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nolongerhere

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Have you ever heard a song from a band that was a departure from their normal style, but was still really good? The one I'm thinking of in this case is Undisclosed Desires by Muse.


While being very different from their usual songs, it still feels like a Muse song, and is still, in my opinion, one of the best songs off of their new album.

So, have you got any examples?
 

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If she floats your particular boat I'd say Madonna is the queen of this thread. She's re-invented herself more times than anyone else ever.

For an actual answer I would have suggested Metallica for the whole of the black album, but specifically for Nothing Else Matters...

That song changed the world for them...
 

nolongerhere

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ravens_nest said:
If she floats your particular boat I'd say Madonna is the queen of this thread. She's re-invented herself more times than anyone else ever.

For an actual answer I would have suggested Metallica for the whole of the black album, but specifically for Nothing Else Matters...

That song changed the world for them...
Yeah, compared to their earlier stuff, Nothing Else Matters did seem a pretty big departure. Quite an excellent song though.
 

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I remember hearing that Green Day hadn't been as recognized as they had been before they wrote American Idiot. That song shot tehm to the top of th list for a few weeks. The same goes for Cold play before they made Viva La Vida.

Not so much reinventions, but more or less revivals.
 

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Rise Against do a few songs that are away from their general style. Still, good songs and awesome band.
 

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I would say Queens of the Stone Age, as each album seems to be a different style but I still consider them good, except the albums Songs for the Deaf and their first which are awesome!
 

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I think the diversity that Muse has within their music is what makes them popular, every album is different. For me all of 30 seconds to mars songs sound the same :S.
But back on track, i agree Coldplay's "Viva la vida" brought them back into popularity and with a new sound and they still sound brilliant.
 

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Smudge91 said:
I think the diversity that Muse has within their music is what makes them popular, every album is different. For me all of 30 seconds to mars songs sound the same :S.
But back on track, i agree Coldplay's "Viva la vida" brought them back into popularity and with a new sound and they still sound brilliant.
Really? As an avid Muse Quasi-fanboy I'd say they were popular because their songs were all made of awesome... Kidding aside, their last two albums have been significantly more pop orientated than the first three albums. Some of their songs are even bordering on electro and r'n'b. I believe that has contributed significantly to their rise in popularity. I first noticed it with 'Time Is Running Out', all the girl chavs at school were bleating about it non-stop and that actually pissed me off for a while...

Also, I'm sure Coldplay haven't been any where near as popular as they were before Vida la Vida came out? I barely hear about them anymore, not like the days when 'clocks' was released...



Suiseiseki IRL said:
I remember hearing that Green Day hadn't been as recognized as they had been before they wrote American Idiot. That song shot tehm to the top of th list for a few weeks. The same goes for Cold play before they made Viva La Vida.

Not so much reinventions, but more or less revivals.
Green Day suffered the same treatment as Muse for me. I loved the American Idiot album but it's popularity grew increasingly annoying. Especially when the chavs got hold of it claiming they were the best thing since Oasis. Yet they all completley dismiss 'Dookie' and 'Warning' etc. I couldn't enjoy 'Wake me up when September ends' because of them...

Faith No More are another band who were great at redesigning their sound, especially Mike Patton. The man's a genius... Also the Red Hot Chilli Peppers deserve a round of applause for being equal parts awesome and original after every album...
 

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ravens_nest said:
Smudge91 said:
I think the diversity that Muse has within their music is what makes them popular, every album is different. For me all of 30 seconds to mars songs sound the same :S.
But back on track, i agree Coldplay's "Viva la vida" brought them back into popularity and with a new sound and they still sound brilliant.
Really? As an avid Muse Quasi-fanboy I'd say they were popular because their songs were all made of awesome... Kidding aside, their last two albums have been significantly more pop orientated than the first three albums. Some of their songs are even bordering on electro and r'n'b. I believe that has contributed significantly to their rise in popularity. I first noticed it with 'Time Is Running Out', all the girl chavs at school were bleating about it non-stop and that actually pissed me off for a while...
While I agree that they have gone a bit pop, it has been awesome, epic, and thoroughly spectacular pop, no? I'm glad to find someone who isn't merely crying that they've sold out.
And as long as they do stuff like Exogenesis, I believe that any accusations of selling out are on rather shaky ground.
 

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While I agree that they have gone a bit pop, it has been awesome, epic, and thoroughly spectacular pop, no? I'm glad to find someone who isn't merely crying that they've sold out.
And as long as they do stuff like Exogenesis, I believe that any accusations of selling out are on rather shaky ground.
Indeed, I have been a Muse fan since Showbiz was released. I knew they were capable of things like exo-genesis back then. This was hinted at with Space Dementia and confirmed it with the release of Absolution. There's only actually one Muse song I don't like and that's Screenager. It's also good to see someone agree with me about the sell-out label. People have invested in Muse, not the other way round. They are massivley successful because they deserve to be and never tried to say otherwise.

I do wish The Resistance was a bit stronger as an album though. It's definately their weakest collective effort but we are given individual signs that they are just getting started with the epicness... I really want to hear some more orchestral pieces on the next album, and a welcome return to the styles of 'Muscle Museum' and 'Falling Away'. That would all strike a good balance for me.
 

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I think Weezer's Blue Album to Pinkerton to Green Album Arc was nice.

I even liked Make Believe, because past "Beverly Hills" it was a well done melodic album

Although Red Album so far is the change I dislike the most, it should have been called Beverly Hills: The full length album
 

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ravens_nest said:
theflyingpeanut said:
While I agree that they have gone a bit pop, it has been awesome, epic, and thoroughly spectacular pop, no? I'm glad to find someone who isn't merely crying that they've sold out.
And as long as they do stuff like Exogenesis, I believe that any accusations of selling out are on rather shaky ground.
Indeed, I have been a Muse fan since Showbiz was released. I knew they were capable of things like exo-genesis back then. This was hinted at with Space Dementia and confirmed it with the release of Absolution. There's only actually one Muse song I don't like and that's Screenager. It's also good to see someone agree with me about the sell-out label. People have invested in Muse, not the other way round. They are massivley successful because they deserve to be and never tried to say otherwise.

I do wish The Resistance was a bit stronger as an album though. It's definately their weakest collective effort but we are given individual signs that they are just getting started with the epicness... I really want to hear some more orchestral pieces on the next album, and a welcome return to the styles of 'Muscle Museum' and 'Falling Away'. That would all strike a good balance for me.
I was actually quite disappointed, they seem to have lost the art of the crescendo.

For example, there's the bit after the French bit in I Belong To You - there's this great build-up back to the original melody, but they cap it with a jazz clarinet solo - I like the solo, I think it works in the song, but not at that point - they needed something with a bit more energy at that moment in the song.

Exogenesis was another one - the individual parts don't last long enough. Every time a part of the piece gets good, they drop the pace and change it again. Really, each part of the symphony could have done with being extended by about a minute. And also, stick it together as one track ffs, it doesn't work well with shuffle >_>

EDIT: The album as a whole was still good though, all the tracks before I Belong To You were solid, if not spectacular.
 

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"Televators" by The Mars Volta.

"In The Cold, Cold Night" by The White Stripes.

"Lake Of Fire" by Nirvana.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMbZ1yeLcM8

Uncle Kracker changed over time to stuff like this.. and it is quite a good song imo.
 

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In the circles I run in, there are few issues quite so divisive as the whole Nightwish with Tarja vs Nightwish with Anette one. Personally I like them both, but even I will agree that they are very different sounds.
 

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theflyingpeanut said:
Have you ever heard a song from a band that was a departure from their normal style, but was still really good? The one I'm thinking of in this case is Undisclosed Desires by Muse
Of course United States of Eurasia pretty much fits this bill too.
 

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U2. I mean, my two favorite albums by them, Joshua Tree and All that you can't leave behind, are very, very different, but they still manage to rock despite it.
 

nolongerhere

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Snork Maiden said:
theflyingpeanut said:
Have you ever heard a song from a band that was a departure from their normal style, but was still really good? The one I'm thinking of in this case is Undisclosed Desires by Muse
Of course United States of Eurasia pretty much fits this bill too.
Yes. Reminds me a bit of Queen, that song.
 

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Gildan Bladeborn said:
In the circles I run in, there are few issues quite so divisive as the whole Nightwish with Tarja vs Nightwish with Anette one. Personally I like them both, but even I will agree that they are very different sounds.
I love both era for Nightwish, even though the Anette one has just begun.

I would have to go with The Smashing Pumpkins for this topic. Their transition from "Siamese Dream" and "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" to the sounds of "Adore" and "Machina, The Machines of God" was pretty drastic, but I love every song on those albums.