The Victims of Homosexuality

[darron13]

Oh boy it's this thread again
Seriously, I don't hate homosexuals, so why do you keep bothering me with these "Leave the homosexuals alone!" threads?
It's already been established very much on the escapist that we are tolerant of homosexuals in various polls and threads like these
This is really the only thing I am against of homosexuals, the in your face attitude that they need to have about their homosexuality at times, trying to empower themselves in front of people they don't need to.

Also the title is quite misleading

Also, advertisement Capacha? What?

Probably because homosexuals still face alot of discrimination so people will continue to speak about it to spread awareness of the topic? Just because you don't see the discrimination doesn't mean it isn't there, as long as people experience it they'll continue to talk about it.
And I don't understand the in-your-face thing, I haven't met many gays who will openly even admit that they are. It's a rarity.
Likely the reason you think they're ALL in your face is because the only ones you notice are the ones who make it known...

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

A few homophobes in a crowd of tolerant others?

Everyone who comes here should be welcomed and not have people posting comments--however uncommon--saying their sexuality is sick.

"It's good enough" isn't good enough.

I like how you quoted one part of my comment, yet clearly didn't read the rest of it, otherwise you'd know what you just said was complete rubbish.

Considering the 6 pages of mostly agreeing people, it doesn't seem to be rubbish to many others.

But hey, if you are as sick of these threads as you say, why post in one? Feel free to leave and ignore it entirely.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

OP, you win the Internet. Seriously. I've not seen better arguments against homophobia on forums like this.

 

[MorganL4]

I'd expected something rather different from the title and was expecting to strongly disagree with the OP.

Me too........ I was ready to rage on this guy and call him a complete homophobic git.

( side note when I was little I thought the abbreviation homo meant homophobe not homosexual because it was completely illogical to, and my brain couldn't comprehend insulting someone by calling them gay.)

 

[Skin]

I am too cool to stop bullying people. Come@mebro.

And blaming the bullies for someone committing suicide is like blaming the guy at the counter for have salmonella in your burger..

 

[MorganL4]

I am too cool to stop bullying people. Come@mebro.

And blaming the bullies for someone committing suicide is like blaming the guy at the counter for have salmonella in your burger..

You have obviously never been bullied for an extended period of time.

My entire 6th grade year was so horrifying I'd be lying if thoughts of suicide didn't cross my mind. But I made it to 7th, found decent human beings and the rest is history. But some people have to deal with much more than just one school year of that shit. And some of them just flat can't take it.

 

[Skin]

I am too cool to stop bullying people. Come@mebro.

And blaming the bullies for someone committing suicide is like blaming the guy at the counter for have salmonella in your burger..

You have obviously never been bullied for an extended period of time.

I have been. Adapt.

 

[Strazdas]

as always escapist manages to amaze me. I agree with the OP evne if his wording could have been better.

You have obviously never been bullied for an extended period of time.

My entire 6th grade year was so horrifying I'd be lying if thoughts of suicide didn't cross my mind. But I made it to 7th, found decent human beings and the rest is history. But some people have to deal with much more than just one school year of that shit. And some of them just flat can't take it.

it is you who have not been bullied for and extended period of time. 6th grade? try 4-12 grades. now were talking.

 

[MorganL4]

as always escapist manages to amaze me. I agree with the OP evne if his wording could have been better.

You have obviously never been bullied for an extended period of time.

My entire 6th grade year was so horrifying I'd be lying if thoughts of suicide didn't cross my mind. But I made it to 7th, found decent human beings and the rest is history. But some people have to deal with much more than just one school year of that shit. And some of them just flat can't take it.

it is you who have not been bullied for and extended period of time. 6th grade? try 4-12 grades. now were talking.

I am sorry to hear that....

And now I get they you were being ironic, however I have met people IRL who have said almost that exact sentence entirely and meant every word of it. So yeah, that is why I didn't take it as such.

 

[Treblaine]

Title should be "victims of homophobia" thought it's a nice hook as it is... though too many people don't read the first post and just respond to the title.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Fluoxetine, I just want to say one last thing. People don't always figure out their sexuality right off the bat because, as I said, sexuality isn't black and white. Now that you're an adult, you simply need to understand and accept the reasoning behind his decisions and put yourself in his shoes. I know a girl who figured that she was bisexual at 10, while I also know that there are men and women that have kids and only end up discovering that they're homosexual later in their life. Or they pretended that they were heterosexual to fit in, to the extent that they formed a relationship and family purely because they were that afraid that their family and friends would find out and subsequently ostracize them.

Look, I don't know you or your father, or how he went about coming out the closet, so perhaps I'm not in the best position to be making judgements. Of course he has a responsibility, just as everyone, regardless of their sexuality or lack thereof, does. But you're sounding a bit selfish, not emphasizing with your father and putting a part of the blame on him rather than all of it on the bullies and this disgusting society that still percieves heterosexuality to be "the norm", when there is no norm, especially considering how much we humans have evolved in terms of knowledge, science, etc.

As for the "nature vs nature" debate, I think it's probably a combination of the two.

If people think that homosexuality is wrong because it's "against nature", then I guess we should all just start living like wild animals and throw our money into a wood chipper, because things like politics and economy are "against nature". Maybe we should kill chickens for food using our bare hands without cooking it, because otherwise, it would be "against nature". Maybe we shouldn't wear condoms and risk getting STDS, but it's OK because no condoms = more children, right? Otherwise, that would be "against nature". I could go on, but I think people get my point.

 

[Catie Caraco]

or non-molesting pedophile

Ok, this is the bit I can't agree on. Non-molesting or no, these people shouldn't get a free pass unless they are doing something to deal with their problems. Most child molesters started out as non-molesting. Many consider themselves "child lovers" and don't think what they are doing is harmful to the child. Bullshit. These people need counseling and possibly chemical castration.

It certainly doesn't help the homosexual/lesbian/bisexual/transgender cause by associating them with pedophiles. And truly, not all people should be treated with tolerance. We didn't treat the Nazis with tolerance. We don't, or shouldn't, treat bigots and misogynists with tolerance. Tolerance implies acceptance.

While I understand wanting to defend those with the tendencies who don't act on them, simply not acting on them isn't sufficient when the stakes are that high. And when we start tolerating and accepting it, it becomes the norm. I certainly don't want to bring a child into a world where its ok for people to sexualize them.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Absolutely true OP. I commend you.

 

[Raika]

You think homosexuals get it bad, try transgender

I'm going to ask you this once, and with all due etiquette.

Please... don't... go there.

 

[The White Hunter]

I'd expected something rather different from the title and was expecting to strongly disagree with the OP.

Sorry to disappoint

I too had rolled up my sleeves at the title and began to ponder how best to go about ripping the OP down.

But alas you have spoiled my fun, touche` good man, touche`.

Shame we're still in a world where this kind of thinking isn't the norm

 

[Catie Caraco]

or non-molesting pedophile

Ok, this is the bit I can't agree on. Non-molesting or no, these people shouldn't get a free pass unless they are doing something to deal with their problems. Most child molesters started out as non-molesting. Many consider themselves "child lovers" and don't think what they are doing is harmful to the child. Bullshit. These people need counseling and possibly chemical castration.

That's pretty disgusting, castrating someone for the possibility that they may do something.

Thought police ho!

Chemical castration is not the same as actually removing any body parts. I didn't say it was necessary in all cases, but some people who recognize pedophilia in themselves actively seek out this treatment because they don't want to be sexually attracted to children. Right now that is best we have for these people, since we can't rewire their brains, and we don't know enough about their brains to help them otherwise. What better solution do you have?

 

[Gearhead mk2]

Thank god. I thought you were just another raging homophobe from the title, but its nice to see someone who's put some thought into it. I myself am not gay, but I live in Brighton which is pretty much the LGBT capital of Europe, and I'm sick and tired of people shouting how wrong it is, using fag as a general insult, claiming that all gays are coprophiliac(dont look it up) pedos that spread illness through mindless bonking. One of the ones that always gets me is how the "cure your gays" types say they are doing them a favour because gay people have higher suicide, illness and drug usage rates. YOU EVER WONDER WHY THAT IS?!?

 

[Gearhead mk2]

double post soz

 

[Fishyash]

Sorry for cutting in on an interesting discussion and removing the context of your post for just a few words but I just wanted to comment on this.

When people hear of murder or some equivalent crime they rarely care

This is actually very unsettling to me if this is true... Ending the life of an innocent human being is IMO one of the worst actions humanity can commit. It's very disconcerting to hear of people reacting to murder with uncaring or apathy.

 

[JoJo]

Two more quotes? Let's begin...

or non-molesting pedophile

Ok, this is the bit I can't agree on. Non-molesting or no, these people shouldn't get a free pass unless they are doing something to deal with their problems. Most child molesters started out as non-molesting. Many consider themselves "child lovers" and don't think what they are doing is harmful to the child. Bullshit. These people need counseling and possibly chemical castration.

It certainly doesn't help the homosexual/lesbian/bisexual/transgender cause by associating them with pedophiles. And truly, not all people should be treated with tolerance. We didn't treat the Nazis with tolerance. We don't, or shouldn't, treat bigots and misogynists with tolerance. Tolerance implies acceptance.

While I understand wanting to defend those with the tendencies who don't act on them, simply not acting on them isn't sufficient when the stakes are that high. And when we start tolerating and accepting it, it becomes the norm. I certainly don't want to bring a child into a world where its ok for people to sexualize them.

Nazis and bigots aren't a particularly good comparison as they choose to be that by their own free-will, whereas pedophilia is a mental illness which is no fault of the sufferer (though their actions are still their responsibility). As Matthew94 said, we aren't claiming that pedophilia is exactly equal to more conventional sexualities or that it doesn't require any treatment, but that simply the current stigma is too strong and counter-productive. Would you really want to get treatment for a condition which if it got out to the public would make you an outcast forever, or would you try to deal with it yourself instead with the added risks attached to that? It must be pretty terrible really to have to live with suppressing the strongest human desire for the sake of others by no fault of your own, whilst having many still calling you bad or twisted or deserving of imprisonment/death for that fact.

You think homosexuals get it bad, try transgender

I'm going to ask you this once, and with all due etiquette.

Please... don't... go there.

You're one the Escapist trangenders right? Yeah, I know this site (and generally the real world too) can be pretty intolerant but that's no reason to avoid the subject all together, I find it most perplexing that many people here fully tolerant of homosexuality oppose trangenderism. I haven't actually received any bad feedback (yet) about my inclusion of transgenders in my little list compared to some of the more controversial entries.

Edit: Fixed messed up quotes, now that makes more sense.