The Victims of Homosexuality

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Vault101

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GenericAmerican said:
I read through the entire OP, and while I agree; there is way to much hate in the words which isn't the way to win arguments.

Off topic, about bullied kids who commit suicide, I'm most likely going to take major flak for this. . .but fuck them, people today need to toughen up and face the hate and adversity. Life doesn't get any better, and I've met people who were sheltered from the hate and bullying of public schools and guess what? They don't' function well in the real world.

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people don't deserve to be bullied for just being the way they are....

and if you were a parent seeing your child go through that and commit suicide, you would feel differently

then again It seems youve got your own set of issues, so Id say your veiw on the matter is rather skewed
 

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LilithSlave said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
So, there's been a lot of talk in the forum about homosexuality lately, due in large part to the upcoming Mass Effect threequel. Both sides of the fence have gotten out of hand and I think we all need to step back and take a minute to think about the victims of homosexuality.
I guess I can thank there being far too many Mass Effect threads for one thing.

They're making me hate the video game section right now.

But they're making the off-topic section more interesting.
..peopel are STILL going on about that? christ
Ive met the male gay chrachter, he seems fine, just mentions off hand he had a husband

Im assuming the female gay charachter is that dark skinned british chick...but I dont know yet..she's pretty cool, but Im sticking with Kaiden
 

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Big fat flaming snip
Don't doubt me, the grim reaper came to my house, I threw his ass back outside. :p

And as explained in another post, I was pissed when I wrote that reply; while what all I said was true, I focused a bit too much on myself.

Anyhow. . .a story.

Those insecure religious kids are the best. When they avoid direct confrontation, it becomes a war, and like a war you can't win it yourself; all you need are a few friends. I helped a bi friend in Junior year fight back a group of Christian bigots.

A group of them were doing what you describe, spreading lies and hate for no reason other than "the bible says it's wrong."

You can't win an argument with a Christian, mostly because the bible says so.

So all we did was start our own lies and rumors, nothing bad or serious to start with but just the seeds. Focused it on the leader of the little group. My friend did nothing, he got to wait and take part in the grand finale. Me and some others did the grunt work, we started spreading our own rumors and lies focused right on leader of those assholes.

*lets call the bigot john*

The sheeple at school were so easily lead to believe the homophobic hate, and like sheeple, they started to spread our rumors around simply because we spread them.

Our story, nothing special, just a rumor that john himself was a closet homo, and all his hate mongering was to cover up the fact. If my friend was directly verbally attacked by any of the homophbes, he would redirect with something like, "give john a kiss for me." "tell john i'll meet him at our usual place after school." "Did john say that? I love it when he talks dirty."

John and his group responded with more hate, even had one try to win my friend over to Christianity. *we hate you and constantly say you will die and burn in hell for eternity. We spread lies and hate about you openly, but please come join us; we will still hate you but god loves you! And apparently that makes it okay. Here is a romans road pamphlet.*

This went on for a few months, the christian kids tried to get there parents involved at one point but the school, as usual, didn't care. We started using facebook, listing my friend as in a relationship with john, posting on his wall until blocked us. But the internet is a magical place, once something is on it, it never leaves.

But the grand finale, what ultimately got john and his group to stop, is a moment I will never forget as long as I live; right there after 5th period, first building between H3 and H5, to the left of the computer lab.

My friend walked up to john and his group in the middle of the hall, he slapped john on the ass, turned him around grabbed john's crotch and kissed him full on the lips before he said "My place, tonight."

I have never seen a more disgusted, horrified, confused, and embarrassed look on someones face before. The whole hallway was drowned in the sound of laughter, and the same homophobic comments once directed at my friend were now being poured onto john.

Poor john just ran and hid in embarrassment. He didn't tell teachers or his parents, and honestly I wouldn't have either. But it wouldn't matter, everyone in the hall saw that, the news spread like crazy, by next period the whole school knew.

A week later, and I almost felt sorry for john, his parents caught wind of it...they heard he had kissed a boy in the middle of school and the rumors of homosexuality. Apparently he not only had his parents on his case, but also the pastor and other families at his church. And no one at school left him alone for the rest of the year.

He was kissed full on in the middle of the hall and groped, as far as anyone who saw that knew, all those rumors we spread were true. You can't live that down or talk your way out of that. He transferred schools the next year.

John never bothered my friend for the rest of junior year, and the hate on my friend died off after that because, and I quote from a senior, "That was the single most hilarious thing I have ever witnessed in my life."

It was brilliant, all their hate just added fuel to the fire.

It wasn't something easily pulled off, or something that was guaranteed to work; but god damn it was worth it too see that little shit go down in flames. I remember the bible saying something about reaping what you sow.

Okay shared my little story. And no, I haven't personally went through the bullying homosexuals receive, but I helped end some. Just a change of tactics.

But I still stand by my original stance of man up. Because no one will fix it for you. My friend weathered the hate while we laid the groundwork; and then knocked john off his high horse and right down into the mud he had been slinging. If my friend hadn't been man enough to stand up to the hate, all we would have accomplished was spreading empty rumors.
 

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Vault101 said:
people don't deserve to be bullied for just being the way they are....

and if you were a parent seeing your child go through that and commit suicide, you would feel differently

then again It seems youve got your own set of issues, so Id say your veiw on the matter is rather skewed
No they don't.

I might, we'll see; I just don't plan on raising a child that gets upset because some idiot called him a bad name.

And hell yes I have plenty of issues; it gives me a rather interesting view on the subject. If you search around, I explained in a reply earlier in the thread.
 

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GenericAmerican said:
Vault101 said:
people don't deserve to be bullied for just being the way they are....

and if you were a parent seeing your child go through that and commit suicide, you would feel differently

then again It seems youve got your own set of issues, so Id say your veiw on the matter is rather skewed

; I just don't plan on raising a child that gets upset because some idiot called him a bad name.

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*sigh* your trivialising somthign very serious....of coarse kids react to thease things in different ways, some dont get depression, some dont commit suicide,

some do, we all induviduals after all

and I can't stand it when peopel go back to the same argument "yeah? well I went through some hardship and I came out just fine! they should jsut toughen up"

THEY and not YOU, you cant tell people their problems don't matter..ot to suck it up, it doesnt work that way

and yeah, Ive read your other posts
 

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*sigh* your trivialising somthign very serious....of coarse kids react to thease things in different ways, some dont get depression, some dont commit suicide,

some do, we all induviduals after all

and I can't stand it when peopel go back to the same argument "yeah? well I went through some hardship and I came out just fine! they should jsut toughen up"

THEY and not YOU, you cant tell people their problems don't matter..ot to suck it up, it doesnt work that way

and yeah, Ive read your other posts
Yeah I'm trivializing it, because in the grand scope of things these matters are trivial. There is much worse to worry about than if someone likes you, or calls you a a flaming homo who needs to burn in hell.

Call me a cold hearted bastard; but honestly, getting depressed and/or committing suicide because a group of people don't like you is pants on head retarded, and if you do then I don't think you were cut out for life on earth and it's better off if you are not here. If you can't take assholes being assholes, then go bury yourself under a rock.

And I can tell people to suck it up all day, you don't have to listen; I'm just someone on the internet. Besides, it works for the military, it worked for me.

One undeniable truth in life is this: Once you learn to not give a shit about what others think, your life becomes easy.
 

Vault101

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GenericAmerican said:
I dont think you get it

its not "getting depressed because people dont like you" its a alot of things

1. as much as you may not like it depression is a mental illness, that doesnt mean that everyone who feels down once in a while has actual depression, but it is a real thing (I think it can have somthing to do with chemical inbalances and such) anyone who says otherwise really needs to shut the fuck up....(not nessicaryly you personally, but plenty of peopel might say "suck it up" but as i said...it doesnt work that way, we deal with things differntly.."suck it up" just doesnt work for some people)

2.if you are physically and verbally abused every single day of your life...then its going to have an effect..ESPECIALLY if your a teenager, teenages are more at risk with that kind of thing...can they be over dramatic? yes (hence the emo movment, you fantasis the Idea of suicide as some glamourous thing that will make peopel stop and ackowledge you) but as I said, that kind of abuse you start to belive it, and life becomes unbearable (Im talking about the extreme end of things)

because highschool is a time where everyone just wants to fit in, if you dont fit in your victimised, that doesnt mean you cant function in real life...highschool isnt real life...its a bizare highreachy full of shitheads, in the adult world there are shitheads, but they cant make your life hell because your not "cool"

3. like I said trivialising it, your wording is attempting to make the issue somthing its not