The Vietnam War

[LeeHarveyO]

It makes me so mad when I here people saying that this was a meaningless war. But in all actuallity it totally wasn't. We were fighting to stop the spread of communism, and to promote democracy. Also even if we shouldn't have been there in the first place we should have at least stayed to finish the job. Any comments?

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

I think you're name is ironic if you're as anti communist as you seem. I think Vietnam was stupid for A) I'm against wars overall B) The Pentagon Papers suggested that officials knew we couldn't win the war but let soldier just die on principle.

What pisses me off to unseemly levels is the treatment of veterans when they got home. It is the sole reason I think hippies are trash. If you know a veteran, tell him "welcome home" it may be the damn first time he/she has ever heard it.

 

[LeeHarveyO]

I think you're name is ironic if you're as anti communist as you seem. I think Vietnam was stupid for A) I'm against wars overall B) The Pentagon Papers suggested that officials knew we couldn't win the war but let soldier just die on principle.

What pisses me off to unseemly levels is the treatment of veterans when they got home. It is the sole reason I think hippies are trash. If you know a veteran, tell him "welcome home" it may be the damn first time he/she has ever heard it.

What you said about veterens couldn't be truer. I can't stand those ungrateful hippies either.

Oh and the whole name deel...I don't really know why I use that name probably because I can't think of anything good and his name sounds cool.

 

[AceDefective]

I think you're name is ironic if you're as anti communist as you seem. I think Vietnam was stupid for A) I'm against wars overall B) The Pentagon Papers suggested that officials knew we couldn't win the war but let soldier just die on principle.

What pisses me off to unseemly levels is the treatment of veterans when they got home. It is the sole reason I think hippies are trash. If you know a veteran, tell him "welcome home" it may be the damn first time he/she has ever heard it.

I know i hated how my Uncle told me he was treated he didn't even want to be there but when he returned he was only ridiculed and trash was threw at him ( yes bad grammer and spelling)

 

[Lios]

Learn from the past, but do not dwell upon it. What's past is past, and it cannot be changed. Learn from our mistakes so we may better ourselves in the future. Simply looking back and constantly mourning does nothing to help.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

The damn war ended more than 35 years ago. Even my friends who are veterans of the war aren't bothered when people tell them that it was a meaningless war.

 

[LeeHarveyO]

The damn war ended more than 35 years ago. Even my friends who are veterans of the war aren't bothered when people tell them that it was a meaningless war.

That may be true for some people but for many others not so much. Plus the reason this stuff makes me so mad is cause I love our military and I'm joining the marines when I finish highschool, so it means a lot to me.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

The damn war ended more than 35 years ago. Even my friends who are veterans of the war aren't bothered when people tell them that it was a meaningless war.

That may be true for some people but for many others not so much. Plus the reason this stuff makes me so mad is cause I love our military and I'm joining the marines when I finish highschool, so it means a lot to me.

I'm glad that you are joining the Marine Corps. I might join myself when I graduate. But, it's best to just ignore the ignorant dumbasses that think their better than everyone because their liberals. And yes, I'm 15 and I have a friend who fought the Vietnam war and is slightly older than my dad, why do you care?

 

[Kogarian]

To be fair, it wasn't truely a war for 'democracy', especially since the majority wanted socialism. It was simply a proxy war between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.

As for why the war truely sucked; young men were drafted to fight a stupid war that couldn't be won with the American generals' views. If they fought, they were exposed to chemicals, killed, or called baby-killers. If they avoided the draft, they were called traitors and cowards. Either way, it was dumbasses insulting young men who couldn't even vote at the freaking time.

You want to know what really pisses me off about Vietnam? The good guys were the drafted U.S. soldiers and the Vietnamese who just wanted the decades of confict to end. But they were so obviously used as pawns that it baffles me that most people don't realize it.

 

[Knight Templar]

It makes me so mad when I here people saying that this was a meaningless war. But in all actuallity it totally wasn't. We were fighting to stop the spread of communism, and to promote democracy. Also even if we shouldn't have been there in the first place we should have at least stayed to finish the job. Any comments?

If the US had stayed it would have needed to ignore everything else to have half a chance of doing anything. You need one soldier for every three people in that kind of war, an impossable figure for the US to produce.

As for how I feel about my country being involved, the South Vietnamese didn't want us there. Aus, asked the US to ask South Vietnam to ask for our help.
We were causing more problems then if we'd let the civil war continue. Sending people to a war they didn't belive in then hating them for what the goverment forced them to do, none of this strikes me as meaningful. I can support the soldier's without supporting the war.


Side note, the South Vietnam goverment didn't have the support of its people, we were not spreading democracy.

 

[LeeHarveyO]

The damn war ended more than 35 years ago. Even my friends who are veterans of the war aren't bothered when people tell them that it was a meaningless war.

That may be true for some people but for many others not so much. Plus the reason this stuff makes me so mad is cause I love our military and I'm joining the marines when I finish highschool, so it means a lot to me.

I'm glad that you are joining the Marine Corps. I might join myself when I graduate. But, it's best to just ignore the ignorant dumbasses that think their better than everyone because their liberals. And yes, I'm 15 and I have a friend who fought the Vietnam war and is slightly older than my dad, why do you care?

I care because I have a bunch of family who have served in the military and two uncles who were in vietnam also, coincidence I am 15 as well.

 

[Audemas]

If I remember correctly, the French had control over Vietnam at the end of World War II and when the communism started to take over, the French left and we came in. I personally don't think we should have been involved because it wasn't our fight. Also, I don't think we should have invaded Cambodia since they were a neutral country.

 

[LeeHarveyO]

If I remember correctly, the French had control over Vietnam at the end of World War II and when the communism started to take over, the French left and we came in. I personally don't think we should have been involved because it wasn't our fight. Also, I don't think we should have invaded Cambodia since they were a neutral country.

True we shouldn't have invaded Cambodia, but the only reason we did was to attack the Vietnamese who took refuge there and stockpiled weapons knowing that we couldn't follow.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

It makes me so mad when I here people saying that this was a meaningless war. But in all actuallity it totally wasn't. We were fighting to stop the spread of communism, and to promote democracy. Also even if we shouldn't have been there in the first place we should have at least stayed to finish the job. Any comments?

This coming from someone who uses the name Lee Harvey Oswald as a screenname the irony and the trolling is obvious that or you are very, very stupid. Lee Harvey Oswald was a die-hard communist the guy lived in the USSR for a few years was a supporter of Fidel, etc. Uggh you make me want to facepalm.

Vietnam was a waste any Vet who is being honest will tell you that. The whole damn irony of the war was one moment they would be helping a village build a church the next day they would be calling arty missions right into the village killing everyone. Hell even now the CIA is admitting their whole handling of the war was a complete mess up.

 

[stompy]

We were fighting to stop the spread of communism, and to promote democracy.

The Domino Theory was ultimately proved wrong, since countries like Thailand and Indonesia did not turn communist. Hell, Indonesia took care of its communist party by itself, not requiring outside intervention.

In my belief, from what I've heard, Vietnam could have been more about uniting the nation under one banner, since Ho Chi Min was promised elections held in a united Vietnam after the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, and since they failed to occur, he used military force to do it himself. I don't think that the Western nations should have double-crossed the Viet Min like that, and subsequently started the Second Indochina War.

That said, I found the treatment of the Vietnam veterans disgusting, with the people abusing the soldiers and their government abandoning them. In Australia, the Vietnam War was the first time conscription was introduced in such a large scale, meaning that many young men were unwilling sent to die in Vietnam. Those that came back were labelled 'baby-killer' and the like, with many just following orders (not the massacres, just plain orders). The worst, I believe, was the time it took the Australian government to address the issues caused by Agent Orange, a defoliant that caused many medical problems to the soldiers, with it being only in 1999 or there abouts that the soldiers were given compensation.

 

[Audemas]

If I remember correctly, the French had control over Vietnam at the end of World War II and when the communism started to take over, the French left and we came in. I personally don't think we should have been involved because it wasn't our fight. Also, I don't think we should have invaded Cambodia since they were a neutral country.

True we shouldn't have invaded Cambodia, but the only reason we did was to attack the Vietnamese who took refuge there and stockpiled weapons knowing that we couldn't follow.

Ok even then, that would be Cambodia who has to deal with the Vietnamese in their country, not us.

 

[PurpleRain]

It makes me so mad when I here people saying that this was a meaningless war. But in all actuallity it totally wasn't. We were fighting to stop the spread of communism, and to promote democracy. Also even if we shouldn't have been there in the first place we should have at least stayed to finish the job. Any comments?

Because it seems like a massive dick move to step on a country that just managed to free itself from oppression of a European rule. All the effects of the war are still lasting to this day: the bomb craters, agent orange is still deforming children and babies.

Plus so many American soliders went into a bloodlust when it didn't turn into their average war. Look at Mỹ Lai massacre.

The whole threat of Communism never came. Nothing eventuated from it and today everyone is hunky dory, so it was pointless. We just ruined a whole lot of lives on each side.

EDIT

We were fighting ... to promote democracy.

I just realised how much I actually hate this line and find it ironic. Democracy shouldn't come from the barrel of a gun.

 

[bue519]

It makes me so mad when I here people saying that this was a meaningless war. But in all actuallity it totally wasn't. We were fighting to stop the spread of communism, and to promote democracy. Also even if we shouldn't have been there in the first place we should have at least stayed to finish the job. Any comments?

No we were fighting to keep a corrupt regime in power.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

The form of government established in the Constitution of the several united States is incompatible with foreign conquest. But our government as it now exists cannot get enough of it. I support the troops by bringing them back to their wives and mothers. I do not think the Vietnam policing action was worth fighting. I weep for the dead.

 

[zoozilla]

Watch "Full Metal Jacket".

Then think about it.