The Wage Gap is not discrimination.

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Anyone agree with me here?

Men statistically work longer and at better paying jobs than woman.
Wouldn't it make sense for men to make statistically more?


I could go into this a bit deeper but I won't (yet).
 

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SwmnNE1 said:
I could go into this a bit deeper but I won't (yet).
Y'know, if you put more info on your thread there's more discussion value.

OT: Nyeeeh, depends really, I guess...
 

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Women with doctorates make less than men with master's degrees. On average, women earn less than men one education level below them, at least in the US.

It's discrimination.
 

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SwmnNE1 said:
Anyone agree with me here?

Men statistically work longer and at better paying jobs than woman.
Wouldn't it make sense for men to make statistically more?


I could go into this a bit deeper but I won't (yet).
What you're describing isn't the wage gap.

The wage gap is where a woman gets payed less than a man who does the same job.
 

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SwmnNE1 said:
Anyone agree with me here?

Men statistically work longer and at better paying jobs than woman.
Wouldn't it make sense for men to make statistically more?


I could go into this a bit deeper but I won't (yet).
The wage gap is when a man and a woman work the same job for the same hours, and the woman makes less money.
 

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I think part of the reason is that employers claim to take into account possible maternity leave, and other emotional stress issues that cause women to underperform or be absent from work, hence the docked pay. Whether that's morally right or there's any truth to that i don't know.

I do know that the company suffers when a woman has to take however long off for being pregnant though

Edit: People claim that women are more emotionally fluctuating than men, example might be "that time of the month" hence a possible decline in quality in the work place or interactions with others. Not a sexist viewpoint from me just thought it might be worth stating
 

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Heart of Darkness said:
Women with doctorates make less than men with master's degrees. On average, women earn less than men one education level below them, at least in the US.

It's discrimination.
Because a degree means the make more?
Men statistically take jobs that endanger their lives far more often.
These require less education and more on the job training.

They also pay more
 

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I agree statistially your statement makes perfect sense. As if a woman worked at a beetter paying job then I do she is entitled to a greater wage. I am a huge fan of the "you get what you put in" mentality.
I think if the time put into the job/education/employment level are the same, then the pay should be the same. If the woman is doing exactly the same thing I am doing then our wages should be equal.
 

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There are also basic psychological differences.

Men are more likely than women to take risks to earn more money, e.g. asking for a raise on their salary.
 

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AcacianLeaves said:
The wage gap is when a man and a woman work the same job for the same hours, and the woman makes less money.
This makes no sense.
If you could hire women for less, why not hire nothing but the ladies?

The statistics Feminists use are twisted.
 

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DannyBoy451 said:
SwmnNE1 said:
Anyone agree with me here?

Men statistically work longer and at better paying jobs than woman.
Wouldn't it make sense for men to make statistically more?


I could go into this a bit deeper but I won't (yet).
What you're describing isn't the wage gap.

The wage gap is where a woman gets payed less than a man who does the same job.
I'm glad someone managed to point that out to him.

OT: A more logical point to make would be that women are given far longer maternity leave, are more likely to miss work because of children, are still paid on maternity leave whilst someone else is payed to cover, etc etc.

Whether or not things then balance, or whether that is right or not (personally, not really - not all women will have kids and you can't just deduct money across the bored in case they do), is another question.
 

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NO DONT SAY THAT!

MEN AND WOMEN ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!
ONLY SOCIETY TELLS THEM WHO THEY ARE.

Im just going to sit here and ignore basic biology lalallalalalalala
 

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If they have the same qualifications, put in the same hours and have the same workload/were accepted for the position they should have equal wages its not that complex.
 
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The wage gap, as stated multiple times above, has nothing to do with who works more or less. It has to do with two people in the same position, one male, one female, one of whom earns less per hour than the other. It has nothing to do with the number of hours worked.

Man in job gets 10:50 per hour
Woman in job gets 9:00 per hour
(These are randomly generated numbers to show my point)

That's sexist, that's discrimination, that's the wage gap, and it's got nothing to do with how long or how hard they are working.
 

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The trouble with these kinds of stats, atleast in Canada, are that they don't reflect the real world. Say at my university, the average male prof makes 10 000$ a year more than female profs. But, the trouble with these stats is that they don't take into account how much tenure the profs have. In general, the profs who have been here the longest and therefore have more tenure are males due to the fact that they would have started back in the 60's - 70's; before there was an explosion of women into the work place. So naturally, the profs who have been here longest are paid more, and it just so happens that yes, most of them are male.

You need to look at the big picture, not just at averages which skew the information. Looking at it this way is not sexist, it is just acknowledging how history has formed this seeming biased to males.

In my opinion, two people, male and female, with the same abilities are hired on the same day, they should be making the same amount. But, if one of them was hired 10 years earlier, than yes, that person should be making more.

To re-iderate, the history of women in the workplace has skewed the conception of equal pay in todays world due to build up of tenure and such. While I acknowledge and dislike how the pay equity did not exist in the past, it is my belief that nowadays we are paid equally.
 

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Why do I get the feeling that this is someone trying to troll the forums? If you have more to say, then you should put it in your OP. At the moment your argument seems to be that because the wage gap exists it should be allowed to continue to exist. That doesn't seem to be very sound logic to me...
 

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SwmnNE1 said:
Heart of Darkness said:
Women with doctorates make less than men with master's degrees. On average, women earn less than men one education level below them, at least in the US.

It's discrimination.
Because a degree means the make more?
Men statistically take jobs that endanger their lives far more often.
These require less education and more on the job training.

They also pay more
Yes, a degree means they make more. The fact that a woman with a doctorate in Macroeconomics and holding the same job that a man with a Master's in Macroeconomics, but is still paid less, is discrimination.

"Men statistically take jobs...often" is a straw man argument. What an Army officer, who can also be a woman, makes has nothing to do with what a teacher makes.

Also, have you heard of the terms glass ceiling and glass escalator? Women who work for corporations are often prevented from rising past a certain point on the company ladder due to the glass ceiling due to deep-seated gender discrimination. The glass escalator, on the other hand, allows for men that work in professions that are typically seen as "pink collar jobs," such as flight attendant and nurse, are offered more raises and promotions than women in the same profession.