- Jan 20, 2010
And I think you're missing my point. Any point made in a documentary with lies and manipulation should not be respected. Should banks be handing out guns? Probably not, but I really do not care if the bank gives out guns to people they've had properly checked.Aelinsaar said:I'm sorry, you're missing my point. The issue is not that the bank is failing in its duty to adequately check the recipient of the gun. The issue is it's bizarre that we have a culture in which you open an account, and get a deadly weapon. That issue about culture was after all, central to his film.AzrealMaximillion said:I disagree. That bank has better background checks than most gun shops that very recent mass shooters got their weapons from. I also think lying in order to make a point takes away massively from it. Also, Moore's Bowling for Columbine completely ignore that the majority of mass shootings, like Columbine, are committed by people on psychiatric drugs.Aelinsaar said:Of all the issues you could have with Moore, I think the gun at the bank is pretty much a non-issue. Most people would STILL be shocked that a bank is giving you a GUN for opening an account... the delay wouldn't be a factor.AzrealMaximillion said:Actually there are quite a few proven lies Michael Moore has told through his films. For example, in Bowling For Columbine, he presents a bank that hands you a rifle for making an account there. Moore makes it seem that they give you a gun as soon as you sign up.KissingSunlight said:I like to take a moment to defend "soapbox" documentaries. I don't mind if the director is approaching the subject matter from a certain point of view. It's up to you to decide whether if he/she let their bias obscure the facts. With Michael Moore, all I hear from people who disagree with him are nitpicks. They haven't done anything to disprove his movies except to stamp their feet really loud and whine that he is bias.
In a documentary on Michael Moore called "Michael Moore Hates America", by Michael Wilson, it shows how its not legally possible to do so. There's a waiting period of about a week. It shows the same bank employees giving a walkthrough of how Moore filmed the events in a manner that seemed odd and left hastily.
Its on YouTube, give it a watch.
Ther's also the issue of the editing of the Charles Heston interview he did. Full of forceful editing that shows a lot of staging.
Its not bias that has Michael Moore not like. Its his factual hack practices.
Not I know that the correlation of mental illness doesn't mean causation of mass shootings. But I also realize that American media isn't interested in nuanced points. The misdiagnosis of mental illnesses, the over-prescription of psychiatric medicine, as well as the fact that people who have had reported prior mental episodes still being able to get guns and have no waiting period are all factors. Michael Moore just simplified the entire issue and manipulated facts for his point.
I don't disagree with Moore on his views, but I can't even take his films after Roger and Me seriously. Lying to show your point should always be called out.
I honestly don't have a problem with a small town bank handing out rifles to those who open up accounts. In the US, they have the second amendment. If a bank can handle giving out guns in a manner that follows a strict regulation, better than gun stores that knowingly allowed unstable people to make a same day shotgun purchase, go for it. Until banks start doing a worse job than gun stores at selling guns safely, I'm fine with it.
I'm not rigidly anti-gun. I'm pro-regulation. Here in Canada, pretty much all guns you can buy from a Wal-Mart in a Southern State, you can buy here. We have very strict regulation here though, nothing nuts like a Wal-Mart AR-15 purchase. We have registered gun shops, and owning a gun legally in Canada pretty much allows police to search you any time they want, to make sure your gun is safely locked up. Otherwise you get a fat fine. We don't have the violence that the US does.
The US needs to regulate, and the fact that some small town bank is doing a better job than the standard should have you pissed at the US State/Federal Gun regulation laws, not the bank.
And Michael Moore lying through films to make points should not be given any inch of respect.