The Tale of M and S
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Uh.. so, it's wrong for an article writer to point out when they think a gaming console does something wrong on a gaming news site? News to me! Honestly this just reeks of overreaction when Yahtzee releases three articles(video or otherwise) a week and E3 was three weeks ago. Even if what you say is true, that's saying half his posted content was his various reactions to stuff about E3. Hardly being on a soapbox.LordTerminal said:
Methinks Mr. Yahtzee is thinking too hard about the new consoles. Or should I say thinking too much? Find something new to ponder over, Mr. Yahtzee, or your audience might grow bored with you.
Ah, who am I kidding, you're almost the only interesting guy on the internet.
Ah, who am I kidding, you're almost the only interesting guy on the internet.
im gonna assume this is what actually happened with the PR department of M$. i mean they cant be that stupid!
any way a very nice article Mr.croshaw! bravo!
but i wanted MR.N to come in too!
) oh and saying Xbone and PS4 are shity does not actually mean that PC is good. they are two completely different things. shocking right? (but there is that one sentence saying new consoles are essentially PCs in a shiny box. but hey who says thats not true?)
any way a very nice article Mr.croshaw! bravo!
but i wanted MR.N to come in too!
sorry but i dont see how he "wasted" an article/video on the subject. right now the biggest thing going on in the video game world is the next-gen consoles coming and his job as a video game critic is to comment on that and say how he thinks. and he thinks PC is better (which i agree with. go PC master race!LordTerminal said:
) oh and saying Xbone and PS4 are shity does not actually mean that PC is good. they are two completely different things. shocking right? (but there is that one sentence saying new consoles are essentially PCs in a shiny box. but hey who says thats not true?)
Of course it's a false conspiracy but holy hell if I wouldn't read any book that Yahtzee wrote. I mean, wow, that cat can write.
Did you miss the last 5 years, where he's been saying that he has been almost exclusively playing console games, and tends to prefer them? It's pretty much only been PC exclusives that he's played on PC.LordTerminal said:
The whole "PC Master Race" thing was in reference to The Witcher, and how the controls were overly complex, and how the devs used most of the buttons on the keyboard just because they could.
I get the impression that Yahtzee really wants a console that's good for the consumer, but he doesn't see one on the market, so he's begrudgingly accepting that PC is the way to go this time around.
Yahtzee, this is nice an all, but Mr. M hasn't backtracked at all.
Mr. M did revoke some bad points but he's lying about others.
Region Lock is gone. The once every 24 hour internet requirement is gone and so is the console locking.
However Mr. M is not as honest about the offline gaming.
I'll explain. They claimed you can play an offline game on an offline console.
However they did not explain what an offline game actually is.
I asked around, here's what I was told.
An offline game is a game without ANY features that require an internet connection.
Optional multiplayer and co-op? Online game.
Social media interaction? Online game.
Micro-transactions? Online game.
Posting highscores, achievements or other things online? Online game.
General "Cloud Interaction"? Online game.
Ability to put a save file on "the cloud"? Online game.
This means that there will hardly be any games that can be called offline games.
And all those online games? They require a CONSTANT internet connection.
So no. There will be no offline gaming since there will be no offline games.
They left the DRM up to the publishers and we know what publishers will do.
It's that plain and simple. We're still going to have a console with a constant internet requirement because all the games will have a constant internet requirement and Microsoft is all to happy to make that happen.
Mr. M did revoke some bad points but he's lying about others.
Region Lock is gone. The once every 24 hour internet requirement is gone and so is the console locking.
However Mr. M is not as honest about the offline gaming.
I'll explain. They claimed you can play an offline game on an offline console.
However they did not explain what an offline game actually is.
I asked around, here's what I was told.
An offline game is a game without ANY features that require an internet connection.
Optional multiplayer and co-op? Online game.
Social media interaction? Online game.
Micro-transactions? Online game.
Posting highscores, achievements or other things online? Online game.
General "Cloud Interaction"? Online game.
Ability to put a save file on "the cloud"? Online game.
This means that there will hardly be any games that can be called offline games.
And all those online games? They require a CONSTANT internet connection.
So no. There will be no offline gaming since there will be no offline games.
They left the DRM up to the publishers and we know what publishers will do.
It's that plain and simple. We're still going to have a console with a constant internet requirement because all the games will have a constant internet requirement and Microsoft is all to happy to make that happen.
The saddest part is that even though I know this next generation only looks good because the Xbone looked so bad, I still have the desire to buy one of them. Mr. M and Mr. S are crafty ones indeed.
This! I agree 100% with you, LordTerminal. Mr. Croshaw just seems crazy now. He's even now making crap up to make us see things his way. When he ignore simple human facts just to make an argument, then no one should care what he has to say.LordTerminal said:
This story is entirely fictional and was written by a mentally unbalanced man who doesn't believe that anything like this actually happened.Hyakunin Isshu said:
Seriously man.
Side note: What are simple human facts? Are there different types of facts for different species?
I dunno. With how willing Mattrick was to make a massive ass out of himself with his "we have an offline product called Xbox 360" statement, I would have assumed Mr M would have been jumping at the chance to be the one to take the fall.
Then again, that could have just been Mattrick not giving a flying fuck because he knew he was going off to Zynga soon anyway.
Then again, that could have just been Mattrick not giving a flying fuck because he knew he was going off to Zynga soon anyway.
"Fame is more important than competence"- Dogbert.
While I like the story and it's plausible, I think Mr.M just pandered to publishers and Mr.S waited to see what was in Mr.M's jizz and vomit sandwich before unveiling their slightly soggy BLT.
I just don't like how people are now championing the XBOneeighty as being a great console after some back peddling on their horrible policies. If they can remove them so fast then they can also re-introduce them just as fast. I dare say M$ will be trying to make it harder to get a physical disc copy of a game than to buy from the XB marketplace. When you buy from the marketplace it will be just as restrictive as it was proposed to be.
People won't migrate away as they've already committed to the console and then this kind of DRM stealth's in and becomes the norm so next generation (in 5-10 years) all this super restrictive DRM will earn the lazy "meh I already have that with the XBOne so it's nothing new" free pass.
Oh and don't try to trace me I have at least 50 proxies bouncing me all over the globe + I live on a boat at sea so you have no way to find or arrest me for thought crimes, especially as all this red paint blocks your reading equipment!!!
While I like the story and it's plausible, I think Mr.M just pandered to publishers and Mr.S waited to see what was in Mr.M's jizz and vomit sandwich before unveiling their slightly soggy BLT.
I just don't like how people are now championing the XBOneeighty as being a great console after some back peddling on their horrible policies. If they can remove them so fast then they can also re-introduce them just as fast. I dare say M$ will be trying to make it harder to get a physical disc copy of a game than to buy from the XB marketplace. When you buy from the marketplace it will be just as restrictive as it was proposed to be.
People won't migrate away as they've already committed to the console and then this kind of DRM stealth's in and becomes the norm so next generation (in 5-10 years) all this super restrictive DRM will earn the lazy "meh I already have that with the XBOne so it's nothing new" free pass.
Oh and don't try to trace me I have at least 50 proxies bouncing me all over the globe + I live on a boat at sea so you have no way to find or arrest me for thought crimes, especially as all this red paint blocks your reading equipment!!!
Mehhh... I don't know. Personally, I think you are over-thinking it.
Besides the point made by several that this whole episode seems more likely to be attributed to Hanlon's Razor and M and S has never been companies that enjoy cooperation between themselves, there is the fact that S does NOT have the TV market to go back to (PlayStation is, allegedly, the only division that gives revenue), and M has a LOT more than the gaming market (Xbox is less than 10% of MS revenue).
Besides the point made by several that this whole episode seems more likely to be attributed to Hanlon's Razor and M and S has never been companies that enjoy cooperation between themselves, there is the fact that S does NOT have the TV market to go back to (PlayStation is, allegedly, the only division that gives revenue), and M has a LOT more than the gaming market (Xbox is less than 10% of MS revenue).