The US should probably consider banning hate speech like the rest of the free world.

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acturisme

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thaluikhain said:
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Once you take away the protections of the first amendment you instantly loose the ability to defend the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth. Where's the freedom?
Eh, those aren't defended so well anyway.

In any case, a law against picketing funerals would seem to be a better idea.

If you can't say "God did X" then you have to ban all religion.

Now, if he was calling upon all good Christians to rise up and murder homosexuals, that's different.
Let's not put words in my mouth. I didn't say they were defended well. I said that if you loose the rights endowed by the first amendment then you loose the legal right to defend the other rights by the form of speech. :p And I like your idea of not picketing funerals. Go Angel Wings!
 

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Like the rest of the free world he says. Im pretty sure that last year (or the year before) Muslims protested on Remembrance Sunday (Our Memorial day) brandishing signs such as "British Soldiers burn in hell!". One guy was fined £50 for burning a poppy ring during the silence but that was about it.
 

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It is also completely legal to counter-protest them, mock them, socially isolate them, and throw their own hate back at them 10-fold. Which is what is going to happen (Occupy Seattle is holding a counter-protest). Go America.
 

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Dude you are not going to win this argument with any of them. Americans love free speech. Their goverment is currently in the process of trying to destroy their freedom but pretty mch all Americans love their free speech, it's like that thing they cling to to show how free they are.

I think it's stupid that they allow hate speech but I can see why others would want it to be free as well, and that's fine.
Jst let this thread die people because it will go nowhere.
 

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Looking at your example in specific, I agree. WBC should not be able to harass the bereaved like they do, and I think it's disgraceful that no action has been taken to put a stop to it.
 

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I can see why people would worry about a snowball effect which might affect freedom of speech, but in the UK at least we have laws against hate speech, intimidation, harassment and the like. The US seriously doesn't have those? And while laws against what people can say may get out of hand, I personally have no interest in spouting hate-filled and violence inducing bullshit against anyone, so I'm not fussed.

Saying that, in this case the WBC would probably love it of they could get arrested 'for their cause' and make themselves out to be martyrs.
 

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Once you ban any type of speech it because very easy to ban anti-government speech, just like many first world countries have.

Crenelate said:
but in the UK at least we have laws against hate speech, intimidation, harassment and the like. The US seriously doesn't have those?
Intimidation, harassment and the like are banned.
 

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We can't ban it, but its not from a lack of trying. Supreme Court found it unconstitutional to stop the Westboro Baptist Church from protesting and speaking.
 

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Free world also means free to be retarded and bother others with your disability (until you go too far and get arrested). On the other hand there should probably be a law preventing them from ruining a funeral.
 

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I think there is a difference between speech and action. They are going there to harass those people and not to talk about their opinions. It is not the act of speech you are banning but I think that any laws like this can be misused easily. Thy would need to be very carefully worded as to where and when something is deemed as an indecent action and when someone is voicing their opinion.
 

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Yes the WBC is a bunch of redneck incest retards, does that mean that because of a minority (a small one at that) the majority should lose the right to speak in what they believe in? Nah. My hopes (as terrible as they are to wish upon some one) is that some one gets to pissed and shoots them. Not even joking. I wish such ignorance and hate out of this world. Does that make it Ironic that my hate against their hate speech makes me want to kill them? I always had a hard time defining irony.
 

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criticism of Government speech in the US has been banned on multiple occasion both legally and by practice.So saying that banning hate speech could lead to banning of criticism of government isn't so much a potentially slippery slope as it is a slope we've already slipped into multiple times.
 

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I can agree with that sentiment, but Free Speech is a foundation on which the United States of America was built. It it does happen, it will leave a lot of people extremely unhappy, and I'd be shocked if long-standing rioting and strikes didn't happen.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
But it's true. The US is the only first world country (and I don't think there are even any second world countries where it's legal) where hate speech is legal.
And they're the only first world country actually doing what they should be doing: zealously defending free speech as though it were the most important thing in the world, which incidentally, I believe it is.

No government should ever have the power to determine what sort of speech is and isn't appropriate. To allow them to have that power is to undermine the single most fundamental right every human being has, and to give them a level of power which seems utterly benign at first, but is in fact so insidious that it must never be allowed to happen. I hate to get all slippery slope here, but there are already enough countries out there who censor a lot more than hate speech, and as soon as you give a government the power to censor one form of speech, you've given it the power to one day take that farther and apply it to other forms such as government protest and dissent.

I hate a lot of things about how the US government operates but if there's one thing they got right from the beginning it was making free speech the first amendment and refusing to budge on letting government have such power. Sure they may try, but thankfully the supreme court is generally willing yo slap their hand away from the cookie jar every time.

If some form of speech or protest is considered hateful and detestable by society, then exercise that same damn right to speak out, to counter protest, and to make your side heard, and hopefully, heard much more clearly. But absolutely nothing ever gives someone the right to take that away from anyone else.

Everyone has a right to be offended, but certainly not a right to never be offended.
 

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Wow, I'm from the U.S (and I am a Christian) and I find this to be very appalling. Isn't hate speech a hate crime? Don't people go to jail for stuff like this!? What the hell America!? And the Westboro Baptist Church is just.. UGH! They should all be in jail! We seriously need to reconsider allowing people to hatefully attack others and ridicule them at their funeral and make that into a crime. I just don't even know what else to say to this, this is just so messed up. Kind of gives us some insight as to why so many other countries hate us too.

War on Terrorism: "Hey, let's invade everybody's land against their consent and kill everyone who we think is a terrorist!"

Westboro Baptist Church mocks and ridicules two deceased boys at their funeral: "Um, well technically, they are entitled to freedom of speech, so, our hands are tied.."

I wish I didn't live in the U.S anymore..
 

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Killertje said:
Free world also means free to be retarded and bother others with your disability (until you go too far and get arrested). On the other hand there should probably be a law preventing them from ruining a funeral.
They protest from the sidewalk. As bad as it is, you can't stop a person from protesting something from public property. You can however, counter troll them, like so many people already do.
 

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DeltaEdge said:
Wow, I'm from the U.S (and I am a Christian) and I find this to be very appalling. Isn't hate speech a hate crime? Don't people go to jail for stuff like this!? What the hell America!? And the Westboro Baptist Church is just.. UGH! They should all be in jail! We seriously need to reconsider allowing people to hatefully attack others and ridicule them at their funeral and make that into a crime. I just don't even know what else to say to this, this is just so messed up. Kind of gives us some insight as to why so many other countries hate us too.

War on Terrorism: "Hey, let's invade everybody's land against their consent and kill everyone who we think is a terrorist!"

Westboro Baptist Church mocks and ridicules two deceased boys at their funeral: "Um, well technically, they are entitled to freedom of speech, so, our hands are tied.."

I wish I didn't live in the U.S anymore..
You act like the US are the only one who defend them when it comes to Free Speech, even Anonymous doesn't believe they're doing anything wrong and for good reason, they're not. To put it bluntly, what I think they're doing is terrible and wrong, however, they have every right to say it. Just as we have every right to insult them left and right from here or on the streets or anywhere else. So long as they stay within the parameters of their rights, they're free to protest whatever they damn well please.
 

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In Britain you're only banned from saying hateful speech if you're British. Our government is so scared of offending minorities(Like those charming fellas who chant "British soldiers burn in hell" and burn poppies)that they've taken away the peoples rights to offend aswell. If you're not British though go right ahead say what you like, put some girls in hospital then get off completely free because you're not used to drinking. Times two if you're a Muslim. Aint freedom great?

OT: My inner scumbag nationalist is hurt that i'm saying this but the American system is bet...
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maddawg IAJI said:
DeltaEdge said:
Wow, I'm from the U.S (and I am a Christian) and I find this to be very appalling. Isn't hate speech a hate crime? Don't people go to jail for stuff like this!? What the hell America!? And the Westboro Baptist Church is just.. UGH! They should all be in jail! We seriously need to reconsider allowing people to hatefully attack others and ridicule them at their funeral and make that into a crime. I just don't even know what else to say to this, this is just so messed up. Kind of gives us some insight as to why so many other countries hate us too.

War on Terrorism: "Hey, let's invade everybody's land against their consent and kill everyone who we think is a terrorist!"

Westboro Baptist Church mocks and ridicules two deceased boys at their funeral: "Um, well technically, they are entitled to freedom of speech, so, our hands are tied.."

I wish I didn't live in the U.S anymore..
You act like the US are the only one who defend them when it comes to Free Speech, even Anonymous doesn't believe they're doing anything wrong and for good reason, they're not. To put it bluntly, what I think they're doing is terrible and wrong, however, they have every right to say it. Just as we have every right to insult them left and right from here or on the streets or anywhere else. So long as they stay within the parameters of their rights, they're free to protest whatever they damn well please.
Although I really don't like that, you are probably right. I wasn't really considering freedom of speech when I commented. But we do have a right to free speech, and if we let people pick and choose what is okay and what isn't, then it isn't really free speech anymore.