It was a long and satisfying read. Much prefer to this to the top 8 lists.Andy Shandy said:You know what, this is good stuff, Escapist. More of this please.
It was a long and satisfying read. Much prefer to this to the top 8 lists.Andy Shandy said:You know what, this is good stuff, Escapist. More of this please.
Keep in mind that I'm a freelance writer. The interview was completed before The Escapist was involved. I talked about his views of journalism and editorializing because that's one of the main sources of his controversies on Twitter. When you have game journalists calling him a "massive arsehole" on Twitter and writing hit pieces like that Destructoid article, then yeah, that's going to be a big part of our conversation.maninahat said:That said, it perhaps is a little preoccupied with framing the interview in line with this site's now open hatred of "bad" "SJW" "Editorialisque" journalism.
I think the danger though is that by giving the opportunity, you potentially treat two opposing views as a level playing field, even when they shouldn't. It's why, say, people like Richard Dawkins refuse to publicly debate creationists; because by even presenting it as a two sided debate, they have given creationists a level of legitimacy their argument doesn't deserve.Terminalchaos said:Yeah, my formal logic prof used to harangue us to expose ourselves to different points of view, especially politically. The left wingers were asked to listen to Rush Limbaugh occasionally(the memories of having to listen to that self-righteous pill popper talking crap about drug use) and the right wingers were asked to listen to certain NPR programs. Exposure to alien ideas allows you to see how the other side thinks and feels as well as expand and strengthen your viewpoint. Not tolerating people that don't think exactly the way you do was my issue with the right for years and has now become my issue with the left as they obtained more clout. Those "journalists" who merely pushed their views and agenda instead of their love for the medium on which they were paid to report didn't do their job properly. When called on it they demonized those who called them out. Perhaps if they had more exposure to other points of view they wouldn't have been so smug and superior about the idea of forcing those views down everyone else's throats. It is harder to demonize someone if you understand them. That applies to almost all points on the spectrum.Mazinger-Z said:This is largely a side-effect of other outlets refusing to give that type of opposing viewpoint any oxygen. You're going to see any capitalistic publication seeing a niche market and filling the void.maninahat said:Good to see some juicy content coming out of the escapist, after what feels like a long time. That said, it perhaps is a little preoccupied with framing the interview in line with this site's now open hatred of "bad" "SJW" "Editorialisque" journalism.
If one wants to avoid the construction of echo chambers from without or within, they have to be willing to let opposing ideas be discussed and give a platform to them.'
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Would love to see more interviews like this.
Such is the consequence of free speech. In a society that values critical thinking and logic, such concerns should fall the wayside as evidence proves one side more correct than the other. Dawkins not debating creationists is a personal choice, but he hasn't called for them to be no-platformed or that others shouldn'the debate them for fear of legitimizing them.maninahat said:I think the danger though is that by giving the opportunity, you potentially treat two opposing views as a level playing field, even when they shouldn't. It's why, say, people like Richard Dawkins refuse to publicly debate creationists; because by even presenting it as a two sided debate, they have given creationists a level of legitimacy their argument doesn't deserve.
Also, this website has lost a lot of its more outspoken - dare I say lefty - content producers; if it is ideal to open the doors and get more view points, the escapist is going in the opposite direction.
Mazinger-Z said:Such is the consequence of free speech. In a society that values critical thinking and logic, such concerns should fall the wayside as evidence proves one side more correct than the other. Dawkins not debating creationists is a personal choice, but he hasn't called for them to be no-platformed or that others shouldn'the debate them for fear of legitimizing them.maninahat said:I think the danger though is that by giving the opportunity, you potentially treat two opposing views as a level playing field, even when they shouldn't. It's why, say, people like Richard Dawkins refuse to publicly debate creationists; because by even presenting it as a two sided debate, they have given creationists a level of legitimacy their argument doesn't deserve.
Also, this website has lost a lot of its more outspoken - dare I say lefty - content producers; if it is ideal to open the doors and get more view points, the escapist is going in the opposite direction.
And again, in a capitalist system, the Escapist is making a logical choice. With a surfeit of left-leaning publications, the Escapist is less likely to get the same return on a similar investment with left-leaning content.
Tho I'm really curious how an interview with the creator of Mine craft is somehow anti-left and not just public interest for gamers.
What I really enjoy is the idea of Brad selling this story to the Escapist as a freelance writer rather than as a staff writer like on other publications who have to dream up clickbait regularly for their income. A publication picking up stories based on their quality might help the industry.
It remains to be seen if that's going to be successful. I'd hope the escapist is driven more by sincerity, than exploiting a market niche.Mazinger-Z said:And again, in a capitalist system, the Escapist is making a logical choice. With a surfeit of left-leaning publications, the Escapist is less likely to get the same return on a similar investment with left-leaning content.
I was more referring to the content of the interview, in which the interviewer guides Notch to talk a lot on things like SJWs and the left-leaning sites that criticised him. Fair enough on the interviewer if that's what Notch is most known for at the moment, but the results neatly coincide with the escapist's views in its recent articles; I suspect that helped the escapist decide to pay to publish the interview.Tho I'm really curious how an interview with the creator of Mine craft is somehow anti-left and not just public interest for gamers.
Don't get me wrong, it is great that the escapist is getting outside voices and new content, but all these publications are in the same business of trying to grab an audience with eye-catching stories; which of those are considered clickbait seems more to do with a beholder's political persuasion rather than story presentation.What I really enjoy is the idea of Brad selling this story to the Escapist as a freelance writer rather than as a staff writer like on other publications who have to dream up clickbait regularly for their income. A publication picking up stories based on their quality might help the industry.
It's very much an Us vs Them mentality. It'd go off-topic, so if you want I can share with you my insights in PMs if you want.JamesStone said:snip
To the first two paragraphs, I believe you may be reading too much into the timing as specious rather than the idea that Notch did something that was considered controversial, a ton of sites made hay out of it without his input (whether they reached out and he turned them down or didn't send off an obligatory 'request for comment' is up to the imagination).maninahat said:It remains to be seen if that's going to be successful. I'd hope the escapist is driven more by sincerity, than exploiting a market niche.
I was more referring to the content of the interview, in which the interviewer guides Notch to talk a lot on things like SJWs and the left-leaning sites that criticised him. Fair enough on the interviewer if that's what Notch is most known for at the moment, but the results neatly coincide with the escapist's views in its recent articles; I suspect that helped the escapist decide to pay to publish the interview.
Don't get me wrong, it is great that the escapist is getting outside voices and new content, but all these publications are in the same business of trying to grab an audience with eye-catching stories; which of those are considered clickbait seems more to do with a beholder's political persuasion rather than story presentation.
That'd be nice. My point was in European countries there's usually a lot of different "Us"'s and "Them"'s, so we can usually avoid the polarizing effects of US culture.Mazinger-Z said:It's very much an Us vs Them mentality. It'd go off-topic, so if you want I can share with you my insights in PMs if you want.JamesStone said:snip