The Victims of Homosexuality

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JoJo said:
This is absolutely true, but it needs to be extended to a wider net of people. You think homosexuals get it bad, try transgender, or androgynous, or asexual, or furry, or non-molesting pedophile/zoophile, or rape fetishist/sadomasochist, or moving away from sexual interests: fat people, or smokers, or Asperger's people, or those with body modifications.
I have to disagree with you about those in bold. Being overweight and smoking are definite life choices, and cost the state money in associated health risks. I don't see why my taxes should pay for the terrible choices that these people make.

Definitely agree with you about Aspergers though (just so you know I'm not a troll). My brother was diagnosed aged two and seems a lot more severe than you. I know what it's like to have people stare or make thoughtless comments.
 

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Gerishnakov said:
I have to disagree with you about those in bold. Being overweight ... [is a]definite life choices, and cost the state money in associated health risks.
You think so? Try a little experiment sometime you're in the grocery store. The goal is to get as much actual food as possible for as little money as possible. Seems pretty easy to folks who have the disposable income to buy a $60 game every month or even every week, right?

The twisted, depressing fact is that a healthy diet is considered a luxury in the U.S. these days, and is priced accordingly.

I don't see why my taxes should pay for the terrible choices that these people make.
Your taxes will ALWAYS pay for other peoples's terrible choices. Usually, said people will be the clowns in charge (regardless of whether they wear a red or blue jersey). Get used to it.
 

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I'd expected something rather different from the title and was expecting to strongly disagree with the OP.
Yeah, same here.

OP: You should probabaly retitle the thread to "Victims of Homophobia" as the current title is rather misleading.
 

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Gerishnakov said:
I have to disagree with you about those in bold. Being overweight and smoking are definite life choices, and cost the state money in associated health risks. I don't see why my taxes should pay for the terrible choices that these people make.

Definitely agree with you about Aspergers though (just so you know I'm not a troll). My brother was diagnosed aged two and seems a lot more severe than you. I know what it's like to have people stare or make thoughtless comments.
You are totally correct that smoking and being overweight shouldn't be encouraged and are life-choices, perhaps I should have made my original post clearer, I was more commenting on that it's often socially acceptable to make very degrading comments about fat people or smokers, to the point where of dehumanisation. I think the OP's already a bit pissed off at me for trying to hijack his thread but honestly I don't think the vast majority of Escapists needs to be told that gays should be treated okay, we already know that. On the other hand some of our members and the public at large need to learn to be more tolerant of various other people who aren't so different from you or I.

Also yeah, the Asperger's one is something that particularly annoys me. Offline I'm judged as "weird", or "like an alien" (real comment behind my back) because my disability even if it's thankfully mild on the spectrum, yet online I'm a "faker" or "attention-seeker". You just can't win.
 

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JoJo said:
This is absolutely true, but it needs to be extended to a wider net of people. You think homosexuals get it bad, try transgender, or androgynous, or asexual, or furry, or non-molesting pedophile/zoophile, or rape fetishist/sadomasochist, or moving away from sexual interests: fat people, or smokers, or Asperger's people, or those with body modifications.
I'm sorry but even if the pedophile is non-molesting I don't think they should be lumped into this group, First off being Gay, bisexual, furry or rape fetishist is a sexual preference. Pedophilia is about power over the individual (much like actual rape, not the fetish kind) and basically about 'stealing their innocence'

having gay/transgendered or furry sex all happens out of mutual agreement and a place of love (for the most part) while pedophilia is a sick act done to a child, it's NOT a preference for the look of a small kid. Even when a pedophile is non-molesting they still would seek out some form of child pornography in which case the child probably was exploited.

pre-teen kids are not prepared for sexual encounters!

OT: I don't see too much homophobia around here, for the most part I find the escapist to be quite a well-mannered group.
 

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I agree with you completly, however this may be the wrong side of the internet to post it on as it seems us gamers are fairly liberal when it comes to these topics. Post this on the racist moms forum or something and you might get a more mixed response.
 

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Honestly, I don't understand what all the freakin' hate is about. People are turned on by what turns them on!
This one's actually pretty simple to answer.

Societies form on the basis that there's a "norm" to follow, something, usually a set of actions and beliefs, that marks you as being one of the fold, part of the pack or whatever other group analogy you could think of. Norms pave ways for laws, morals and general all-around order and efficiency. Take the Torah, for instance. It wasn't made as a religious tool, not at its onset. The initial Ten Commandments were pretty basic survival tips for an oppressed minority. Things just got out of control once the actual "being oppressed" part of oppression got removed from the equation, and basic survival guidelines turned into hard-lined religious tenets.

In North America and much of the Western world, the statistical norm is still heterosexuality. Anyone with half a brain and who can acknowledge the fact that societies have some breathing room will have no problems at all with LGBT individuals being part of the fold. The very concept I've talked about needs to disappear in the 21st century, because I'd like to think human beings have sufficiently progressed to allow us to understand that there's more to living than being part of a biologically compatible pairing - but the statistical norm isn't something that's broken down all that easily.

People fear what they can't or don't understand, and plenty of right-wing religious movements foster a complete misunderstanding of what it means to be LGBT. All they're thinking about is that making crotch dumplings is a biological imperative, when we're about seven billion on the planet and can't seem to be able to adequately rear or feed just about two thirds of them. Factually, us *not* having kids would actually be a very good thing, for a generation or two. Of course, it'd be an economic disaster, but the planet could certainly do with having a good little chunk of its burden removed. I've always found the Creationists and Pro-Lifers from our neck of the woods hypocrites, considering how the average birth rate in Western countries is about 1.5 children per family.

The short of it is that for some unexplainable reason, lots of people feel threatened by homosexuality. It may or may not be a case of hormonal imbalance and yes, I hate saying this, but being gay could very well be an indication of something being biologically "wrong" with you. A few studies have suggested that nicotine use during pregnancy could mess with the way the fetus' gender is differentiated, exposing an initially male child to higher estrogen levels and vice versa. It's nothing but a theory, but it seems pretty sound to me.

Is that something you'd have any control over, though? Of course not. Does it make you a bad person or a subhuman? Obviously not.

In short, there's nothing to be understood, honestly. Every single change in the social tissue always brings its lot of chaos to the table. The smart ones shrug when they see an LGBT person, the paranoid idiots clamor on about Christian values being in jeopardy and unsaved kids being in danger of catching "the gay".

My take on things is that we should leave the issue stew for a few decades more. Let us find a cure for AIDS first, or actually come across an autoimmune population from whom we could develop some kind of blood serum. Then we'll sort of settle in, the exact same way everyone calmed down in the decades that followed African Americans gaining equal rights.

Eventually, being LGBT will become part of the norm, and the raging hate-mongers are going to change their tune. They'll find a new scapegoat to bash on, and society will have earned a new standard-bearer for the definition of risqué relationships.
 

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I agree strongly with the OP. I am myself a Homosexual I live in fear of anyone outside the nets finding out. My family, co-workers, etc are all strongly christian. I have a feeling I'll be disowned, fired, and possibly assaulted.

Just going through the news headlines where I see politicians call me evil or a bad influence. Shit I'm a former Eagle Scout, I've never even had a speeding ticket in my life. I live a strong law abiding life which i feel is very moral, perhaps even more moral than some Christians.

I don't want to hurt anyone, I still want to love my family. I just want to be treated like a normal human being. My boyfriend is an adult and we both choose to love each-other. We cook dinner, talk about music, make love, and watch movies just like any other couple we just arn't planning on children.

I don't understand how or why I am a bad person, or why I have to be actively persecuted.
 

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I'm probably going to get some flack for this, but my religion is against homosexuality. That being said, I do not agree with all the hate mongering morons who think that just because they think something is wrong, they can persecute and torment them. They cannot. That is not your right. People, no matter their faults, are human beings. And as such I will treat anyone like a person, with compassion and understanding, whether I agree with their lifestyle or not. You can't change my beliefs, so don't even try, but when people try to take away the freedom to do what they want, that makes me angry. So I am fully in favor of bills that give more rights to people, such as gay marriage, because I don't think it's the governments business to oppose peoples immortal right to choose.

Now, before you bombard me with a flurry of "but they don't get to choose" comments, because I know you will, while I do think it's a choice, I obviously don't think people just get out of bed one day and say "well, I'm gonna be gay." It doesn't work like that. It's something they tend to deal with their entire lives, and I am in no way saying it's easy to fight it. But I can tell you multiple stories of people who were gay and changed their lives. Too many people assume that because most people can't or won't do it, that no one can. I've seen incredibly gay men turn around and raise entire families. It's possible no matter how much you deny it. They weren't "brain washed", as most people will be convinced of, they were given options to help them and they chose to do so. Once again, it all comes down to choice, and being given those choices. Anyway, I'll stop here and wait for the inevitable flux of people disagreeing with me.
 

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I agree completely, Though I am not gay or bi I support the rights of those who are and wish them nothing but the best as I would anyone else. Growing up I heard a lot of this anti-gay shit from my dad, a man so bigoted the KKK kicked him out for being 'too intolerant'. I could go on for a couple of posts about the stupid shit that fell out of his mouth but I won't. I will say it's refreshing to know, or to be reminded that their are people out there who don't have their heads up their ass.

Something that I always wanted to know: Why do people who aren't gay care that other people are? I'm referring to the people who hate homosexuals. It's not your life, it doesn't affect you. Their not making you watch. So...why? Why do you care so much? Questions I put to dad....who of course started dry humping the bible. In between cheating on my mom, drinking, hitting me, and sleeping with a heroine addict. Mean while my mom's gay friend invites us to a Christmas party and comes across as a nice warm welcoming individual.

I'm not sure that's Irony but it was a nice revelation.
 

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You think this is the Fox News site or what?

This is the Escapist; You'll be hard pressed to find an openly gay bashing individual here.

I don't really understand the point of this thread, I guess.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Title: The Victims of Homosexuality
Post: Discrimination is bad.
Huh. Did not see that coming.

Toombs approves +7

OT: This one is slightly saddened that this needs to be said, but I completely approve of your message. Thanks for putting the time in to write this.
 

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Xhoyl said:
But I can tell you multiple stories of people who were gay and changed their lives. Too many people assume that because most people can't or won't do it, that no one can. I've seen incredibly gay men turn around and raise entire families. It's possible no matter how much you deny it. They weren't "brain washed", as most people will be convinced of, they were given options to help them and they chose to do so.
That's called bisexuality.
Just because some people have a wide spectrum of sexual attraction to pick from, doesn't mean everyone does.
 
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I'm probably going to get some flack for this, but my religion is against homosexuality. That being said, I do not agree with all the hate mongering morons who think that just because they think something is wrong, they can persecute and torment them. They cannot. That is not your right. People, no matter their faults, are human beings. And as such I will treat anyone like a person, with compassion and understanding, whether I agree with their lifestyle or not. You can't change my beliefs, so don't even try, but when people try to take away the freedom to do what they want, that makes me angry. So I am fully in favor of bills that give more rights to people, such as gay marriage, because I don't think it's the governments business to oppose peoples immortal right to choose.

Now, before you bombard me with a flurry of "but they don't get to choose" comments, because I know you will, while I do think it's a choice, I obviously don't think people just get out of bed one day and say "well, I'm gonna be gay." It doesn't work like that. It's something they tend to deal with their entire lives, and I am in no way saying it's easy to fight it. But I can tell you multiple stories of people who were gay and changed their lives. Too many people assume that because most people can't or won't do it, that no one can. I've seen incredibly gay men turn around and raise entire families. It's possible no matter how much you deny it. They weren't "brain washed", as most people will be convinced of, they were given options to help them and they chose to do so. Once again, it all comes down to choice, and being given those choices. Anyway, I'll stop here and wait for the inevitable flux of people disagreeing with me.
OK, I'm getting mixed messages here, so I'm going to tread carefully. Let me start by asking you this, just to clarify: Do you think homosexuality is inherently and morally wrong?
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
So, there's been a lot of talk in the forum about homosexuality lately, due in large part to the upcoming Mass Effect threequel. Both sides of the fence have gotten out of hand and I think we all need to step back and take a minute to think about the victims of homosexuality.

Homosexuals.

I'm sure it's pretty easy to sit on your comfy chair, behind your keyboard and protected by the shroud of internet anonymity while you tell everyone how wrong it is to be gay, or how immoral it is, how your god doesn't approve, how you think it's icky, etc., etc. But you know what? Shut up. Just shut up. People like that are the reason gay teens especially and adults kill themselves. While you sit there and safely tell the world how in your mind it is fucked up to be attracted to consenting adults who happen to be the same gender, people are hearing it, reading it and being told it on a daily basis. Normal people. Strangers, friends, family members, co-workers--people who you know and love, and people you've never met. These people have to listen to you tell them how sick they are. Yeah, freedom of speech; you have every right to voice your opinion. But you know what? I don't care. Shut up. You're wrong, you're a bigot and you harm people in ways some never recover from.

The only victims of homosexuality are the boy, girls, men and women who are picked on, harassed, devalued, ignored, shunned, beaten, bullied, neglected, belittled, assaulted, driven to depression; suicide and self-harm, and the people flat out murdered because close-minded asshats have a problem with what someone does behind close doors. The people who did nothing to anyone. The guy who lives next door. The woman at work. The boy at the park. The girl at school. They didn't hurt a single person and they didn't choose to be who they are. They are human beings and they want to be left alone, to fall in love with another human being and to live in peace, without people seeing their sexuality as weird and harmful to their children. They want to come to their favorite video game website and not see a bunch of bigots talking about how sick they are--they get enough of it in their every-fucking-day life.

So next time you wanna tell us all how 'wrong' and 'sick' it is to be gay, or you feel like expressing your horror at a child seeing a gay couple holding hands, take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself this: who's creating the victims here?

:) you are 31 shades of awesome for this post, have a cookie and an internet, for you gave me some of my faith in humanity back
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
So, there's been a lot of talk in the forum about homosexuality lately, due in large part to the upcoming Mass Effect threequel. Both sides of the fence have gotten out of hand and I think we all need to step back and take a minute to think about the victims of homosexuality.

Homosexuals.

I'm sure it's pretty easy to sit on your comfy chair, behind your keyboard and protected by the shroud of internet anonymity while you tell everyone how wrong it is to be gay, or how immoral it is, how your god doesn't approve, how you think it's icky, etc., etc. But you know what? Shut up. Just shut up. People like that are the reason gay teens especially and adults kill themselves. While you sit there and safely tell the world how in your mind it is fucked up to be attracted to consenting adults who happen to be the same gender, people are hearing it, reading it and being told it on a daily basis. Normal people. Strangers, friends, family members, co-workers--people who you know and love, and people you've never met. These people have to listen to you tell them how sick they are. Yeah, freedom of speech; you have every right to voice your opinion. But you know what? I don't care. Shut up. You're wrong, you're a bigot and you harm people in ways some never recover from.

The only victims of homosexuality are the boy, girls, men and women who are picked on, harassed, devalued, ignored, shunned, beaten, bullied, neglected, belittled, assaulted, driven to depression; suicide and self-harm, and the people flat out murdered because close-minded asshats have a problem with what someone does behind close doors. The people who did nothing to anyone. The guy who lives next door. The woman at work. The boy at the park. The girl at school. They didn't hurt a single person and they didn't choose to be who they are. They are human beings and they want to be left alone, to fall in love with another human being and to live in peace, without people seeing their sexuality as weird and harmful to their children. They want to come to their favourite video game website and not see a bunch of bigots talking about how sick they are--they get enough of it in their every-fucking-day life.

So next time you wanna tell us all how 'wrong' and 'sick' it is to be gay, or you feel like expressing your horror at a child seeing a gay couple holding hands, take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself this: who's creating the victims here?
Victim?

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Wait, VICTIM?

Hahahhaah. Oh lord. If you're trolling, you're doing a poor job, and if you are serious then you have some rather amusing ways of phrasing yourself.