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Spot on.sanquin said:
The absolute stupidness behind such a tact is just crazy for such types of games. One of the big draws is meeting enemies who seem super-powerful, only to return hours later and kick their arse. It's one of the best feelings of reward in games and really creates a grand sense of epicness throughout the worls.
Why on earth they chose to change it I'll never know. If I walk into a cave with a badass troll living there and I've just stepped off the boat with a stick & level one powder puff spells, I deserve my arse kicked.
Alot of older RPGs did dialogue choices much better than they do today. Most of the reason is voice acting as back then it was all text so you could have a myriad of choices and responses where as now you may only have a handful. This has also lead to some pretty stupid stuff like in Fallout One where you had to convince The Master that his plan was illogical to kill himself. You needed stats in the right places but then you also needed to pick the right options and it was more of a puzzle. Compare this with President Eden in Fallout 3 where if your charisma is high enough you just tell him he's wrong and he agrees and blows himself up.
Dated: Mobile Suit Gundam - Journey to Jaburo.
The controls are wonky compared to newer games, but the overall tone and feel of the missions and how the Gundam handles once you master the controls made me feel like it was one of the best Gundam games. Every other game I played felt a bit too arcadey, didn't have the sense of urgency to the battles like Jaburo did. I liked how desperate it was, it actually translated the series it was based off of well into game format. Would love to see another Gundam game like it, with more accurate but overall similar controls.
Dated: Quest for Glory series. To me this was the best overall Sierra adventure series. Over 5 games it maintained a story arc, even while the last game was a severe departure from the previous entries mechanically. The writing was especially well crafted, the paths you could take between each class were interesting. Although the story was fairly linear you could miss or just ignore plot threads and still complete the game, which would affect the ending. I can't rightly recall if after you save the game at the end and import it to the next, whether the endings you get in all the previous entries had impact on the final game but I felt like my choices mattered at least in each chapter. I know other games have tried to do this and met with limited success, but I'd love to see QFG redone as a modern RPG arc. Let your class decide some of the game events, how they occur or even if they occur, let your decisions actually impact the ending signficantly (rather than moral choice, it either lessens your impact as a hero or strengthens depending). And most of all I want another game with that style of humor, blended with the myths of many cultures spread across a wide land of interesting and awesome places. One note, its the only RPG-ish game where I've found that rolling a thief meant you actually did some work as a thief and not just become a faster, weaker, lighter-armored fighter or archer.
The controls are wonky compared to newer games, but the overall tone and feel of the missions and how the Gundam handles once you master the controls made me feel like it was one of the best Gundam games. Every other game I played felt a bit too arcadey, didn't have the sense of urgency to the battles like Jaburo did. I liked how desperate it was, it actually translated the series it was based off of well into game format. Would love to see another Gundam game like it, with more accurate but overall similar controls.
Dated: Quest for Glory series. To me this was the best overall Sierra adventure series. Over 5 games it maintained a story arc, even while the last game was a severe departure from the previous entries mechanically. The writing was especially well crafted, the paths you could take between each class were interesting. Although the story was fairly linear you could miss or just ignore plot threads and still complete the game, which would affect the ending. I can't rightly recall if after you save the game at the end and import it to the next, whether the endings you get in all the previous entries had impact on the final game but I felt like my choices mattered at least in each chapter. I know other games have tried to do this and met with limited success, but I'd love to see QFG redone as a modern RPG arc. Let your class decide some of the game events, how they occur or even if they occur, let your decisions actually impact the ending signficantly (rather than moral choice, it either lessens your impact as a hero or strengthens depending). And most of all I want another game with that style of humor, blended with the myths of many cultures spread across a wide land of interesting and awesome places. One note, its the only RPG-ish game where I've found that rolling a thief meant you actually did some work as a thief and not just become a faster, weaker, lighter-armored fighter or archer.
This game was awesome!Elijin said:
Without any specific game in mind, older games did better was have excellent replayability. When the PS1 came out and saving became a huge part of the game, games tended to become plot driven (which isn't bad) and asked you to invest hours to beat the game in partially sittings.
But I'd rather play Super Mario Kart for 100 hours than 5 plot based games that took 20 hours to beat each. Some games are just made to be beaten once. It's what made rentals so appealing.
Metal Fatigue
an interesting rts game. A lot of the combat is done with mechas that you could configure the way you want, by choosing what parts should be used for arms, legs and torso. In that regard it was quite interesting that sometimes parts are left over when a mech gets destroyed. Then you could collect them and reverse engineer them, this allowed you to get access to technology of another faction.
an interesting rts game. A lot of the combat is done with mechas that you could configure the way you want, by choosing what parts should be used for arms, legs and torso. In that regard it was quite interesting that sometimes parts are left over when a mech gets destroyed. Then you could collect them and reverse engineer them, this allowed you to get access to technology of another faction.
GTA IV was a slog to get through. Plus, the mechanics(overall concept) really started to show their age in this part. But i absolutely loved the damage model. Nothing more fun that wrecking havoc with a garbage truck on a crowded freeway. Real shame cars in V seem to be made of nintendium again.
Oh, and also IV had the best music theme:
And that's about it.
Oh, and also IV had the best music theme:
And that's about it.
Diablo 3's Real Money Auction House.
I'll clump this under 'bad' game because D3 sold like gangbusters but got a ton of hate from the player base for the first couple years.
I absolutely loved this idea and was wishing it would pick up elsewhere in the game industry. It fully funded my gaming hobby through Blizzard over the last 2 years just for playing a game I wanted to play. For someone like me who is on a very tight gaming budget this was AMAZING!
It saddens me that Blizzard dropped the idea and it's even worse that no one else has picked it up.
Runner up from Diablo 3:
No copycats for the skill/rune system.
People are still copying Diablo 2's dated skill tree/web system. The skill/rune system in Diablo 3 shows a TON of promise and just needs some iteration to make it interesting beyond the level 60 stage and into the ultimate end game.
I'll clump this under 'bad' game because D3 sold like gangbusters but got a ton of hate from the player base for the first couple years.
I absolutely loved this idea and was wishing it would pick up elsewhere in the game industry. It fully funded my gaming hobby through Blizzard over the last 2 years just for playing a game I wanted to play. For someone like me who is on a very tight gaming budget this was AMAZING!
It saddens me that Blizzard dropped the idea and it's even worse that no one else has picked it up.
Runner up from Diablo 3:
No copycats for the skill/rune system.
People are still copying Diablo 2's dated skill tree/web system. The skill/rune system in Diablo 3 shows a TON of promise and just needs some iteration to make it interesting beyond the level 60 stage and into the ultimate end game.
All I can tell you is that currently I think the best one is unattackable NPCs. I'm not saying its a good idea, just its the best of the bunch we have. As to Daggerfall, I actually only finished it once and have had around 7 attempts at it. I cant remember broken main quests, but I remember it happening in particular with Daedric quests, but I also remember it happening with the Dark Brotherhood. That literally stopped me playing for ages.Recusant said:
I also remember a Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion where you had to kill a guy, but he was a quest giver and you could finish it if you didn't do it beforehand.
Which brings me to the houses in Morrowind. The reason I have trouble with it is because, whatever house you pick, it doesn't change the storyline other than what quests you have to do to gain approval. My feeling is that if there is no real consequences then whats the point in blocking that content off. Witcher 2 is a game that had separate sections during an act and had different quests in the last act depending on your choices. That was great and should be cordoned off. It didn't make a difference in Morrowind and that made any world building/changing aspect pointless to me.
Wasteland 2 had the same issue where there is a section where you can only save one place. But it had no affect on anything other than a different companion and one different quest. It made me pretty cranky and I cant finish that game. ESO has far too many false choices as well. I don't even bother reading the quests in that anymore because it makes no difference