The Unrealistic MW2 Thread

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Xyliss

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Yea, as much as I enjoy MW2, from my very limited experience of war zones even I can tell that it's not realistic. Mostly the perks are what make it unrealistic (ignoring the ability to call in armoured helicopters for killing a few people) as most of them, like commando, make it so you have an upper hand against your opponent and by no means are realistic
 

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TerribleAssassin said:
1. The FN FAL is a selective fire rifle, this makes it fully automatic (I thinks)
2. The L86 LSW is the A1 version, this version was pulled out of service and wouldn't remain at the time the game is set in. And it would be impossible for the Spetsnaz to gain control of them as they're only issued to the British Army and Cadet Forces
3. A Barret M82 would be extremley heavy and hard to sprint with.
4. It would be impossible to fire a Javelin from a standing position without your spine curling over from the kickback.
5. The Glock 18 isn't a machine pistol, it's a semi-automatic handgun used by law inforcement units.


Anymore you want?

All very true, except the last one, since the G18 is actually a selective fire machine pistol.
 

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captaincabbage said:
It doesn't matter wether you shoot someone with a 5.56, .50cal or a 9mm, motherfuckers going down.
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Often game developers overestimate the stopping power of some ammunition as much as they underestimate it. Some NATO cartridges are bloody hopeless.

The NATO 5.56x45mm cartridge is a clear cut example. Notorious for its lack of stopping power - bullets tend to pass clean through flesh. If you don't hit vitals there's no guarantee they're going down and that's not as easy as most seem to think. Sure, they might bleed out six hours later, but who the fuck cares about six hours later in the middle of a firefight? Soldiers need a cartridge that can stop a threat immediately, reliably.

And funnily enough assault rifles / carbines chambered to this round seem to be king of the hill in video games. Every nerd out there seems to think the M4 is some kind of a super weapon despite its short barrel and crap cartridge. Not so subtle propaganda, but it sure hooked a lot of people nonetheless.

As for MW2, I saw a friend play it once. That shit was fucking retarded.
 

Deofuta

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[post="9.219189.7379253"]All you have to do is to show him ARMA 2. In fact, make him complete ARMA 2.

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Why ARMA 2? Isn't there an ARMA 3 out? Or am I just insane?
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
All you have to do is to show him ARMA 2. In fact, make him complete ARMA 2.

But because that isn't much of an answer, I'll just include a few details, because if I were to go into everything, I'd be here all day.

1) Ballistics and firearm damage are modelled completely wrong. The cartridge dictates range, accuracy and what not a lot more than the gun does. An FN FAL is considerably more powerful than an M16, and there shouldn't be a huge difference in traits between 5.56mm rifles.
2) Dual-wielded pistols don't work, particularly Desert Eagles.
3) The only thing that dual-wielded shotguns are useful for is the humour factor when you break both of your wrists.
4) Desert Eagles are terrible, terrible guns, and nobody uses them in combat unless they're complete fools.
5) Unless you're a superhuman, you cannot carry a rifle calibrated in .50 BMG on your shoulder while standing up, and you definitely can't fire it without the sort of accuracy that would make people who can't hit the broad side of a barn laugh with derision.
6) Shotguns firing buckshot have effective ranges far exceeding 20 metres.
7) Grenades are a lot more effective - and dangerous to both sides.
8) It takes a lot more than a second to take out, use and sheath a knife, and the reason that most soldiers carry a knife is for utility purposes, and because of the morale boost that an extra weapon gives you, regardless of its utility on most aspects of the battlefield.
9) Russian soldiers shouldn't be using Tavor TAR-21 rifles, as most of the Israeli army haven't had them fully rolled out yet. Conversely, militia soldiers shouldn't be using Winchester Model 1887 shotguns (or more accurately, Model 1901 shotguns, as the Model 1887 is a black-powder gun without the provision to fire smokeless cartridges).
10) Soldiers should be using dedicated marksman weapons for short-range sniping, rather than bolt-action weapons or the like. The Intervention, Barrett M82 and Walther WA2000 don't belong in the game at such short ranges.
11) In fact, as only a few hundred WA2000s were made, all of them being very expensive and notably unreliable thanks to their internals being made for accuracy rather than battlefield conditions, it shouldn't be in the game at all.
12) The M240, a general-purpose machine gun firing the 7.62mm NATO round, should not have substantially lower damage than machine guns firing 5.56mm NATO rounds, like the L86 LSW and Steyr AUG HBAR.
WHY?! Why won't they make that game for the 360? I've heard great things about it but don't have a gaming pc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy_osU-eA8s&feature=related
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Why do people even care if games are realistic?

They're more fun when they're not.
This isn't about realistic games, we're just showing how MW2 isn't realistic, and games that are more realistic, since before I had a friend who was ignorant, constantly saying that MW2 was the most realistic game of all time, and not excepting anything else.
 

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Alusin86 said:
This isn't about realistic games, we're just showing how MW2 isn't realistic, and games that are more realistic, since before I had a friend who was ignorant, constantly saying that MW2 was the most realistic game of all time, and not excepting anything else.
Ok then...

You don't recover from bullet wounds in 5 seconds

People don't survive air-strikes just because they're on your side

In real life you can see your own legs

Guns have recoil

You can't sprint for 10 minutes straight carrying two shotguns and a Barret and not get tired
 

silver wolf009

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Handguns are not that useless.
Lone wolves IRL= corpses.
Once shot, you will not me sprinting, or even moving for that matter. You will crumple and collapse.
 

KwaggaDan

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I thought the whole point of a traditional FPS was to ignore reality. Hence the running into a storm of bullets and chainsawing an imp to death...
 

Alusin86

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Mexicoho19 said:
I'm just waiting for MW3's Akimbo bolt-action sniper rifles.
If they did that, would they have to have the bolt pulled back through Francis's method? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/stolen-pixels/6018-Stolen-Pixels-86-Left-4-Dumb-Part-8
 

Durendarte

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Not to nitpick but.

TerribleAssassin said:
1. The FN FAL is a selective fire rifle, this makes it fully automatic (I thinks)
Selective fire means the weapon can be set to semi-auto, burst or auto. And there are indeed some automatic variants of the FAL

4. It would be impossible to fire a Javelin from a standing position without your spine curling over from the kickback.
The Javelin is a recoiless rifle, it doesn't have kickback, it has backblast, which is very different.

5. The Glock 18 isn't a machine pistol
Actually, it is.


Anyway, another strange thing in MW2 is how the F2000 is less accurate and less powerful than the conventional assault rifles. A bullup weapon with the same length as a conventional weapon (which I believe is the case with the F2000) will have a longer barrel due to the position of the magazine and action. And a longer barrel will generally translate into more stopping power and accuracy.

I can understand, and even stand behind, compromising realism for balance, but it's like they deliberately went out of their way to get things wrong.
 

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In a real warzone sprinting around like a lunatic with a knife will get you very dead very quickly
 

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Just out of curiosity, where does it claim to be the most realistic fps? i've never heard that anywhere but here.

And for the record, all of the things you judge as unrealistic are only unrealistic if you assume the soldiers/terrorists you're playing as aren't trained ninjas (not talking bout the ninja perk).
 

Slycne

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I'll save comments on the realism vs arcade for another time.

I'm surprised no one had mentioned an extremely obvious one. When you reload a 1/2 full magazine, your bullets don't magically enter a holding space. You either leave a 1/2 empty magazine on the ground or you wait until you have time to feed more bullets into it to top it off, not a very fast process.