The tolerance thread

[Girl With One Eye]

I think I need protection form the 100 people who quoted me on the "fat" thread. Seriously all I said was look away, it really shouldn't bother you that much.

How about instead of tolerance and defending groups we learn to all just accept each other for the messed weirdos we are. Additional protection for one group implies a lose of protection for another. Aren't all people equal? don't we all deserve equal protection and acceptance?

This pretty much describes how I feel aswel. I don't think that its a matter of law, I think its a matter of acceptance.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Yeah, I said it in a previous thread that was similar how about we just stop treating each other like shit?

Unless someone is actively offending you, just let it go, and no, someone being fat near you is not offending your eyes, you're being a child. Part of society is treating people with respect. Ginger people can dye thier hair after all, should they all go do that to stop the ridicule, or should everyone stop being shitty to them? After all, they can change it, just like fat people can diet.

Really, I'll admit I get a little uncomfortable around people with heavy accents as I find it embarrassing to ask them to keep repeating things, apart from that tho, I have to talk to someone before I'll decide I hate them and everything they think and do. In fact, I rarely even hate people for intolerance and racism any more, it's more a low level pity for the gullible and the uneducated who don't understand.

 

[Pimppeter2]

The "So fat" thread didn't get locked because people aren't acceptable targets.

It got locked because some idiots went as far as saying they wanted to run Concentration camps for fat people.

No group should be safe from criticism or comedy, but at some point you cross the line where you aren't doing either. Fat jokes, fine. Saying Fat people could and should work harder to lose wait, fine. Thinking we should lock fat people up and force them to live a certain way, stupid.

this has led me to the conclusion that we should bring back hitler's concentration camps. only instead of doing something stupid likeput jewish people in them, we will put fat people in them, and rename them 'Fat Camps'. Have you ever seen a picture of a fat person in a concentration camp? I don't think so . They shall be fed nothing but rice, and will be sent on daily death marches, or as I like to call them, 'hikes'. and they won't be released from the camps until they are a decent weight. Sounds like a plan to me!

 

[RaphaelsRedemption]

Either No one should get special protection, or everyone should. And if everyone does, then it's effectively the same as no one. So I'm gonna go with no one should get special protection.

You summed that up so well, I'm going to have to quote you.

Really, everyone needs to be taught coping skills and manners at the age of, well as soon as they're born, really. Manners to stop them hurting others, coping skills so they can deal with getting hurt themselves.

 

[bjj hero]

Race, gender and, sexuality and more increasingly disability are now protected under discrimination law.

There is seriously a discrimination law?

OT: No group deserves special protection because that would be discriminating towards the groups that don't get special protection.

I don't know what country you are from but thats why we no longer see signs in bars and shops saying "No blacks, Irish or Dogs".

It took legislation in some places to change it.

 

[lewism247]

After reading the now thankfully locked "So fat" thread it got me thinking.

Which groups deserve special protection?

Race, gender and, sexuality and more increasingly disability are now protected under discrimination law. You could expect to get the ban hammer for dropping the N bomb... but not for calling someone ginger.

Which groups deserve additional protection? What should the criteria be for discrimination?

Do fat people, ginger people, goths, emo kids, faith groups, political affiliations, furry's, people with big ears, short people etc fit into this group? I read someone being called fat compared to a hate crime today? Is this accurate? Is the term carrot top also a hate crime?

You thoughts please and can we keep it civil...

This reminds about last Christmas when a card company got in shit for having a card that said "Santa visits all children....even gingers" and the card got removed from all retailers due it being offensive to red haired people. It's a bloody joke Christmas card people!

I think that fat people and such shouldn't be protected by law. Sure if they're being repeatedly be the butt of jokes at a workplace or something the people doing it should be told of and such, but it should be a legal thing.

 

[Ekit]

Race, gender and, sexuality and more increasingly disability are now protected under discrimination law.

There is seriously a discrimination law?

OT: No group deserves special protection because that would be discriminating towards the groups that don't get special protection.

I don't know what country you are from but thats why we no longer see signs in bars and shops saying "No blacks, Irish or Dogs".

It took legislation in some places to change it.

I'm from Sweden and I don't think we have any laws forbidding people to say certain things.

That may be because we, from what I know, never really had any serious problems with racism to begin with.

 

[Legion]

I will say that if you're applying for a job and you're a goth (or whatever else) then you will be discriminated against, and I don't actually see much problem with that - especially if you're going for a job that puts you in front of the public.

Well that depends, being one of those groups doesn't necessarily mean you have to fit the stereotypical appearance of one. I mean, it'd be a bit harsh if someone who looked the part for their job suddenly had their boss come up to them and say: "Hey, I heard you are one of those punk types and we don't want one working here" then it'd be a little unfair would it not?

This reminds about last Christmas when a card company got in shit for having a card that said "Santa visits all children....even gingers" and the card got removed from all retailers due it being offensive to red haired people. It's a bloody joke Christmas card people!

My friend who is ginger was given that card to him by his parents once...

How about instead of tolerance and defending groups we learn to all just accept each other for the messed weirdos we are.

You basically just said that instead of tolerance we should show tolerance?

 

[lewism247]

I will say that if you're applying for a job and you're a goth (or whatever else) then you will be discriminated against, and I don't actually see much problem with that - especially if you're going for a job that puts you in front of the public.

Well that depends, being one of those groups doesn't necessarily mean you have to fit the stereotypical appearance of one. I mean, it'd be a bit harsh if someone who looked the part for their job suddenly had their boss come up to them and say: "Hey, I heard you are one of those punk types and we don't want one working here" then it'd be a little unfair would it not?

This reminds about last Christmas when a card company got in shit for having a card that said "Santa visits all children....even gingers" and the card got removed from all retailers due it being offensive to red haired people. It's a bloody joke Christmas card people!

My friend who is ginger was given that card to him by his parents once...

Heh

Did he find it funny?

 

[Legion]

Heh

Did he find it funny?

I don't think he went crazy at them, but I don't think he particularly enjoyed it either.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Since when was ginger an offensive term? or fat? Fat people are fat, it's true y'know.

The thing is, we didn't spend hundreds of years enslaving gingers. I suppose we kind of feel we owe black people something.

 

[Woodsey]

I will say that if you're applying for a job and you're a goth (or whatever else) then you will be discriminated against, and I don't actually see much problem with that - especially if you're going for a job that puts you in front of the public.

Well that depends, being one of those groups doesn't necessarily mean you have to fit the stereotypical appearance of one. I mean, it'd be a bit harsh if someone who looked the part for their job suddenly had their boss come up to them and say: "Hey, I heard you are one of those punk types and we don't want one working here" then it'd be a little unfair would it not

How can you be a goth and not fit the appearance of a goth? The appearance is half the definition.

 

[lewism247]

Heh

Did he find it funny?

I don't think he went crazy at them, but I don't think he particularly enjoyed it either.

Fair enough

 

[Legion]

I will say that if you're applying for a job and you're a goth (or whatever else) then you will be discriminated against, and I don't actually see much problem with that - especially if you're going for a job that puts you in front of the public.

Well that depends, being one of those groups doesn't necessarily mean you have to fit the stereotypical appearance of one. I mean, it'd be a bit harsh if someone who looked the part for their job suddenly had their boss come up to them and say: "Hey, I heard you are one of those punk types and we don't want one working here" then it'd be a little unfair would it not

How can you be a goth and not fit the appearance of a goth? The appearance is half the definition.

You realise that 9/10 Goths and Punks are grown adults with real jobs right? The clothing isn't a uniform, it's just a fashion sense and a way of identifying those with similar taste. It isn't compulsory 24/7.

That's like saying they aren't Goths/Punks/whatever when in the shower.

 

[Woodsey]

I will say that if you're applying for a job and you're a goth (or whatever else) then you will be discriminated against, and I don't actually see much problem with that - especially if you're going for a job that puts you in front of the public.

Well that depends, being one of those groups doesn't necessarily mean you have to fit the stereotypical appearance of one. I mean, it'd be a bit harsh if someone who looked the part for their job suddenly had their boss come up to them and say: "Hey, I heard you are one of those punk types and we don't want one working here" then it'd be a little unfair would it not

How can you be a goth and not fit the appearance of a goth? The appearance is half the definition.

You realise that 9/10 Goths and Punks are grown adults with real jobs right? The clothing isn't a uniform, it's just a fashion sense and a way of identifying those with similar taste. It isn't compulsory 24/7.

That's like saying they aren't Goths/Punks/whatever when in the shower.

For starters, I wonder how many of them work in something like a tattoo parlour compared to, say, a bank.

Secondly, if you've got the long black hair/mohawk thing with piercings and tattoos then you don't just get rid of those.

Thirdly, "That's like saying they aren't Goths/Punks/whatever when in the shower." No it isn't.

I said the appearance, that encompasses more than just the clothes.

 

[Czargent Sane]

none. "special protection?" special implies they are getting protection that others are not.