've warmed up to the Wii in a big way recently. It's my current favorite modern home-console.
I went back and replayed OoT on the N64 a while ago. It's much harder now because I'm no longer used to the controls. unfortunately my PS2 decided to catch a serious case of dying over the four or so years since I last used it, so there go all my favourites from 2000 - 2006
Does the GoG version of DK 2 work on Win 7? I have seen alot of cases where it crashes all the time. I love the seriesDraech said:
I always play Original War 1-2 times a year. Still have the old CD's. The best strategy game I have ever played. And it's still a good looking game.
I think I said in the OP that I don't have any intention on abandoning modern gaming completely. Believe me when I say that I have every intention of supporting indie developers and developers that don't clog their games with player-screwing nonsense, I just want to take a step back, spend some time on an older system, and remember what it was that got me so passionate about games in the first place, that's all.rhizhim said:
And as for the extra credits video? I kinda have to disagree with him. The weight of his argument relies on the fact that used games sales are a real thing and that shelf space is relevant? What happens when games go all digital, which is only a matter of time? Steam games that are on sale are almost always best sellers, no matter what the game is, and Skyrim has been a best seller since November of last year.
Through just something as simple as slashing the price of your game, you unleash the floodgates to a whole new mass market of people willing to consume your game. I'm not saying it's going to make you the MOST amount of money possible, but you have to admit that it's better then jipping the customer out of their content or holding the online portion of the game because you don't trust that they bought the game new.
I can see where he's coming from though, I guess... I just don't see eye to eye with him this time.
Yeah, the relative proportions of garbage games hasn't changed, but I don't see what shovelware has to do with not wanting to put up with DLC, DRM and activation codes.MelasZepheos said:
That said, the OP is being somewhat unfair to the booming Indie game scene, which has a lot of the quality and focus on older gameplay he wants, but with less of the nickel-and-diming nonsense.
(not devoid of it; there's still overpriced DLC/Activation codes for stuff like Dungeon Defenders)
....Besides, when I want to discard all the modern bling and just focus on core essentials for a while, I whip out X-COM, Fire&Ice or Megaman X 1&2.
I'll be going back to it in full force again in a day or so. My brother's been moving up the console generations. Started him on the Mega Drive and PS1 and now he's been given a PS2 so I'll be reliving my early 2000s. Star Wars: Battlefront, NFSU, Gran Turismo and Devil May Cry to name a few. DMC is going to be one hell of a laugh for me.
Yes, it works. Or at least it should do. GOG does ensure that their games can be played on Vista/7. I have played DK2 on Windows 7 but it wasn't the GOG version.Skuggen said:Does the GoG version of DK 2 work on Win 7? I have seen alot of cases where it crashes all the time. I love the series
I play through my old games probably more often than my newer ones. Not because I think they represented a "better era" of gaming, but because I still enjoy them. I just recently played through King's Quest VII, Ecco the Dolphin, and a bit of Super Mario Sunshine and Paper Mario, it's awesome.
For me I think the main reason is, a lot of my older games are easier to sit down and play for a few minutes or an hour here or there, as opposed to a new game where I have to dedicate a lot time which I don't have at the moment. I still haven't even played the second half of Gears of War 3, lol.
I don't think I'll be joining any movements, but I do encourage people to dust off and play their old games from time to time.
For me I think the main reason is, a lot of my older games are easier to sit down and play for a few minutes or an hour here or there, as opposed to a new game where I have to dedicate a lot time which I don't have at the moment. I still haven't even played the second half of Gears of War 3, lol.
I don't think I'll be joining any movements, but I do encourage people to dust off and play their old games from time to time.
I'm way ahead of you OP.
I haven't given up on this gen either but I generally only borrow or rent now. Then if I like something, I'll get GOTY. It's just easier than keeping track of all the updates and spending all the extra money.
The ps2 still gets a lot of play in my home. It helps that they haven't been able to make a Burnout or GTA that tops Revenge or San Andreas.
It also helps that most of my friends never moved on to the ps360 from the ps2.
I haven't given up on this gen either but I generally only borrow or rent now. Then if I like something, I'll get GOTY. It's just easier than keeping track of all the updates and spending all the extra money.
The ps2 still gets a lot of play in my home. It helps that they haven't been able to make a Burnout or GTA that tops Revenge or San Andreas.
It also helps that most of my friends never moved on to the ps360 from the ps2.
I did neglect to mention it in the OP that I'm actually a HUGE supporter of the indie scene, and actually, I kinda have to disagree with you about Dungeon Defender's DLC being overpriced, I just payed $2 for a whole new hero class, which adds a tun to the game, and I have yet to run into a single activation code too.Atmos Duality said:
I still play modern games, and believe me when I say that I'm absolutely all for Indie devs rising up and making a name for themselves (I plan on being an indie dev myself actually, once I'm done getting my Bachelors in Game design), I've just grown weary of all the 'big' titles that don't give their players the respect they deserve as consumers.
Ah, well. I can't read minds.SargentToughie said:
IMO, most of the Dungeon Defender DLC classes aren't all that good; they're mechanical replicas of the originals with one or two abilities swapped and a new model. I bought the four original DLC classes on sale for effectively 50 cents each, and I'm glad I didn't pay any more for them.
Twas a disappointment.
You and me both.
I've designed game systems and logic out of boredom or as a study for consistency. I still find that the Indies "Get it" better than the big names. AAA gaming is like fast food; looks good yet it lacks substance. You can't have it all the time or you'll ruin the appeal.
For example, as good as Mass Effect's story (1&2) and graphics were, it lacked any depth or legitimate difficulty.
There is nothing better than playing through Pokemon Snap. That game WAS my childhood.
The graphics were not great on the N64, I know and accept this, there are games I loved on the N64 that are so ugly to my eyes that it actually makes it less fun to play now. But games that weren't shooting for realism, like Mario 64 or the original Smash Bros. or Pokemon Snap, still look fine. Yeah, they aren't perfect and smooth, but the design was clear and colorful and had really great aesthetics. There is just some sort of color-coordinated Feng Shui to the simple visuals, and it's nicer to look at than a number of the games on the current generation, which are often too cluttered and lack color-contrast. The gameplay is still as fun and straightforward now as it was then, and I am much better at surviving the ice levels in Mario 64, so it has actually increased in fun. I also actually like the N64 controller, strange as that is.
The graphics were not great on the N64, I know and accept this, there are games I loved on the N64 that are so ugly to my eyes that it actually makes it less fun to play now. But games that weren't shooting for realism, like Mario 64 or the original Smash Bros. or Pokemon Snap, still look fine. Yeah, they aren't perfect and smooth, but the design was clear and colorful and had really great aesthetics. There is just some sort of color-coordinated Feng Shui to the simple visuals, and it's nicer to look at than a number of the games on the current generation, which are often too cluttered and lack color-contrast. The gameplay is still as fun and straightforward now as it was then, and I am much better at surviving the ice levels in Mario 64, so it has actually increased in fun. I also actually like the N64 controller, strange as that is.
Until about half a year ago I had a PC incapable of running anything that required pixel shader (literally)
I pretty much enjoy games from any period equally, though I am rather fond of the late '90s.
I pretty much enjoy games from any period equally, though I am rather fond of the late '90s.
If I could I'd dig up the old PS1 and pop in Megaman Legends. It was so good! I loved it, that game would have been huge all over the world had Capcom advertised it. You know why it's so good? Unlike a lot of games, when I play I don't feel like I'm stepping into the shoes of an invincible warrior, a perfect soldier, or even the world's greatest assassin. When I played Megaman Legends, it felt like I was stepping into the shoes of the main character from a Saturday morning cartoon, the good ones from the late '90s to early '00s. When I played that game, it was like stepping into the shoes of my favorite show, and that's what I loved about it. I still do.
Playing Diablo II at the moment. It's fair to say I was raised on that game - been playing since I was seven, which gives me about ten years on it to date. In spite of that I had never completed it single player (just a shitload of times on Battle.net) so I'm doing that now as the Assassin, my favourite class. At the moment I'm stuck on the Ancients at Arreat Plateau (LoD expansion), who are proving a large challenge for my solo Assassin.
Fucking love it. Absolute classic.
Fucking love it. Absolute classic.
For Dungeon defenders, that stupid pack was a bit silly, but those were mostly just ability swaps of the original four classes. The other two DLC heroes, Barbarian and Series EV, are actually totally different and have unique playstyles next to their other heroes, so it's a bit justified, but Dungeon Defenders IS a lot crazier with the DLC then most indie games, that I will admit, and most of the packs are just lame challenge maps of already existing campaign maps. Now those are a waste of money.Atmos Duality said:
For indie games? Totally glad we agree on that topic. I want to make games because I love this industry and the magic that it's created for me over the years, and indie seems to be the best way to go.
Indie Devs: Let's make games! To do that, we need money!
AAA Devs: Let's make money! To do that, we need to make games!
Oh my god, I totally know what you mean! I was actually a part of movement 'get me off the moon' for a little while before I realized that Capcom was just jerking us around.Hectix777 said:
Capcom is going to revisit Megaman Legends, there's always gold in the Megaman franchise. They just couldn't handle the money they could lose if it didn't sell well. Capcom was hurting, and it had to take less risks. If RE 6 sells as well as it looks like it's going to sell(Capcom's got 600 people on that f*****) then maybe Cacpom will go,"Yes we did it! We're sittin' on a nice fat stack of green and out of the red! But at the cost of our fans, we should do something for those guys being cool with us" and than they'll start is back up again.SargentToughie said:
I know it's more idealized speculation/fantasy, but Capcom is usually pretty good to us, they just had a bad financial year is all. Sure it will probably take a while before I see another Megaman Legends title, but something tells me game artists, story writers, sculptors, programmers, etc. are a little more than reluctant to let go of pieces to a project they held so dear.
Plus restarting it could be like an apology. That'd buy my blind devotion.