The Troubles

[Thamous]

Sure, why not? It'd be fun to get to liberate the north...

Oh, or are you one of THEM? Bastards want to kill good, decent, honest folk who just want their homeland back?

Troubles ain't over, not 'till Ireland's free.

Though, of course, the PIRA went a little overboard.

No, most Americans are not one of THEM.

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Well, this is awkward now. Half of me wants to stop here, and half of me wants to rant about how wrong that is on several levels. Sure, there was that Revolution a couple centuries ago, but...

Human beings have natural instincts for both kindness and destruction. The instinct to protect one's own and the instinct to eliminate others is integral amongst social animals. As society grows larger, the laws we put in place exist to regulate the group precisely because of these instincts. That description I put up there applies to many people; assuming most Americans are not fitting that description upsets me.

Though, in context, they are not, and I'm more prone to ranting than anything else, especially when the Troubles are brought up.

I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood you. I was under the impression that you were asking if I was a Bastard who wants to kill good, decent, honest folk who just want their homeland back. If I'm incorrect please tell me.

 

[IrishBerserker]

I'd play it as long as it's historically accurate, and if it's fun of course.quote]

It wouldn't be fun. It'd involve the the oppresion and murder of Irish people. as well as British soldiers who probably didn't want to be part of the fight.

Like I said, I doesn't have to be Ireland, that was simply the best example I could think of.

I understand that, but it'd be pretty much the same given any conflict of this nature.

Perhaps, but I think when its not your home town, our anybody's for that matter, you can understand whats going one and enjoy it without seeing you and your neighbors house being burned down and because of that image being disgusted.

Ah, but the game would be based on something that actually happened. So it'd still be someones hometown no matter what. (and) Take WWII games as an example the only reason we can play and enjoy those is because we are generally fighting the Nazis and it happened over 60 years ago.

 

[Thamous]

I'd play it as long as it's historically accurate, and if it's fun of course.quote]

It wouldn't be fun. It'd involve the the oppresion and murder of Irish people. as well as British soldiers who probably didn't want to be part of the fight.

Like I said, I doesn't have to be Ireland, that was simply the best example I could think of.

I understand that, but it'd be pretty much the same given any conflict of this nature.

Perhaps, but I think when its not your home town, our anybody's for that matter, you can understand whats going one and enjoy it without seeing you and your neighbors house being burned down and because of that image being disgusted.

Ah, but the game would be based on something that actually happened. So it'd still be someones hometown no matter what. (and) Take WWII games as an example the only reason we can play and enjoy those is because we are generally fighting the Nazis and it happened over 60 years ago.

Perhaps, but I honestly still believe it would be worth a try.

 

[IrishBerserker]

I'd play it as long as it's historically accurate, and if it's fun of course.quote]

It wouldn't be fun. It'd involve the the oppresion and murder of Irish people. as well as British soldiers who probably didn't want to be part of the fight.

Like I said, I doesn't have to be Ireland, that was simply the best example I could think of.

I understand that, but it'd be pretty much the same given any conflict of this nature.

Perhaps, but I think when its not your home town, our anybody's for that matter, you can understand whats going one and enjoy it without seeing you and your neighbors house being burned down and because of that image being disgusted.

Ah, but the game would be based on something that actually happened. So it'd still be someones hometown no matter what. (and) Take WWII games as an example the only reason we can play and enjoy those is because we are generally fighting the Nazis and it happened over 60 years ago.

Perhaps, but I honestly still believe it would be worth a try.

It would. But the developers would have to choose very carefully and tread very lightly.

 

[AvsJoe]

I would rather to with "the troubles with tribbles" game

You know, this thread has become a place of serious discussion, so I can't help but say this funny Star Trek reference stands right out. And yes, I too would like to play a game that features tribbles as primary characters, especially now that Simon Pegg shared a scene with one in the new movie.

 

[Thamous]

I would rather to with "the troubles with tribbles" game

You know, this thread has become a place of serious discussion, so I can't help but say this funny Star Trek reference stands right out. And yes, I too would like to play a game that features tribbles as primary characters, especially now that Simon Pegg shared a scene with one in the new movie.

Maybe it just me, but I don't think a game centered around a race of fur balls would be very exciting.

 

[Eleuthera]

I would rather to with "the troubles with tribbles" game

You know, this thread has become a place of serious discussion, so I can't help but say this funny Star Trek reference stands right out. And yes, I too would like to play a game that features tribbles as primary characters, especially now that Simon Pegg shared a scene with one in the new movie.

Maybe it just me, but I don't think a game centered around a race of fur balls would be very exciting.

Chuzzle? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuzzle]

OT: I think for most westerners "Middle Eastern Terrorists" are somewhat more difficult to relate to and therefore easier to kill, since they all want "to destroy the west" anyway, than Western terrorist groups who generally have a more "likable" goal, mostentimes their own homeland.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

I KNOW! How about a game about... get this: WORLD WAR II?! SOUNDS AWESOME!

 

[fix-the-spade]

Well, people don't identify well with middle eastern terrorist as they do with your average Joe just trying to make it through awful times.

So the IRA marching (Irish) families out of their homes and gunning them down for talking to british soldiers is just trying to make it through awful times?

I realise that's not the point you were trying to make, but you need to remember the troubles are barely 'over' and they're still a massive sore spot for many people. The fact that people are still getting gunned down in the street should tell you how much of an issue it is.

Painting any side as the good guys or even as people just trying to survive is going to royally annoy a huge number of people. It's a conflict that doesn't have any good guys, even the normally well behaved British Army has done some awful things in NI. But mostly it's Irish people killing each other.

I think the Middle East is seen as more acceptable because it's 'over there' as opposed to 'over here'. It's a good example of the detached way of thinking in the world. The two conflicts aren't as different as people would like to believe, but one is acceptable as the bad guy because they don't speak english and they're further away. There's plenty of Irishmen kicking about the UK and Europe as well as the massive 'Irish' communities in the US, it's too close to home to (easily) make a game from.

 

[GodofDisaster]

I feel that as a native of the country, I must point out that quite a few people have gotten over the troubles and quite a few of my friends, are from the opposite side. However there are still people who would take offense to this game idea of yours. It does sound like a good idea but I don't think the world is ready, yet.