Them Crooked Vultures

Olo_Burrows

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The Theory: Them Crooked Vultures demonstrate that an entity is not necesarily the value of the sum of it's parts.

The Argument: The term 'Supergroup' is well deserved considering who is in this band (Josh Homme [Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss], Dave Grohl [Nirvana, Foo Fighters] and John Paul Jones [Led Zepplin]. Based on these names the asumption was that it would be one of the greatest bands of all time. However, the music that has come out is almost identical to Homme's other bands. And perhaps not even as good.

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Olo_Burrows said:
The Theory: Them Crooked Vultures demonstrate that an entity is not necesarily the value of the sum of it's parts.

The Argument: The term 'Supergroup' is well deserved considering who is in this band (Josh Homme [Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss], Dave Grohl [Nirvana, Foo Fighters] and John Paul Jones [Led Zepplin]. Based on these names the asumption was that it would be one of the greatest bands of all time. However, the music that has come out is almost identical to Homme's other bands. And perhaps not even as good.

Discuss...
Damn true. Especially since parts can conflict or just adversly affect one another...
 

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An amazing group of talent combine to make a pretty good album. It was good, but could have been way better. None of the songs stood out as amazing to me, but none were terrible. Some were ruined by by the chorus, others by the verse, etc, where spending more time on making the song sound better would have been very beneficial.
 

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They're ok, but nowhere near as good as it should be. I love all three's other stuff (except for more recent Foos stuff, I'm not so much of a fan.), but TCV don't inspire me in the slightest.

You want a supergroup? Check out Chickenfoot.
http://www.chickenfoot.us/
 

Flying Dagger

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I've listened to some of their stuff, it's alright, nothing too special though.
didn't actually know who was in the band though. may have to listen again.
 

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I really liked it, if I'm honest. Though, to be fair, I've never really listened to any QOTSA save for a few tracks (No-one Knows, 3's and 7's, First it Giveth) so I can't judge much on that front.

Maybe it's Grohl's drumming style that wins me over? I dunno.

It's also worth noting that Homme was the key songwriter, so QOTSA similarities are inevitable, though some songs, like Elephants, made me think very much of Led Zep.
 

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Without a proper link i can thoroughly say i will not be able to form a proper opinion. I would love to contribute to this conversation.
 

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Yeah, I was left underwhelmed after I heard them as well. Going by the names attached to TCV I thought that we were in for something special. The end product was mediocre; not terrible, just... meh.
[sub]By the way, I'm a big fan of the Foos, QOTSA and Led Zep. TCV were just average in my opinion.[/sub]
 

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well Audioslave has been called a super group. I kinda agree, bringing Morello's guitar and Chris Cornell's vocals together to create a new and nice take on a heavier rock sound.

But I have never heard of Them Crooked Vultures

edit: I just looked them up and have to agree, really just sound like QotSA. Could of done something amazing I think but oh well.
 

Olo_Burrows

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For those too lazy to search

TCV site: http://www.themcrookedvultures.com/us/front-splash

A couple of songs at random: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGp97OVybUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgn_ZOyFLiQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7_vH3H8LPI&feature=related

ALso, and this may be just a bass player thing, but why does John Paul Jones need a double stringed six string bass that he slaps and pops all of a sudden when he helped craft some of the greatest songs ever made (admittedly after stealing alot of it from New Orleans Rhythm and Blues guys) with just a four string and a weird foot operated keyboard thing?
 

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Olo_Burrows said:
The Theory: Them Crooked Vultures demonstrate that an entity is not necesarily the value of the sum of it's parts.

The Argument: The term 'Supergroup' is well deserved considering who is in this band (Josh Homme [Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss], Dave Grohl [Nirvana, Foo Fighters] and John Paul Jones [Led Zepplin]. Based on these names the asumption was that it would be one of the greatest bands of all time. However, the music that has come out is almost identical to Homme's other bands. And perhaps not even as good.

Discuss...
It's true, I love QOTSA, Nirvana, and Zepplin but Them Crooked Vultures are only...averagely good. By that I mean it's sounds like a bit more generic version of QOTSA. It's nothing impressive, but at the same time I am surprised to be something that I consider to be good music getting so much radio airplay.
 

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Well, it might just be that it's all a matter of opinion. Them Crooked Vultures is my favorite new band of 2009 and, yes, they have many similarities to QotSA, but that is inevitable as Josh Homme is the primary songwriter. However, I find that the songs are crafted in a way to bring in the sound of the other members' influences and nicely contribute to a great final product.

It's also important to note that the album was self-produced by the band rather than being professionally done, so it is very underproduced. Live, they're one of the few bands that manages to actually be better than on their album.

I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that the album is essentially a tongue-in-cheek parody of those who take music too seriously. A lot of their songs are crafted in a very pretentious manner, most notable being Warsaw, with its "cool guy" verses and 2 and a half minute outro. Even the instruments they play is a testament to the ridiculous over-the-topness of their music, such as Dave Grohl's enormous drum kit, and JPJ's bass. I think the OP actually explained it best, though possibly inadvertently:
Olo_Burrows said:
ALso, and this may be just a bass player thing, but why does John Paul Jones need a double stringed six string bass that he slaps and pops all of a sudden when he helped craft ome of the greatest songs ever made (admittedly after stealing alot of it from New Orleans Rhythm and Blues guys) with just a four string and a weird foot operated keyboard thing?
And, finally, I'd just like to say again, that musical tastes are purely and completely opinion-based. Personally, I find TCV to show just how incredible a band can be when they use all of their assets and pull together a great end product, whereas I find this band to be extremely bland:
Wasder said:
You want a supergroup? Check out Chickenfoot.
http://www.chickenfoot.us/
But I could write for hours telling you why TCV is one of my favorite bands ever, but it won't change any of your minds, because musical taste is opinion and to argue it is pointless. By the way, I'm not bashing your musical tastes here, I'm simply saying that mine are different, as are everyones. But that's the closest I can get to explaining why I find Them Crooked Vultures to be such a great band.

Oh, and sorry for the text wall; I completely understand if no one reads it, but I was in the mood for a good music topic and ended up going a little overboard.
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
Olo_Burrows said:
The Theory: Them Crooked Vultures demonstrate that an entity is not necesarily the value of the sum of it's parts.

The Argument: The term 'Supergroup' is well deserved considering who is in this band (Josh Homme [Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss], Dave Grohl [Nirvana, Foo Fighters] and John Paul Jones [Led Zepplin]. Based on these names the asumption was that it would be one of the greatest bands of all time. However, the music that has come out is almost identical to Homme's other bands. And perhaps not even as good.

Discuss...
Damn true. Especially since parts can conflict or just adversly affect one another...
Yes this feels true, it feels like an extention of QOTSA, some songs to feel diverse from this but ultimatly the album felt like Hommes' baby. Maybe they will prove it wrong in the next album. But it's still very good stuff.
 

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This is true, in the case of Them Crooked Vultures. They kinda suck dick.

However, when you put real musicians together, they create truly awe inspiring music.

For example, DOWN.

Members of Eyehategod, Crowbar, Corrosion of Conformity and Pantera. They have made but 3 albums over the last decade, but every one has been fucking awesome.

My point being; supergroups only work if every member is a fantastic musician. They're only as strong as their weakest link.
 

Olo_Burrows

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Wadders said:
This is true, in the case of Them Crooked Vultures. They kinda suck dick.

However, when you put real musicians together, they create truly awe inspiring music.

For example, DOWN.

Members of Eyehategod, Crowbar, Corrosion of Conformity and Pantera. They have made but 3 albums over the last decade, but every one has been fucking awesome.

My point being; supergroups only work if every member is a fantastic musician. They're only as strong as their weakest link.
So who is the 'weak link' in TCV exactly? Thats the point of this thread; that all three are incredible musicians with incredible backgrounds. I have never heard of DOWN mentioned as a supergroup. Despite Phil Anselmo
 

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I enjoy most of the songs from the album and I was excited at first, but the novelty sort of wore off. I still really like them but not as much as I did a while back.

They have a more 70's rock tone mixed with QOTSA in my opinion.

Wadders said:
For example, DOWN.
I love me some NOLA. I also think that Fantomas are a fantastic supergroup. Probably my favourite.
 

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well its quite possible that they are pulling in different directions leading to it not being quite as good as if anyone of them had total control