http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/horrible_bosses/8-Bit_Jack said:I didn't get to see MWSTG, Horrible bosses looked, sounded, and has been widely reported to be awful. Never even heard of the other. So maybe Spacey's turned aroundaxlryder said:Right, but Men Who Stare at Goats, Horrible Bosses and Margin Call are all very recent films, and Spacey turned out pretty good performances is those. John Cusack has also recently played in a few good movies, 1408, Hot Tub Time machine, Joe Strummer and I think The Raven is grossly underrated. It's not great, but it's deserves a better average score than what it got. More to the point, even their "bad" performances are really just okay. They're not Kristen Steward or Megan Fox bad. I think the exceptions might be War inc. and Father of Invention, which really were extremely shitty movies, but that's just one film for each of them and I mostly blame the script and screenplay for Father of Invention.8-Bit_Jack said:Thats the thing: the worst actor working today.axlryder said:Kevin Spacey and John Cusack? Harsh. John Cusack is a weird one though. He's practically never won a significant award, but he's played leading man in a lot of good films. I think it's because, unlike Labeouf or Worthington, he doesn't really get in the movie's way. He has a decent on screen presence and can carry emotional tension well, but doesn't really steal the scenes that he's in. I liked 1408 and Grosse Point Blank (his performances included) way too much to call him a bad actor though.8-Bit_Jack said:That is all he needs to playHardkorSB said:Vin Diesel?
I mean, the guy can only play 1 character - Vin Diesel.
Also, he can actually act. But no one pays him if he does. Fo realzies
I'm gonna go with... John Cusack, or that guy who hasn't actually acted in any film he's been paid to act in since American Beauty. The dad.
Fuck that guy
Kevin Spacey has played in a lot of mediocre movies recently, but I think he's proved his acting chops too many times to really be called bad. Besides, I think it's obvious he can still act when you compares his performances in films like Margin Call, Men Who Stare at Goats and Horrible Bosses, IMO.
He WAS good. Even Cusack has made good films. But now, they make the WORST actors... Lebouf at least is TRYING. Spacey and cusack have consistently turned out worse performances than "bad" actors, and did it by not giving a fuck. This makes them all the worse in my opinion
Also, and I should have made this more clear in the OP, I wasn't necessarily just referring to the actor's recent films, more so just trying to avoid people bringing up really old actors. I meant for people to take into account the entire filmography, but I also said the criteria is yours to determine so basing your judgement off more recent films is fair either way.
But every Cusack movie you've listed was just terrible.
I am taking their tracklist into account, that's WHY they rate worse for me than Vampire Woodgirl and sweaty, well-used whore. Stewart and fox have never made a good film, nor performed well. Spacey and Cusack HAVE made good films, and done well in them, and have since made awful movies with worse performances than other, newer actors and actresses. So, today, they are WORSE than the others, because they will DISAPPOINT. Go into any film with Megan Fox. You can't be disappointed, because you know it will suck. You can only be disappointed she didn't get her tits out (Jennifer's Body made money because of this possibility), and not by the film or performance itself
that's not widely reported to be horrible, sorry. I saw it, it was fine. Also, Margin Call got excellent reviews
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/margin_call/
1408 was not the least bit horrible. It was old fashioned, psychological horror in the style of Hitchcock. Admittedly, it didn't reach the same level as Hitchcock's best films and also didn't reach its potential, but it was still pretty damn good. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1408/ Again, good reviews. Also, again, I'd defend The Raven. It's not as bad as people say, and I think it's because many missed the point of the film. As for Hot Tub Time Machine, it was an homage/commentary/parody to/on/of schlocky 80's comedy. It did its job. Also got solid critical reviews. I can see why you wouldn't like it (I didn't like it that much), but as far as comedy goes you can do much, much worse. My point is that they're not bad actors. To call them bad just because you're disappointed by them (even though they're not even making bad films, just some mediocre ones) doesn't seem fair. It's your opinion, of course, so I can't tell you you're wrong, but your reasoning just seems silly. For instance, I'm not suddenly going to say that Derrick Rose is the worst there is if he starts missing some lay ups even though he's still playing way better than the actual bad players. That's doesn't make any sense.